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Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 10:27:34 AM   
ShivaTS


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Status: offline 		This is a 2 part question. I have been thinking about making changes in the place I sleep to reflect who I am now or rather who I am becoming. My car is old and broke down month ago. I am still waiting on the part for it, therefore I decided to start looking for a new car. I started thinking yesterday about my finances and ownership of possessions and now wonder if it would be a good idea now. For one, as a slave I shouldnt own anything. Second reason, would be putting myself into more debt when really I should be working to pay off my debt so I will be ready for when a Master wishes to take ownership of me.

The second question I have, Ive been wanting to get a new bedroom set, again spending money when I should be paying off my debts. Ive also though about how I should be living as a slave, I will not have a big soft bed. I have been thinking I should buy a thin foam mattress and simply lay it on the floor. I can hang a simple mirror and get some shelves to store my things so they are not hidden to anyone therefore they would not be considered possessions.

Any other ideas?
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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 10:37:12 AM   
mirya


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Status: offline 		I think you have a kind of skewed idea of being kajira.

Voluntary simlicity is great, but does not a kajira (or Gorean) make.... Do you have an owner to discuss this with? I tend to think you're starting to roleplay Gor as described in the books, and the window-trappings are not an indicator... Not to mention, unless you *have* an owner to be responsible for the bills, etc, "not having possessions" is...umm... kinda impossible? Unless one wishes to sleep in a shelter, I suppose?

just my opinion

~mirya

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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 11:42:14 AM   
ShivaTS


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Status: offline 		Im sorry for not being clear. I am not kajira. I am unowned and I inspire to be a slave. It may be a simple bdsm slave but hopefully my Master will be Gorean. Either way, this wont be a simple role play. This will be a lifestyle change not a role play because I do wish to be a slave.

Yes I am F*CKED up, lol

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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 12:09:43 PM   
allyC


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Status: offline 		Hello there.


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShivaTS

This is a 2 part question. I have been thinking about making changes in the place I sleep to reflect who I am now or rather who I am becoming. My car is old and broke down month ago. I am still waiting on the part for it, therefore I decided to start looking for a new car. I started thinking yesterday about my finances and ownership of possessions and now wonder if it would be a good idea now. For one, as a slave I shouldnt own anything. Second reason, would be putting myself into more debt when really I should be working to pay off my debt so I will be ready for when a Master wishes to take ownership of me.

The second question I have, Ive been wanting to get a new bedroom set, again spending money when I should be paying off my debts. Ive also though about how I should be living as a slave, I will not have a big soft bed. I have been thinking I should buy a thin foam mattress and simply lay it on the floor. I can hang a simple mirror and get some shelves to store my things so they are not hidden to anyone therefore they would not be considered possessions.

Any other ideas?


If you are unowned, then you govern yourself. You decide if you will or will not own a car, sleep in a bed, etc. None of these things will make you more or less of a slave.

It isn't until you become owned that any of this should come into play and then, it is up to the owner as to where you sleep, what you drive, etc. My owner allows me to sleep in his bed. Some owners do not.

In my opinion, being a slave isn't about depriving yourself of worldly goods - it is about surrender, enslavement, and mastery.

Personally, I'd focus on paying off debts but that's just me. If I were seeking an M/s relationship, I would feel much better entering into a relationship debt free rather than with a laundry-list of creditors if that makes sense. If I were seeking a slave, I think I'd rather have one with no debts rather than one with no bed! *grins*

-Cav's ally

P.S. Hidden items are still possessions. =)

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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 12:28:08 PM   
slavejali


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Status: offline 		ShivaTS,

Thoughts of ownership come in all sorts of forms, not just through material objects. We think we are the "doers" in very subtle ways in life claiming ownership of thoughts and feelings and all kindsa things. Just getting rid of thoughts like "me, I and mine" can be a freeing experience. You can do this with no money, or lotsa money, you can do this with no "things" or lotsa "things". Do we ever really own anything in life? When we realise the answer to that question, we can just live each day, dealing with what the day gives us in the most productive way we can. Doing the jobs we need to do, paying our bills, learning new stuff, enjoying life.

Kinda funny how a realisation thats so freeing can actually make you a better potential slave *grin*.


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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 12:45:14 PM   
starshineowned


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Status: offline 		Greetings..~smiles~

I've read some of your posts now Shiva, and the only thing that really pops into my head is that you seem to assume that being treated like shit is the normal in order to be a good slave or a slave at all. I'm not sure if this is maybe stemming from your past bad experiences with users or if infact that sort of life is what you really seek to be happy.

Agreed with the other posters so far. I'd concentrate on getting rid of the debt first but in a comfortable manner so that your present life doesn't have to suffer drastically.

Leave your sufferage to a future Owner. :)

starshine
Happy slave of Master Delvin

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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 1:06:08 PM   
JohnWarren


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quote:

ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Leave your sufferage to a future Owner. :)


I have a friend with a great saying. "I don't want him on his knees; I want to put him on this knees."

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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 1:19:36 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		Most doms prefer subs who will make their life easier- having to cart you around and be dependent on public transportation schedules won't do that. Having a car gives you assets to GIVE to whoever you are involved with.

Why do you think you shouldn't own anything? Obviously when you get into a relationship, ownership can easily be transferred. But until then, whether you own something or not is up to you.

As far as debt, yes that can be a good reason to hold off on buying a new car, but that's nothing to do with being in a Ds relationship.

If you want to go spartan, go spartan. Foam mattress? Try just a reed mat. Make up a room that is full of luxury that you can give to whoever you end up in a relationship with (which hopefully will not be for quite some time now), and live in your spartan area.



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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 1:48:50 PM   
ShivaTS


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Status: offline 		Thank you LuckyAlbatross. This (gurl) didnt think of it that way. If this (gurl) is giving herself to a Master(s)/Mistress(es) then it makes sense all things I use would be his/hers.

This feels weird to refer to ones self without refering to ones self. I hope this (gurl) got it right.

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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 2:50:10 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShivaTS

Thank you LuckyAlbatross. This (gurl) didnt think of it that way. If this (gurl) is giving herself to a Master(s)/Mistress(es) then it makes sense all things I use would be his/hers.

This feels weird to refer to ones self without refering to ones self. I hope this (gurl) got it right.

The question is- why have you chosen to refer to yourself in this way? What does it do for you?

Are you really thinking about these ideas for yourself or just grabbing onto any idea of submission that you get?

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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 3:24:50 PM   
ShivaTS


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Status: offline 		If you would like, maybe you can find an answer to the question in health and safety forum.

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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 4:14:32 PM   
Webmaster60


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quote:

This is a 2 part question


slave
I think your attempt to get in a headspace of not having anything is well intended just ill placed. As stated.. the more accomplished you are in life, the more value you have to a potential owner. The higher you climb the more value added to your neck.

As long as you can "step down" when it comes time to beg a collar, and you undertand that Master will decide 'all', then this will be in order.


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speak makes cowards of men"

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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 4:45:17 PM   
krys


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShivaTS

For one, as a slave I shouldnt own anything.

Ive also though about how I should be living as a slave, I will not have a big soft bed.


The key to your confusion lies in those two statements. What you are failing to understand is that, as a slave, what should be won't be up to you. Third person speech and sleeping on the floor are not what makes a kajira.

My idea is that you worry less about the trappings and be who you are. From your posts, you seem to be smack in the middle of frenzy and approaching doormat at terminal velocity.

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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 5:29:15 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		shiva, from what i have read about you, you seem to be trying to create the slave. You can't. The Master creates the slave because its his preferences he will be molding you within, not what you think is slave. Until you are owned the only thing you need to do is take care of your Master's property. Your trying to create the slave you think your future master will want you to be may in fact be causing him more work because he will have to break you of any bad habits he doesn't like and undo that which you created -- its not wise to try and make decisions for your Master. As many are saying, its not up to you to decide as a slave what you will be to a Man. Slave is reaction to mastery. The slave reacts to the Master which is how its suppose to be. The Master doesn't react to the slave, which is what you are implying when you try and create what you think slave should be. Most Gorean Men i know enjoy interesting witty happy girls.

You have recognized slave, you have decided to improve upon some things in your life you feel can use impriovement, you have identified the focus of your slavery (you wish to be owned by a Gorean Man), have faith in yourself because of who you are, not who you THINK they want -- because you will probably be wrong much of the time... and... most importantly relax. The Man will take care of the rest, when He owns you, you will simply become His slave.

These are just my thoughts on what you have written here and other places, you are basically in my opinion, trying to hard. Slave is a natural, let it happen.

angel

(i ask people call me angel or barelynangel -- please don't call me barely. Thanks)

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RE: Changing to fit my new lifestyle - 2/16/2006 5:51:16 PM   
ShivaTS


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Status: offline 		Thank you Sir for your advised and to all who have contributed. Alittle information of past experience has been placed on Health and safety for your reading so you may better understand the "why".

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