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what is the right choice? - 2/15/2006 10:55:32 AM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		A Gorean Master and slave both need the exact same medical procedure done. There is only enough money for the procedure to be done on one of them.

Who should have the procedure done the Master or the slave?

If the procedure was life threatening would it change your answer?


I hope to hear from Free and slaves alike because I am wondering if I am way off base in my thinking.

thanks!
kisshou
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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/15/2006 11:24:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kisshou

A Gorean Master and slave both need the exact same medical procedure done. There is only enough money for the procedure to be done on one of them.

Who should have the procedure done the Master or the slave?



Howdy :)

I think it depends on what the procedure is, why it is needed, who would benefit the most/least, etc.

I think it also depends on the individual owner's choice. Within that relationship, it is his choice.

quote:

If the procedure was life threatening would it change your answer?


Probably not because my answer is that it is subjective. I don't have enough information to figure it out.

Also, if the "condition" itself is life threatening, I would think that money wouldn't be an issue and that something could be worked out with health care providers so they could both be taken care of.

I wish I had a more definitive answer for you but the details are just too sketchy.

Well wishes,

Cav's ally



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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/15/2006 11:26:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		My nature and personality will order others to have treatment first irrespective of the dangers if it is deemed a necessary proceedure (First in a firefight and last out; get all the wounded out first and come back for me.) It goes with the Command Territory. If you talk of cosmetic surgery, I'd need justification for it to happen.

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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/15/2006 11:43:16 AM   
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Masters decision. I trusted enough to give my life over to His complete control. This would not be anytime or any reason for me to then question that.


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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/15/2006 1:43:59 PM   
pinioned14Me


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Status: offline 		Woudn't it come down to only the Masters decision?

The One is Master because They have taken the responsibility for the other....They care, discipline and guide and as a result decide.

...and I agree that a life or death scenario for both at the same time would be responded to by medical personel.

Not the answers you may have sought but you asked for E/everyones thoughts.

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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/15/2006 2:32:52 PM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		Thank you Master IronBear for your definative answer. I really appreciate it and am hoping you could explain what you mean "goes with the command territory".

Thank you to the girls who have already answered. I know that it is the Owners decision. In this case they both need the same procedure, but one can have it now and be restored to 100 % health while the other will have to wait six months. So who do you think should have the procedure done first? I guess because in my mind I keep thinking on one hand he is responsible so should have it done on her first but on the other hand it is more important for his health to be restored to 100 percent first, since he is the one in charge.

I hope this makes more sense but if not let me know and I will try to clarify.


well wishes
kisshou

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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/15/2006 3:17:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		theorhetically i would say it's the owner's decision. now hopefully he will make the wisest one. i would like to think that the only way i'd oppose his decision would be if it would impact any children involved. for example: if making his slave wait and perhaps endangering her health even more than it already is ... and she has children (assuming he's not the father) ... then his decision will effect the children in that they might lost their mother.

that's an extreme example, of course.

i think slaves are so quick to say that every decision, even life threatening ones, are up to their Master. and i don't mean to sound like i'm judging or making rash assumptions ... but i have to wonder ... what would they really do, especially if their were children involved.

i mean, less face it ... Owners are just people too, right? and they make mistakes. i think it's important ... even for slaves ... to watch out for their best interest and that of their children.

humbly,
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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/15/2006 4:04:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

Thank you Master IronBear for your definative answer. I really appreciate it and am hoping you could explain what you mean "goes with the command territory".


well wishes
kisshou


Simple kisshou lass, If it is good enough to cave command over troops in a combat zone, then it is good enough to be first out of the choppers or out of the trenches/foxholes/bunkers and last to leave the field making sure all your girls and guys are clear and no one is left behind. More a matter of principle and honour than text book. I never could lead from the rear, I kept getting lost and prefered to be up near the front. Funny I was always in deep shit for doing this and the more weight I carried rank wise the more they wanted me to keep back....I hope that clears that up sweet of not let me know.

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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/15/2006 6:21:44 PM   
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quote:

i think slaves are so quick to say that every decision, even life threatening ones, are up to their Master. and i don't mean to sound like i'm judging or making rash assumptions ... but i have to wonder ... what would they really do, especially if their were children involved.


It is easy to say that because it's to the point. Yes Master makes mistakes because He is human to. That aspect wasn't something unknown before making that last choice to give up control to Him. All those things come into play..His feelings of responsibility, Trust, Honor, dependability, putting others before Himself, self sacrificing. This list could go on and on you see :)..but it was easier to just say: It is His decision.

Hope that helps some

starshine
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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/15/2006 6:40:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kisshou
...but on the other hand it is more important for his health to be restored to 100 percent first, since he is the one in charge.


This actually makes perfect sense to me.

In our household, my owner gets fed first. History shows us that the man of the house usually ate first. It wasn't for any other reason than this: He was the one to whom everyone in the household relied on in order for their basic needs to be met, therefore if he did not eat, they, in the future, would not be able to eat. It was sort of a primitive insurance policy. *grin*

In an airplane, when the oxygen masks drop down, they tell you to put yours on before putting on the child's mask. This isn't because you are more important than the child but rather if you don't get your oxygen in time, you'll be unconscious and unable to help your child.

There are numerous reasons on either side of the coin and I can see the value in each.

I think, though, that again it depends on the details of the situation. Why is the procedure necessary and what type of procedure it is among other things. In this household, my owner would most likely weigh out all of the details, find out which solution had a greater benefit to all people involved, and then decide from there.

Well wishes,

Cav's ally


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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/16/2006 3:32:46 AM   
sunshine333


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Status: offline 		hi starshine,
i just wanted to point out that my comment was in no way directed personally toward anyone. it was a very general comment and my guess is you've most likely run into the same girls as i have. ;) you know the ones ...

they meet a Man online then have an amazingly hot sexual weekend with him ... and in the heat of passion he slaps some dime store velcro collar around her neck ... shazamm! he owns her ... her life is in his hands. ... chuckles ... and then ... she signs up on collarme in order to post and make friends. and she finds her way to these gorean boards, and because she read a chapter or two of slave girl of gor ... she is suddenly gorean. and THEN ... grins ... she posts on a thread such as this stating that "the choice would be Master's, of course."

that was meant to be humorous ... but i think you get my point. ;)

~sunshine

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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/16/2006 4:02:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Take the money, hire a good lawyer, and sue our insurance providers.

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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/16/2006 5:43:06 AM   
starshineowned


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quote:

that was meant to be humorous ... but i think you get my point. ;)



Indeed I do sunshine, and that was a fair assessment and remindedly good point to bring up. Guess the part of it that I differ in..is I don't consider those velco types as slaves..but players.

Was just a good point ya brought forth, and I wanted to expound on..so thankyou. :)

starshine
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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/17/2006 12:15:05 PM   
kisshou


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ORIGINAL: krys

Take the money, hire a good lawyer, and sue our insurance providers.


yeah I hear you krys! I for one and am all for socialized medicine.

Thank you for sharing your brilliance ally by hitting the nail on the head and so eloquently explaining both sides of the coin.


It was interesting to note that the only responder that had a definate choice was a Free Person.

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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/18/2006 8:30:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		i thought about these questions and as many say, it is the Man's decision, if a slave trusts a Man enough to beg his collar, why wouldn't she trust him to make the "right" decision. But then you have to define what is right to a Gorean Man, many times it may not be what the slave agrees with. To some it would mean making the decision on what will be the easiest to deal with in his life, to others it would be caring more about the slave than himeself, to others it would be she is just a possession, i come first because i don't want to hurt anymore, i want to be healthy. She can wait for all of that. I also agree that if it was lifethreatening insurance may take care of it.... unless you are talking the extreme. I would think no matter which decision he would make it wouldn't be easy one for him, so the best thing i could do or at least try to do, is accept it with understanding that he is deciding what he feels is best. Which isn't always easy, but its decisions like this that make one realize the aspect of the reality of being slave, you abide by his decisions when that decision is final -- no more discussion.

i hope all is well with you and your Master if this question was a question close to home, i would not envy a Man having to make a decision such as this or the slave having to abide by a decision she wishes was different.


the question i am would also wonder about: Your question but not between the Master and slave but between His FC and his slave; or between two slaves owned.

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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/18/2006 9:33:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The right choice depends on the dynamic.

Does one or the other party provide the primary income and fiscal balance for the household? Would this surgery impact his or her ability to do so? Is the stability of the submissive member dependent on the strength of the dominant member? Will having/not having the procedure leave the dominant member weak, and will this weakness have the effect of destabilizing the submissive member? Will having one or the other treated -now- ease the way for treatment and care of the other at a later date? Far too many questions to be answered thoroughly in any meaningful way by any but the individuals involved.

If the procedure is life-threatening, technically both parties could get it, because even in a "for profit" medical center, life-threatening medical situations -must- be stabilized, and transfer made to a facility that does not require insurance/deals with indigent care... so the issue of who gets a life-threatening medical procedure dealt with if both need it but only one can be paid for is irrelevant.

In our household, the Owners would decide who would get an optional procedure, if multiple members of the household needed it. We are a conclave, and the decision would weigh whether or not there was a medical reason for one to get it above the other, the fiscal situation in the household, and all of the above issues. A decision would be levied and the appropriate individual would be sent to begin treatment. (On the other hand, we are not technically Gorean, as a matriarchally - run household, by necessity, and we try not to get ourselves -into- situations like this. We keep our own priest-healers on-site, and try to have an accurate assessment of the medical condition and insurance status of everyone in our household, so we don't get pushed into corners like this.)

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kisshou

A Gorean Master and slave both need the exact same medical procedure done. There is only enough money for the procedure to be done on one of them.

Who should have the procedure done the Master or the slave?

If the procedure was life threatening would it change your answer?


I hope to hear from Free and slaves alike because I am wondering if I am way off base in my thinking.

thanks!
kisshou


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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/18/2006 12:59:08 PM   
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quote:

Who should have the procedure done the Master or the slave?


If the procedure was necessary for quality of life. The slave first.

quote:

If the procedure was life threatening would it change your answer?


No , it reinforces it. She is MY responsibility. I am charged with her well being, not her, mine. It is my responsibility to ensure her safety and health. Get her fixed FIRST, I/we will be ok and our risk, if any is assumed. Like Ironbear, it comes with the territory

The only exception I can think of, is if the "problem" was disabling to the point to where if I did NOT have the procedure, it would hamper my ability to provide. If this had to be done to ensure my ability/mobility to continue working and providing, then I'd do it first to ensure I can continue on.



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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/18/2006 6:51:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		This may sound to simple but

Whatever the Owner chooses is the right way to go about it, unquestionably.

To the second question....No my answer would not change.

with respect,
fawn

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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/20/2006 9:38:02 PM   
GingerleeDREAD


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quote:

what is the right choice

As the One in charge Ill tell you what My * right choice* would be.........

Either its Us both or Neither of Us period. No choices no right nor wrong choice, We commited to each other as Owner and slave and thats what it will be till the end one way together or the other.


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RE: what is the right choice? - 2/20/2006 10:22:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

My nature and personality will order others to have treatment first irrespective of the dangers if it is deemed a necessary proceedure (First in a firefight and last out; get all the wounded out first and come back for me.) It goes with the Command Territory. If you talk of cosmetic surgery, I'd need justification for it to happen.





Amen, Brother. I was about to respond until I read your reply, nothing more need be said.

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