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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 4:02:29 PM   
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Regardless of urban legend you can't "look" at a person and tell if they have an STD.



DO WHAT!?!?

I have never heard of this legend. My cousin's husband died couple days ago from Aids (acquired during surgery years ago from bad blood)... up until 6 months ago... there was no way of looking at him and being able to tell he has Aids.

I always did find it funny how oral sex was performed by both parties... but the use of a condom was required because of fear of STD.




You mis-read what I said. The urban legend is that you can LOOK at someone and tell if they have an STD or are "sick". As we all know this legend is complete crap...thus my point,

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 4:30:41 PM   
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At a recent lifestyle event a group of us began discussing fluid bonding. Now I know that this is a topic more suited for the health and safety board, but I think that a great number of people here don't pay much attention to that board and this is just too important to ignore. If the Mods wish to move it I will understand but I just wanted this to be discussed by as many as possible.

I was astonished to find out the misconceptions that are out there regarding fluid bonding and safe sex...even in a community that is "supposed" to be more knowledgable on matters concerning sex.

Well, over half the men thought that it is perfectly safe to get a blow job with no protection....and almost all of the men thought that deep kissing is completely safe. A good number of men also thought that cunnilingus is safe with no protection. Most of the women however, had a very good understanding of safe sex practices and risks.

I was really shocked by this as many of these people are in poly situations that are not of the monagamous poly variety.

So...what are your thoughts? Do you think it's ok to get an unprotected blow job...or eat an unprotected pussy....and then put on your condom for intercourse and think you are safe?



i have a good friend who works at the UWM and they did a quite extensive study on stds specifically targeting hiv so i will pass on what she told me and you can all take it from there.

She said: you can cut your self, pour aids infested solution over the cut and you will not get aids. However, should you stop bleeding now you can get aids.

She said you are less susceptable kissing but it is possible "if you do enough of it" and your system may be down. meaning you would never get a flu if your system were never down.

She said: fluids that come into contact with the thin membraned skin on a person are absorbed.

what this means is that a women can get aids if the man going down on her has it.

a man can get if the person sucking him has it. a man can get it if he is uncut and the person just sucks there.

The more frequent is the contact with an infected person the more likely one wil get it.

However: It only takes once!

lastly a 20% clorine bleach and water mixture literally kills anything including hiv and works good for toys.

i only do fluid exchange if both myself and her decide to go exclusive after getting tested.

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 4:39:09 PM   
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First I want to say Great new profile pic to Sensualips! Hottie!!!

ok, now to fluid exchange...hummmmmmmmmm, umm, I didn't think in the age of HIV/AIDS that any adults would be so irresponsible. But we do also live in a time where it's not only acceptable to be irresponsible and stupid, but we reward people for it. Remeber the woman that sued McDonald's for hot coffee that she spilled on herself, and at least in the initial court proceeding, WON.

It's unfortunate that some think they are invincible. "It won't happen to me" is, to some, a valid reason not to protect themselves and their partners.

In this lifestyle we can be exposed to a multitude of bodily fluids. It behooves those of us that would like to live a long and healthy life to be aware of how communicable diseases are contracted and spread, and act in such a manner as to be cautious and safe.

Having unprotected sex (oral, vaginal, or anal) or playing in anyway that exposes you to bodily excretions without proper precautions and protection is akin to playing with an unknown partner with no limits or safewords.

I exchange bodily fluids with only my SO. Which means in most cases when playing with subs I have to hold myself back, a lot. Because I love to bite and when I see those red welts where the blood is gathering under the most thin layer of skin just waiting to be let out, I REALLY want to go and suck really hard on it...but I can't...OK< that may just have been TMI..oh well.


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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 5:51:46 PM   
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Hmm… If it takes seminal fluid for conception, then lack of seminal fluid implies misconception?

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So...what are your thoughts? Do you think it's ok to get an unprotected blow job...or eat an unprotected pussy....and then put on your condom for intercourse and think you are safe?


At one time, researchers believed it was not possible to transfer HIV via fellatio. They eventually turned up a case that I believe was reported in JAMA ages ago. It's not common, but it can happen. Presumably the same thing would be more or less true of cunnilingus.

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 6:17:28 PM   
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Geez.......a number of years ago, I was the director in an AIDS organization. Now, we all worry most about that, but, in the time it takes for AIDS infected blood to dry, the virus is almost dead.....by 8 minutes after, you can be sure it is. HOWEVER, Hepatitis is far more infectious. It is easily transmitted by kissing (which AIDS isn't) and is currently, more deadly. Hepatitis infected blood will still be infectious at least a day after it the blood has dried.

Now, forgetting blood, ANY exchange of fluid can be deadly! There is risky play and there is stupidity. Getting tested every six months is a must if You do not stick with one play partner. And, you might not test positive the first time for an STD if it was very close to the blood test.

So, the accepted standard of safety is: NO exchange of bodily fluids between two people until at least 6 months have passed, playing with one partner only, and both people have tested negative for all diseases. Up until then, kissing is a risk. So anything more than that is a risk too. Dental Dams, Finger Cots and Condoms may not be sexy, but disease isn't sexy either. Both Hepatitis and AIDS are nasty ways of going. And, whoever said AIDS isn't deadly anymore should talk to me about the kids that have been born with this 20 years ago and are still dying. It may be more manageable, for a longer period of time, but you really, really don't want to mess with this stuff.

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 7:05:52 PM   
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Ok, now I am a bit freaked out. I guess no more cunnilingous from the kitty. He's done it to me twice. I was under the impression, that because supposedly no cases of lesbians getting AIDS from each other by eating each other out, had turned up, that I would be safe there. Figured, it only happened via taking in male cum. He is supposedly clean, but I know he is active with other people.

Kissing can pass STDs?! I knew it would pass something like Mono, but STDs? I can't think about giving up kissing with skunk. I love skunk! Him and I are soon to get tested because we want to share fluids.

I have a bit of a blood fetish, and it is the transmission of microbes that has me too afriad to do it. (I want to beat and be beaten to blood, play with it, injest it etc.)



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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 9:39:13 PM   
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Hate to break it to you but herpes can be easily passed via the mouth.

Most people have some version of herpes. Many are just carriers. I believe however that no matter which version of herpes that you have if you are having an outbreak as in a cold sore in or around the mouth you can indeed transmit that to the genital area. I had a friend as a little girl that had whichever herpes isn't located in the genitial areas but she had to be VERY careful to not spread it when it broke out on her face and I was also cautioned to be careful as well when visiting her during an outbreak.

For me fluid bonding is allowing the passage of boldily fluids - ANY bodily fluids to merge and mingle with bodily fluids of another person.

It also means when I say I am fluid bonded at this time to one person only - that ALL fluids remain with ONLY that person if I can help it. That means no kissing, no squirting tears into another person's eyes (lol), doing snot play, no hocking loogies or any spit play, no piss or shit play (okay so shit ain't fluid - or shouldn't be, but ya get the drift you smartasses you LOL), no blood mingling, no sex, no sexual excertions mingling with any of my bodily fluids.

It means exactly what it says - no bodily fluids mixing with anyone that I have not decided to be fluid bonded to.

And yes if I decide to kiss someone - I have decided to be fluid bonded on the spit-swapping level to that person I am kissing.

My two cents on it anyway.

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 9:42:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
I was really shocked by this as many of these people are in poly situations that are not of the monagamous poly variety.

So...what are your thoughts? Do you think it's ok to get an unprotected blow job...or eat an unprotected pussy....and then put on your condom for intercourse and think you are safe?

As someone in an open poly relationship in which all members are allowed to have any form of spontaneous sex with any and all partners they choose, my answer is that as adults we need to be as educated as possible and decide what risks are ok with ourselves.

Since my partners and I all agree on the same risks- we're happy. Yes, we know the risks, we know the dangers. And we accept certain ones as reasonable and certain ones as unreasonable. If someone else considers our limits unreasonable, then we simply don't play together. It's that simple.

Safe is a misnomer- it's ALL risky. You have to decide what risks are reasonable for your life.

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 9:44:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva

Hate to break it to you but herpes can be easily passed via the mouth.

Most people have some version of herpes. Many are just carriers. I believe however that no matter which version of herpes that you have if you are having an outbreak as in a cold sore in or around the mouth you can indeed transmit that to the genital area. I had a friend as a little girl that had whichever herpes isn't located in the genitial areas but she had to be VERY careful to not spread it when it broke out on her face and I was also cautioned to be careful as well when visiting her during an outbreak.

For me fluid bonding is allowing the passage of boldily fluids - ANY bodily fluids to merge and mingle with bodily fluids of another person.

It also means when I say I am fluid bonded at this time to one person only - that ALL fluids remain with ONLY that person if I can help it. That means no kissing, no squirting tears into another person's eyes (lol), doing snot play, no hocking loogies or any spit play, no piss or shit play (okay so shit ain't fluid - or shouldn't be, but ya get the drift you smartasses you LOL), no blood mingling, no sex, no sexual excertions mingling with any of my bodily fluids.

It means exactly what it says - no bodily fluids mixing with anyone that I have not decided to be fluid bonded to.

And yes if I decide to kiss someone - I have decided to be fluid bonded on the spit-swapping level to that person I am kissing.

My two cents on it anyway.


That was awesome. :D

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 9:57:36 PM   
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Lol...believe it or not several men SAID that they could tell if a pussy is sick by looking at it. One even said that he only will go down on pussies that are completely pink...he said that if there was any tan or brown around the edges of the lips it means the pussy is either dirty, infected or just getting old. I almost fell out of my chair.


Sounds like you almost fell off a rock in a cave to me.

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 10:26:20 PM   
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ShadeDiva gets my respect.

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Kissing can pass STDs?! I knew it would pass something like Mono, but STDs? I can't think about giving up kissing with skunk. I love skunk! Him and I are soon to get tested because we want to share fluids.


Herpes (not counting shingles and other varieties) are classified as type I and II depending on whether it was oral or genital. They discovered, of course, that oral herbes was not limited to the mouth and genital was not limited to the genitals.

I have an RN friend who says most things could be cured by a little bleach, but I haven't yet asked how you bleach your partners. Well, okay, Paril Hilton is bleached, but you know what I mean.

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/19/2006 10:33:48 PM   
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...A brave soul.


I wouldn't classify myself as brave, but I wouldn't classify myself as careless or ignorant either. The issue is realistically looking at risks based on my partners and activities and making sure all involved are aware and open.

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/20/2006 1:15:29 AM   
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no piss or shit play (okay so shit ain't fluid - or shouldn't be, but ya get the drift you smartasses you LOL),



Thanks for the 1am burst of laughter

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/20/2006 4:22:45 AM   
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Great topic. I also agree it should not be moved elsewhere.

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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs
To me fluid bonding means no kissing, no unprotected oral sex (flavored condoms for blow jobs and saran wrap or dental dams for cunninglinguis). It literally means to me that there is a barrier for any fluids.


Barrier protection is great every time it works and meaningless every time it fails. I have a "Pro" friend that has become pregnant twice in the last year from protected sex with client/strangers. She reports no unusual situations like condom slippage or breakage. She just got pregnant even though she used condoms with spermicide. And if one can get pregnant even while being "careful" imagine what else one can get: AIDS, HPV, Herpes, etc. Conclusion: barrier sex is no protection at all really.

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ORIGINAL: amayos
I myself am extremely paranoid about STDs, and a full blood screening is mandatory before I'll even care to beat you.


Same here. You make other excellent points also.

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ORIGINAL: proudsub
...it is transmitted by genital skin contact and although condoms may help they won't prevent it.


Close, but not quite right. It is transmitted by skin to skin contact in the main, and it is even possible to transmit it via soiled clothing (although there are essentially no such reported cases). There are 65+ varieties of HPV and few are specific to the genitals. You can get them all over. So that may put a new spin on those sexless grope sessions. It might also add to your reasons for wanting to limit the number of partners that share the same play toys.

There are also at least several other skin ailments which are not fully understood in terms of their causes and for which there is no cure. Dandruff is poorly understood and not curable. It is thought not to be contagious, but what does that really mean? It's not high on my list of possible worries, but it's worth noting in terms of the things modern science and medicine can do nothing about.

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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
Remeber the woman that sued McDonald's for hot coffee that she spilled on herself, and at least in the initial court proceeding, WON.


Please do not mindlessly pass on misinformation if you can avoid it.

...

McFact No. 1: For years, McDonald's had known they had a problem with the way they make their coffee - that their coffee was served much hotter (at least 20 degrees more so) than at other restaurants.

McFact No. 2: McDonald's knew its coffee sometimes caused serious injuries - more than 700 incidents of scalding coffee burns in the past decade have been settled by the Corporation - and yet they never so much as consulted a burn expert regarding the issue.

McFact No. 3: The woman involved in this infamous case suffered very serious injuries - third degree burns on her groin, thighs and buttocks that required skin grafts and a seven-day hospital stay.

Source: http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm

...

Applying the principles of comparative liability, the jury found that McDonald's was 80% responsible for the incident and Liebeck was 20% at fault. Though there was a warning on the coffee cup, the jury decided that the warning was neither large enough nor sufficient. They awarded Liebeck US$200,000 in compensatory damages, which was then reduced by 20% to US$160,000. In addition, they awarded her US$2.7 million in punitive damages.

However, the judge reduced punitive damages to US$480,000; thus Liebeck was awarded US$640,000 in total. Both McDonald's and Liebeck appealed, and in December 1994, the two came to a confidential settlement, the amount of which is secret, but is believed to be approximately equal to the amount of the final judgment.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_coffee_case



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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/20/2006 6:22:19 AM   
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I think there are two aspects to this question: the first is knowledge and information and the second is acceptable risk. Obviously there were people you were speaking with who were woefully mis/uneducated about STDs. However, I think that if someone is educated in the risks then it is up to them to decide what is an acceptable level of risk for them. Everyone's risk tolerance is different. IMO, it's more a matter of finding a partner who's acceptable level of risk aligns with your own. I'm a big believer in giving people information and then letting them make their own decisions based on that information.

...and on a totally different topic...

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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Please do not mindlessly pass on misinformation if you can avoid it.



Phew! I thought I was going to have to dig up all this info again. I don't know how many times I've had to post what you did because someone was passing on misinformation again. While I think taking hot coffee and putting it between your legs when you're driving is just plain stupid, the thing I find most interesting is that initially she was asking for just enough money to cover her hospital costs (in the vacinity of $20K if I recall correctly) but McDonald's refused even though they knew there was a problem with their coffee. IMO, they got what they deserved in the end.

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/20/2006 12:26:55 PM   
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I hope you are kidding when you say you thought it only came from males. no offense but that's really ignorant. Also if you're french kissing you're already started sharing fluids. spit from french kissing is shareing fluids.
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Figured, it only happened via taking in male cum. He is supposedly clean, but I know he is active with other people.


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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/20/2006 12:29:13 PM   
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It is interesting that you should post this particular topic. This past weekend I took the house to the Lupercalia event here in Edmonton. It's a very well organized Educational and Social event.

One of the lectures I took my house to was with very specific regards to STI "Sexual Transmitted Infections" For me personally, Much of it was already understood and known to me, but it was an opportunity to validate my knowledge once again from a Educated Professional in the Health Field.

For me personally, I truly feel that understanding the whole gamut of STI's is an important consideration with regards to this lifestyle. Particular for relationships that are not monogamus! However, even these individuals would benefit from such education. What risks of transmission that can occur with specific Infections would be an important consideration... sex is not the only means of transmission that can occur.

Understand the risks of your Health!

Bravo for bringing an excellent topic to the boards!

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/20/2006 12:37:16 PM   
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First I want to say Great new profile pic to Sensualips! Hottie!!!




I agree... My whole family absolutely love Sensualips new pic... very beautiful!

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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/20/2006 12:38:48 PM   
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Geez.......a number of years ago, I was the director in an AIDS organization. Now, we all worry most about that, but, in the time it takes for AIDS infected blood to dry, the virus is almost dead.....by 8 minutes after, you can be sure it is. HOWEVER, Hepatitis is far more infectious. It is easily transmitted by kissing (which AIDS isn't) and is currently, more deadly. Hepatitis infected blood will still be infectious at least a day after it the blood has dried.

Now, forgetting blood, ANY exchange of fluid can be deadly! There is risky play and there is stupidity. Getting tested every six months is a must if You do not stick with one play partner. And, you might not test positive the first time for an STD if it was very close to the blood test.

So, the accepted standard of safety is: NO exchange of bodily fluids between two people until at least 6 months have passed, playing with one partner only, and both people have tested negative for all diseases. Up until then, kissing is a risk. So anything more than that is a risk too. Dental Dams, Finger Cots and Condoms may not be sexy, but disease isn't sexy either. Both Hepatitis and AIDS are nasty ways of going. And, whoever said AIDS isn't deadly anymore should talk to me about the kids that have been born with this 20 years ago and are still dying. It may be more manageable, for a longer period of time, but you really, really don't want to mess with this stuff.




i personally get tested a minimum of once per year regardless if i change partners, and i donate whole blood where in my area they call you if there is a problem.

the local hiv testing clinic state in testing interviews that its 99.7% accurate in 3 months since last fluid exchange, and 99.97% accurate in 6 months. Which is to say the minimum incubation time for hiv is roughly 3 months and as you said 6 months to be reasonably sure.

Does this concur with you or differ with your standards? If it differs and you have info on it i would appreciate it as i will be going in soon for mine and would pass it on to them.

One thing comes to mind that i hope you will speak to as well, urine play. many think it is safe.



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RE: Fluid Bonding and misconceptions. - 2/20/2006 4:23:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Great topic. I also agree it should not be moved elsewhere.

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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs
To me fluid bonding means no kissing, no unprotected oral sex (flavored condoms for blow jobs and saran wrap or dental dams for cunninglinguis). It literally means to me that there is a barrier for any fluids.


Barrier protection is great every time it works and meaningless every time it fails. I have a "Pro" friend that has become pregnant twice in the last year from protected sex with client/strangers. She reports no unusual situations like condom slippage or breakage. She just got pregnant even though she used condoms with spermicide. And if one can get pregnant even while being "careful" imagine what else one can get: AIDS, HPV, Herpes, etc. Conclusion: barrier sex is no protection at all really.


For someone who likes facts I'm really surprised. When used properly, condoms are highly effective (the rates I've seen easily go into 90%).

Frankly for her to get pregnant once and not reconsider what she was doing or the appropriate level of protection doesn't sound terribly professional to me. People get pregnant and contract diseases while using condoms mostly because they aren't using them properly, not because condoms have a high failure rate.

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