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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/21/2009 10:59:36 PM   
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steehard something or another:


I then, after contemplative consideration, made the choice to risk presenting here in this forum with unfamiliar persons that I do not know and who I have witnessed in past times consistently demonstrate a pattern of behavior which is indicative of malicious irrational comments when it comes to dealing with what is rarely presented for discussion thus would rather be denied. I recognized and fully accepted the risk factor prior to presenting this topic here.


I am not a patient sort of man, and I have no surfiet of couth........but since you are being quoted and people are parsing this dross, to begin......... it cannot be other than 'I, then;' to start this miasma, and if the hordes don't contemplate while they considerate......simply put; we are all fucked. Additionally, I make malicious comments consistently, but we (and I am needful in particular) are going to need some sort of passing necessary and sufficient proffer that these are endemically irrational. On the way, this notion of rarely presented is only a rarity in your mind, and you may make your case that inimical onomatopoeia is enough reason to shun discourse, but; I belive that Occam's Razor will suffice to explicate the nebulousness of the situation, i.e.: Sometimes, topics are rare, simply and only because nobody gives a fuck. You can write bibles about angels dancing on the head of a pin, but it is folly to say that that book contains ideas of such probity that fools cannot discourse upon such intaglioed objects.



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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/21/2009 11:46:26 PM   
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Hi Ron,

    If I have said it once, I have said it a hundred times over.
YOU crack me up.

One of these days, I might even understand the whole of your posts and not just some of it...*laughs and laughs*
I do however get the jist of this post and as usual, you are brilliant.

Thank you for the morning laugh, you always seem to have this knack of giving me one, exactly when I need it the most.

I hope someone sends a laugh your way today.

Much care,
Babs

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 1:35:03 AM   
Maahsatti


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nothing is wrong or strange with kiani commenting on any thread. This one only needs permission from her Master in all she does.

Well wishes,
kianiZ
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    Well princess,
I do hope you read and reread this post you entered and come to understand that you have indeed gravely insulted your Master you claim to adore and respect so much.
Lovely job, I am quite sure he must be beaming with pride right about now.

*Sighs*
Good Grief




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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 7:13:44 AM   
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The questions of today...will Zevar/Eros come rushing in on his white horse to defend his slave?  Or will his slave apologize for her comments?   Or will he make certain we all know she will be punished?  Or ..."drum roll please"....are they one in the same???

Stay tuned to...As the Gor turns.

Elizabeth

Who is enjoying this immensely, humor is always good for a Saturday morning

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 8:03:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ElizabethAnne

And good morning Folks!

The questions of today...will Zevar/Eros come rushing in on his white horse to defend his slave?  Or will his slave apologize for her comments?   Or will he make certain we all know she will be punished?  Or ..."drum roll please"....are they one in the same???

Stay tuned to...As the Gor turns.

Elizabeth

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 8:51:12 AM   
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I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has looked at their posting/writing style and thought they could be one in the same. I dismissed the idea because that would just be too creepy.. know what I mean?

quote:

ORIGINAL: ElizabethAnne

And good morning Folks!

The questions of today...will Zevar/Eros come rushing in on his white horse to defend his slave?  Or will his slave apologize for her comments?   Or will he make certain we all know she will be punished?  Or ..."drum roll please"....are they one in the same???

Stay tuned to...As the Gor turns.

Elizabeth

Who is enjoying this immensely, humor is always good for a Saturday morning



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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 9:03:54 AM   
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that would just be too creepy


...not to mention a girl rushing to the rescue of her Gorean Master.

Yeah.



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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 9:12:24 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Chuckles, i wrote this long post yesterday to the female part in response to her ever seeming PERSONAL notes to the male part on a public DISCUSSION board. I mean could you imagine if every COUPLE on this board decided to use this DISCSSION board as a personal message board to each other. How nausating. Sorry but most people really don't want to read love notes between couples. But i deleted it lol. I am glad i am not the only one to notice it -- my thoughts are don't they live together or at least have contact with each other outside of this public discussion board wherein they can have their little love chats?

kiani if she is a separate and distinct entity has yet to learn that passive-aggressive isn't BEING a slave nor does it portray what a slave is. I would have gotten my ass beat if i attemptd passive-aggressiveness, i would have been better off simply saying whatever pissassed thing i wanted to say straight out than trying to manipulate. Sounds to me that Zevar and kiani have been spending to much time in roleplaying M/s in chatrooms than living it. ALSO, i agree -- a slave doesn't come running to her Master's rescue or try and use her statements to influence people about her Master. Heis a Man, he placed himself in a situation people are questioning him - let him be a Man and work it out himself.

All in all, i have wondered also if they could be the same person, the way kiani appeared and started doing the whole gushing to Zevar when people were coming down on him and their writing styles are just way to alike to NOT think they could beone and the same.

BUT Zevar lets her post as she does so shame on all of you!! smirks.

well, its time to go get my nails and toes done. bye bye

angel

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 9:20:58 AM   
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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 10:16:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok I have to ask who is Eros ? I have tried a search but no posts comes up ?

Secondly I have heard the girl on the phone talking to Zevar so she does exist.

Mitzie

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 10:32:24 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Umm Mitzie, as you have lost credibility to me based on some of your own unscrupelous behavior a couple months ago with posting things as fact when they weren't about some women here to somehow discredit them and when it came out you knew what you posted was lies and didn't initially correct same, i honestly don't believe you. I am sure that doesnt mean much to you, but your post here is just way to convenient. I hope others who know for sure will step up and say yeah or nay, it will be more convincing to me anyway.

angel

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 10:36:13 AM   
Mitzie


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Status: offline 		angel I dont give 2 hoots what you think.

I just want to thank the FM who sent me cm mail as to who Eros was

thank you

Mitzie

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 10:39:53 AM   
tazzygirl


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maybe its just my internal bs meter blaring. she posted not long ago how she was in training under another man. then she made one post about how she and this man spoke to Master Zevar on the phone. within days of that posting, she then states she is living with Master Zevar. now she seems, at least to me, to state that she has much training beneath Master Zevar.

its all rather confusing, to be honest. yes, i admit im rather a cynic. just seems to me that a woman who was abused, and i have no doubt she was, that she would trust a man enough to beg his collar, and move in so quickly.

its not my business, and im not asking them to explain. its their life, they will lead it as they please. i am merely posting this as an example of why others are having so much trouble believing them, including myself.

well wishes

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 10:39:55 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Chuckles, of course you shouldn't lol. I am simply speaking of your own actions in the recent past that could easily mean you would lie regarding what you know of people now as you did then.

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 10:48:42 AM   
Mitzie


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Yes I can understand how it looks and I cant blame people who dont know the actual facts for being wary and suspicious. It is not my place to talk Of Zevars private business and neither will I do so

well wishes


Mitzie



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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 12:59:47 PM   
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Tal all,

Good to see that there's more catching on to his "painted giraffes".


I wish you well,

  Camerius




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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 3:16:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mitzie

Ok I have to ask who is Eros ? I have tried a search but no posts comes up ?

Secondly I have heard the girl on the phone talking to Zevar so she does exist.

Mitzie



Hmmmm, I suppose the possibility exists that he is she and she is he and, and, and, and...............

Ahhh, what a beast is the demon called "Credibility"!

Whoa is the weaver of deception...

Asprin, asprin, two asprin, a 7 and 7 along with a tongue filled, long, deep, slow and steamy blow job.

Yes, yes that's the ticket !!! 

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 7:58:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, my name is Wildfire and I am new to this so bare with me.  Yes, I am sort of new to the lifestyle in general and yet, I am not new to it.  I have not YET had my OWM Dom to serve and have only had some fleeting "play party" moments with experienced and TRUE Doms, Thank God.  But, I long for my own Dom and it is not going well.

I heard the terminology Gorean lifestyle mentioned in the group I attended yet, no one ever bothered to really explain what it is.  Perhaps because they themselves truly did not know and therefore did not feel they should try to comment on it.  Which, is a good thing.  I feel if you don't know what the hell you are talking about then WHY are you TALKING about it?! 

Frankly I am sick of "vanilla" people who JUDGE without any knowledge whatsoever, the lifestyle, when they don't even know WHAT they are judging.  DUH!!!  I mean, let's "Live and Let Live, is my motto.  To each his/her own.  Just because I don't get into pain and would NEVER want to do "flesh hook suspension" or the like, does not mean that I am going to judge anyone who does. 

It's kind of strange since I have entered this lifestyle that I even see the lifestylers judging one another's kink or judging their sincerity as to whether they are submissive or not.  They judge it by their OWN standards, which you should not do.  I mean, we should be UNITED in the fact that we ALL enjoy "kink", right?  So, we are DIFFERENT in the TYPES of kink we enjoy or the degree with which we enjoy it, BIG DEAL!

I read the book, which is AWESOME in my opinion, called "The Loving Dominant" by Ph.D. John Warren.  And, in this book, he clearly states that the lifestyle is like a "buffet table" that you can pick and choose what you want and leave out what you don't.  I thoroughly agree and absolutely RESENT someone trying to tell me that I am NOT submissive because I only submit in the bedroom or to related activities at least.  Far be it from me to LIMIT it to the BEDROOM ONLY.  (LOL)

I just think it is a pity that we cannot learn to ACCEPT one another and each others DIFFERENCES.  THAT is what this lifestyle is TRULY about I think.  I love the variety of activities and the creativity that can be accomplished by the human imagination.  I like the variety of ideas and styles that exist and want to know ALL there is to know.  Even if I should find, and I am sure I will, that not all them are RIGHT FOR ME.  But rest assured, I will not judge someone for what they enjoy.  I may "shriek" in HORROR, (LOL) but I won't judge you.

So enough of my "soapbox preaching".  I entered this site to try to find out just WHAT IS THE GOREAN LIFESTYLE???

Curious and ornery mind wants to know.

Would appreciate a little education, thank you. 

Wildfire

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 8:32:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Slaves being told to taunt the free happened a few times in the books, of course there it was sexual taunting, but as that is impossible in this written arena I suppose this is a similar sort of thing.

The aim was to show distain and insult the free it was directed at, interesting weapon of choice really. When all else fails use a slave lol.

Cheryl

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RE: What defines a gorean framework? - 8/22/2009 8:39:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wildfire I believe that you have mistaken this for the BDSM forum because I don’t know any Goreans who think of Gor as a buffet unless they are predominantly BDSM and have an imperfect belief of what Gor is.

As for what the lifestyle is, so far I don’t think there is any consensus as the books were not meant to be a lifestyle but rather a philosophy, and people who live by any philosophy tend to believe in people reading the source material and going on a voyage of discovery talking to others rather than being given a ten step program to enlightenment. You will find no willing guru who wants you at his feet showering you with pearls of wisdom unless of course you wish to wear his collar.

Cheryl

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