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ORIGINAL: kianiZ

greetings tazzy:

Clear? Sure thing no problem. Sounds like you needed to say what you said to get your 2 cents in the barrage of criticism with the much to do about nothing of your business or anyone else for that fact. Whew…kiani sure has learned that what most do with her words here are rip them to shreds for their own personal satisfaction. Makes no sense at all. There are better things to do than to rip and shred with critical words and hateful cutting forceful remarks.

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kiani only hopes you feel better now having said what you believed you needed to say then had the audacity to publicly correct kiani. Like you hold the reigns on how to speak as a “slave” and kiani is just a stupid shuffling fool, so you better teach her. Not so tazzy. Don’t get confused by the term “slave.“ This does not mean that kiani is “slave to a slave” nor a stupid shuffling fool.

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Tazzy your words come across sharp, cutting, hurtful and critical. On another note if you wrote of devotion and love for your Master then kiani would applaud this for both of you. And so say in a post. she would not rip your words to get points here with the other “slaves’ like went on here. Totally immature. Again makes no sense why there is just gainsaying and cutting remarks. The true meaning to others was defiled in their own minds. That is sad to kiani. Not because it changes the beauty between of this love that she shares with her Master because it does not. Instead because love is to be celebrated. It is the highest expression a “slave” can give her Master. But when expressed here then it is defiled and twisted. So sad, so very sad.

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So that you’re clearer than sunlight streaming through the skyline understand that it is none of your business about the details of kainis' personal life in service to Master. So don’t’ make it a habit of prying into the personal business that is between kiani and her Master. Meaning demanding that kiani explains here words she wrote to you or to anyone. she explained enough and that is all she will say. Believe it or not. Nor does she care for you to tell her who does what in this "community" and the "rules" in the “community’ you preached to kiani about.

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The metaphorical context which kiani used was taken out of context with the entire meaning of the deeper meaning. Then you post with the you wrote this and that and so this then gives you this online license to rip kianis’ words because you think you can? Wrong! Not with kiani. No way she is done with this offensive go no where back and to only to defend and defend again and again. kiani was warned to not come into this forum because the people in this forum have twisted the meaning of honesty, truthfulness, morality, and what it means to be a “gorean” so don’t go there because the click will rip your words to shreds. kiani believes for the best. she was wrong. It is like that here.

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Why she does not have a clue. But here in this forum it is fight, fight, fight and fight and ridicule and argue and post cutting remarks. Again why she does not get it. Others who she knows who are “goreans” offline are not like this. With those known to kiani personally with her Master there is mutual respect. The other “ slaves” don’t battle and bicker and fight and rip. There is respectful intelligent and alot of the time humorous witty exchanges among the Free. The FM are strong, forthright and unashamed to be men but also gentlemen and the FW are able to speak their minds but do so in a manner that teaches kiani so much as they speak in a way where their dignity is intact as classy ladies but are without a doubt women she would serve with joy if Master choose a certain FW for His FC.

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Here though there is all the fighting, ripping, shredding and thinking others are better than this one or that one and honestly this is beyond understanding. Another reference is in kianis’ professional work where she is respected, among her peers she is respected, among other colleagues that she networks with she is respected, among her friends and family she is loved and respected and among others that do not ever come into this forum for fear that there words will be ripped to shreds kiani is loved and respected by them. Yes respect is also given to “slaves” in a different way except in this forum. Respect is also a part of a Gorean Framework in the way that my Master executes His guidelines. kiani would not have given her submission to a man that was a sadist or harsh, cruel or cut her in anyway. Please spare any further "slave girl preaching and teaching" tazzy. The only posting that will be posted to explain are done and posted. Refer to them if you choose to tazzy. Believe kiani or not.

Giving "slave girl preaching and teaching" advice in an provoking way just to give advice on morality or behavior is also irritatingly annoying and comes across from you in an overbearing way which is not ever successful to garner receptive listening ears. At least not how kiani was trained to conduct herself professionally in her career and does with those in her daily life also.

Yanno also tazzy obviously kiani is not fairer whoever that is. kiani does not know this person at all. kiani has no idea what you are referring to. But anyhow kiani speaks like kiani does. Metaphorical speech is a way kiani will speak from time to time. As you might know, maybe not who knows what you know kiani does not pretend to know what you think, anyhow it would be unwise to exchange personal information in totality here in this public forum or the specifics of any exchanges that are personal. Further kiani has established clearly that not everyone talks like others however guesses that is not enough though for some here.

Where kiani comes from with her background meaning the personal circumstances and experiences that have shaped kianis’ life, ethnic and social origins, upbringing, education, and work experience; she and others she knows speaks in metaphorical ways at times and when asked to explain something unclear trust each other to mean what they say. With that said to better understand kiani is to understand she will not speak as you do or the next person does. This is not wrong. It is just different. Sorry you choice think you could vigorously criticize the use of partly a metaphorical meaning and then brazenly thought you could “teach” kiani how to speak. Tazzy do not do that again. You are not the Owner/Master of kiani.

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Also understand kiani is not a part of some online “community” that you preached rules about and in all honesty she has no clue what that even means to you and does not care to know. she is though a part of real life and a community of our friends and family with my Master. So tazzy don’t preach community rules about speaking, “whips” or “punishment” or anymore self appointed armchair philosophy of yours. All of this and more has already been established within a gorean framework where this claimed and owned woman is mastered by my most handsome beloved Master. Touché

Words mean more than what is set down on paper. It takes the human voice to infuse them with deeper meaning. - Dr. Maya Angelou

kiani got permission to take the time to reply before morning. my Master is expected to return home tomorrow so without being said kiani will not be here replying until granted time to do that by my Master. Also kiani sincerely regrets that there has been this kind of interactions as kiani is not the type of woman who likes conflict but will defend herself if it is with another who is of her “status.” Anyhow…Good night.

His kianiZ

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and then brazenly thought you could “teach” kiani how to speak. Tazzy do not do that again. You are not the Owner/Master of kiani.

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Others who she knows who are “goreans” offline are not like this. With those known to kiani personally with her Master there is mutual respect.

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Instead because love is to be celebrated. It is the highest expression a “slave” can give her Master. But when expressed here then it is defiled and twisted. So sad, so very sad.

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ORIGINAL: eponavet

I hope this thread ISN'T actually what defines a Gorean Framework....

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ORIGINAL: Dinnardin

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ORIGINAL: eponavet

I hope this thread ISN'T actually what defines a Gorean Framework....

It is, in that sometimes you can define something by showing exactly how NOT to do it.  Light is an absence of dark, but how do you show that without ever knowing dark?  Bare in mind that for the first several pages of this thread, there was neither interest in, nor openness to any answers, in the intent of the poster of the thread...he merely wanted to find someone who would agree with him with no reservations or, for that matter, coherent thought.  It was only when he left the thread, or at least pretended to (as he is still posting, just under his "girl"'s name), that we finally began to have any discussion on the topic at all.  He has tried, somewhat successfully, to hijack the thread with journeys down blind alleyways, but, sooner or later, we do and will come back to the base question.

Will we find a final answer to it?  Probably not...it may fall in the "how many roads must a man walk down?" (42(beat you to it)) type of question, but, perhaps, through continued discussion on the subject, we might, in time, reach, if not an answer, at least a consensus on the question.

John, AKA Dinnardin

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I hope this thread ISN'T actually reflective of what defines a Gorean Framework....

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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I hope this thread ISN'T actually reflective of what defines a Gorean Framework....

You are in luck. Your wish has been granted.

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in any gorean framework, does a slave downing Free fit in?

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ORIGINAL: eponavet

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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I hope this thread ISN'T actually reflective of what defines a Gorean Framework....

You are in luck. Your wish has been granted.

Woo hoo!!! Can i have 2 more.....?