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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 10:58:52 AM   
Webmaster60


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Status: offline 		I'm very pleased to have seen all the input here. One hopes that with a few, you can look back and feel that feeling that for a few may have dwindled a bit. All in all from the responses I've read the operative word is "Primal".

Us, all if us in our Baser selves, both Dominant and submissive, Master and slave. I know its not "looks" as I'm average and its not about sexual attraction.. again average. I do sometimes have an effect on slaves. Not brats or those blinded by society but one who hears the old call.

::shrugs:: Lets isolate it, bottle it, and sell it.



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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 11:05:08 AM   
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To me that is the difference between Men i react to as Masters and Men who i don't. Masters don't give me the power, the take mine from me. And i can't help but ache and search for that again. When a woman realizes that the Man before her will not be giving her the power, she can't help but feel a twinge of fear.

i am not sure if this answers what you are looking for or if this makes sense. But its the best i know how to describe it from my experience.


Very well said. Not much of "fear" has been discussed, but I CLEARLY see it in slaves on their knees.. But its "different"..

Can anyone speak on the "fear" felt?

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 12:11:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		greetings Master Michael,
fear has been spoken of, perhaps also even mentioned in my first post in this thread
Be Well
fyre
quote:

ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

angel, hello,
i can understand the fear, it was a similiar experience for me to be so consumed by the want of this Master and where he was going to take me, i was new, and i didnt know or understand the ramifications of such power a Master can have.
i never knew i was a slave in my heart. i had only been an unhappy domme.

but Master is right... once awakened it can not lay sleeping


quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Greetings Master Michael,

i hope my answer is along the lines of what you are asking.

When i think back it was fear. Not in the scared for my life fear but the fear that this man could take everything i know, everthing my life is and teach me that i had it all wrong, that the confidence and control i had was only in my mind and he knew differently.

You said it correctly... I believe completely in the Action reaction idea that embodies a Master and a slave. What draws the slave from her lil safe haven lol the power. There is a rawness about him. I didn't covet his power, i ached to be engulfed by it. With other Men, i had the power, i knew it, they gave it to me, i felt it, i grasped it and played it for all it was worth. (yes you could probably picture a woman in the midst of a crowd throwing back her head and laughing lol), and i hated it, despised them but yet lol i milked it -- i was and am a lil bitch -- but with him, under the enslavement of a Man who i react to because of his power of self, i was slave .. i didn't care what my friends did, what they thought or said... i wasn't a bitch, i was slave, i was about him.

i held him to such an expectation that i didn't hold other men too, i knew if he offered me his power, i would hate him so deeply that i would choke on it. i needed him to be different, to live up to the expectation i felt from him. He didn't offer me his power, he engulfed me with it. He wasn't about me. lol for the first time in my life, the Man wasn't all about me.. i had to be about HIM. Not in a he is a lazy beerbelly lay around on the couch all day kind of be all about him, but the power was his right type of way. i feared him, but i needed him.

Where did the fear come in? The unpredictability of sorts. Men with that power that compels the slave, are unpredictable because they hold within them the unknown, a way most women don't know and don't want to understand because it scares the hell out of them. Most women believe they covet the power these Men hold, but with women who become slaves, they realize they don't covet the power, they need to be engulfed by it. Even then it still scares them, but they know they will beg for it, ache for it, they need it. Action/reaction. Master/slave.

To me that is the difference between Men i react to as Masters and Men who i don't. Masters don't give me the power, the take mine from me. And i can't help but ache and search for that again. When a woman realizes that the Man before her will not be giving her the power, she can't help but feel a twinge of fear.

i am not sure if this answers what you are looking for or if this makes sense. But its the best i know how to describe it from my experience.

angel




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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 12:38:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		The fear i believe is on many different levels felt differently throught a woman's slavery. There is always the fear of the unknown, the power He holds over you, the fear that in being so engulfed you will lose yourself, then the fear that you won't. The fear that he will enslave you and then the fear of losing the enslavement. In many women its fear of themselves. The acknowledgment of what he shows you you really are, the fear of what you are becoming because it is a life you never were prepared for. Each step of the process is another level where that twinge is felt, the process of enslavement is continuous therefore there is always an element of fear that exists. On some level it is fear of the Man, the Master. There is the fear of maybe you can't go any farther, maybe this will be the last straw. The fear of yourself if you do go farther because you can't help yourself, you can't stop it even if you wish to. That fear is i think the one shoved into unacknowledgment of slaves, to admit such a thing means that all the nicey nice and sweetly romantic idea of slavery may not be all there is -- the fear of doubt, insecurity, unsurety, unbalance, the wobbleyness of being slave.

A slave isn't always allowed the luxury of balance of feeling balance in her life, the continuous process of enslavement assures that there will always be times where she is unbalanced simply because she has no control, she has no power, all of that he has and is. At the very least, i would imagine every woman who has ever been owned while being owned always has that tiny fear of will he keep me.

There is nothing as addictive as the fear a woman feels when owned by a Man, knowing she will be mastered and owned to his liking not to hers. Its an emotion i believe slaves love to hate and hate to love. To be vulnerable and helpless before a Man though feels right also instils fear on a level because to be vulnerable and helpless before a Man, means he will do with you as he pleases. How can a woman not feel fear when being engulfed in the power a Man who not only knows what to do with her, but proceeds to do it?

i am sure others lol who don't have years between feeling such can explain it a lot better than i.

angel



< Message edited by barelynangel -- 2/25/2006 12:45:30 PM >

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 12:45:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		feelings don't always diminish...
'circumstances'/situations just make things be different/difficult*shrugs*

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ORIGINAL: Webmaster60

I'm very pleased to have seen all the input here. One hopes that with a few, you can look back and feel that feeling that for a few may have dwindled a bit. All in all from the responses I've read the operative word is "Primal".

Us, all if us in our Baser selves, both Dominant and submissive, Master and slave. I know its not "looks" as I'm average and its not about sexual attraction.. again average. I do sometimes have an effect on slaves. Not brats or those blinded by society but one who hears the old call.

::shrugs:: Lets isolate it, bottle it, and sell it.




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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 12:52:54 PM   
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i am sure others lol who don't have years between feeling such can explain it a lot better than i.

angel


i doubt it, angel. ... smiles ... i think you about covered it!

especially the part about loving to hate it .. and hating loving it. i've always battled with that. for me, that element of fear helps to keep me in my place, which is where i feel the safest.

humbly,
sunshine

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 12:53:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Webmaster60

Very well said. Not much of "fear" has been discussed, but I CLEARLY see it in slaves on their knees.. But its "different"..

Can anyone speak on the "fear" felt?



greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves..

any slave that hasn't felt fear in some form isn't a slave that has had her very being touched. now granted, there are many different kinds of fear.

- There is the obvious fear of being harmed (physically, emotionally, etc) since you are turning over everything to this Man.

- There is the fear of getting lost in yourself, trying to be something you truly aren't but you do it because you are owned.

- There is the fear of being found displeasing in some way.

- There is the fear of the unknown, as you hand your leash to let someone else choose what it is you will be, do, etc.

and ultimately..there is the most important fear..that of what it will be like to be completely taken and owned by this Man. It wraps up all the other fears into it. That wondering, anticipating, craving to know what will happen next but almost scared to take that step. because each step taken forward you become less autonomous and more owned. that fear when you kneel before a Man who you know has that control over you..who you feel that amazing pull to..that fear isn't always bad though!

to me anyway, that fear is what keeps us on our toes so to speak. it pushes us to keep trying and working towards that perfection in our minds. it keeps the need to be owned fresh and forces us to know absolutely we are where we want to be. without that fear, complacency sets in and we lose that desire and spark to be at our knees before that Man!

learn to feed off the fear..learn to steer the fear in a positive way and it will only make things more intense for you..don't you find a slave that has that bit of fear in her eyes as she looks up at you just a bit more intoxicating as you stake claim to her Master?

a sluts humble opinion.

with an allowed voice..

< Message edited by yun -- 2/25/2006 12:58:54 PM >

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 1:02:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

i am sure others lol who don't have years between feeling such can explain it a lot better than i.




lol damn my slow fingers..your post wasn't up when i started but i ended up saying much the same you did barelynangel..so i think you must have said it pretty clearly and correctly for what many of us feel!!



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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 2:10:27 PM   
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Can anyone speak on the "fear" felt?


I fear him physically. He is bigger and meaner than me..and not the least bit afraid to put me in my place and hold me there.

I fear the fact that I love him so deeply and with such abandon and he can take me or leave me. I strive to be his oasis..to adapt, to be resillient and to do whatever it takes to have him keep me.

Fear is a huge motivator for me. It is an important part of being *his*. I need to on some very deep levels *fear* him. I have been able to turn fear which is usually a destructive force into something that is wholly positive for me. So much of our reactions to things are driven by what we believe to be true..I believe fear to be good and right in relation to my owner..and so it is. While we can't change the truth..we can absolutely change how we see it and experience it.

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 3:59:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		When younger I used to run from the men that made me uneasy.
I noted my reaction of my eyes searching the floor, the blushing
cheeks and that flip flop in my tummy as a weakness in me.
Few gave me the response, but those that did reminded me
without words that I was a girl, and they weren't.............
None ever took much notice and I grew into a different plane
for years as I gathered submissive men like flies. Then a decade
or so went by when it blidesided me. The self confidence that
eluded, the presence, the stance, the speech made my knees
quake and brought on a physical reaction in 90 degree heat
that left me shaken for days. I had never EVER had that kind
of reaction in my life, or at least one that gave me such thought.
Since I learned to pay attention to some of the other more quiet
responses within me I've noticed more of it through the years.
Sometimes in passing, other times across the table in an
interview. I don't know if any of these men considered themselves
a Master in the sense of Gor or that of BSDM but even they
understood the energy exchange as it happened. There is no
mistaking it.

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 7:10:48 PM   
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There is nothing as addictive as the fear a woman feels when owned by a Man, knowing she will be mastered and owned to his liking not to hers. Its an emotion i believe slaves love to hate and hate to love. To be vulnerable and helpless before a Man though feels right also instils fear on a level because to be vulnerable and helpless before a Man, means he will do with you as he pleases. How can a woman not feel fear when being engulfed in the power a Man who not only knows what to do with her, but proceeds to do it?

i am sure others lol who don't have years between feeling such can explain it a lot better than i.


I very much doubt it. Well done girl

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 8:41:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe that certain something they possess is the ability to recognize a slave's burning, even a banked one. Just as any prey animal can "feel" the presence of a hunter, perhaps a kajira (even one that doesn't know it) can somehow sense a man that will see her for what she is and treat her accordingly.

The reactions of a kajira in the presence of such a man are described similarly to the reactions of a flight reaction. Your heart races, your palms (and elsewhere) suddenly gets damp, your mind races, your muscles tense. Just like any prey animal when it senses it is about to be taken.

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 8:47:35 PM   
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Maybe that certain something they possess is the ability to recognize a slave's burning, even a banked one. Just as any prey animal can "feel" the presence of a hunter, perhaps a kajira (even one that doesn't know it) can somehow sense a man that will see her for what she is and treat her accordingly.

The reactions of a kajira in the presence of such a man are described similarly to the reactions of a flight reaction. Your heart races, your palms (and elsewhere) suddenly gets damp, your mind races, your muscles tense. Just like any prey animal when it senses it is about to be taken.


Thank You Krys, that really does about Sum it up, at least for me.......

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/25/2006 11:05:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol, i woke up thinking of this posting and realized how odd it had sounded so i wished to clarify it.
recently i had events in my life in a relationship occur ...which had turned unpleasant.
it had gotten to the point that i so doubted someone ,that if they had said i needed an umbrella to go to work b/c it was raining...
i would have checked first.
the confusions i was having were causing me serious doubts..as to if i was a slave.
during renegotiations with this person. i was extremely unslavelike in my actions...b/c i didnt believe anymore. i wasnt being mastered i was being lied to...and i felt a doormat more than a slave.
Master Michael i am grateful you had brought this thread up...it helped to remind a girl what she is,in her heart.

quote:

ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

feelings don't always diminish...
'circumstances'/situations just make things be different/difficult*shrugs*

quote:

ORIGINAL: Webmaster60

I'm very pleased to have seen all the input here. One hopes that with a few, you can look back and feel that feeling that for a few may have dwindled a bit. All in all from the responses I've read the operative word is "Primal".

Us, all if us in our Baser selves, both Dominant and submissive, Master and slave. I know its not "looks" as I'm average and its not about sexual attraction.. again average. I do sometimes have an effect on slaves. Not brats or those blinded by society but one who hears the old call.

::shrugs:: Lets isolate it, bottle it, and sell it.






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RE: Waking the slave within - 3/7/2006 11:39:32 AM   
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No girl.. not at all. It simply means you have yet to be confronted by a Man that would be your Master. or "a" Master. You will know.. as some girls here have stated.. It may come out of nowhere, but you'll know it when it creeps apon you. Not being true will not stop the feeling in your belly. It may well prevent you from acting on those feelings, b ut if you're slave, you'll hear a Masters voice.

greetings,
I do realize that this is probably 'old' topic already.. but in response to Master Michael who responded to strawberryskye i have this to add: It will creep up on you..and you will not be able to ignore it. I have been "not true" for more years than i can even say..and still the belly is there. Just the fact that i now am 'hearing' the Masters' voices..makes it that much stronger. A chemistry to say the least..a feeling yes..i tend to look at it as inordinate radar that draws the girl to the Man..simply nature.
justagirl

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RE: Waking the slave within - 3/7/2006 11:52:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Radar or homing device? A girls flame inside burns brightly and any man can see it if he looks.... The problem is that many men either don't recognize it, or know what it is.

To a man who does, it's like a homing beacon. I was at a club the other night with friends, enjoying good company and music. I looked around the room and noticed several girls there who had the flame. One in particular caught my attention. Her flame was VERY bright, close to the surface, and ready to be touched by a Master.

She sat there with her "date", head down, for the longest time...then she glanced up and me, seeing me watch her, her eyes hit the floor and she turned beet red. I sat and watched her for a solid hour, sometimes, in my periphial vision, she would glance at me. When I turned my eyes toward her, she looked down quickly.

That one was ready, and probably didn't even know what she was ready for. All I could do was wonder what, or who, had brought that flame so close to a full burn.

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RE: Waking the slave within - 3/7/2006 12:29:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		greetings,
Call it what You will, Master.. does it matter if it's called radar? or homing device? one could argue that they are one and the same. Indeed, the flame does burn brightly and it is the entire essence of the One that would, could and should detect it. Mine has been detected wholly....now, i am forced to look it in the eye.
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RE: Waking the slave within - 3/7/2006 2:05:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Master Michael, thank You for bringing these thoughts to mind. i have never really sat and thought it through. as i sit here the following comes to light, that "something" is my soul. He sees the true me and i hurts, it makes my heart skip a beat and start again faster than i have ever known, it is fear that He will see the true me and not want what He sees, for i want to be His, only His and it consumes me. the part of my soul that carries this part of me, recognizes others like me, it is not something that can be explained. it just IS.
a humble servant,
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RE: Waking the slave within - 3/7/2006 4:08:00 PM   
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RE: Waking the slave within - 3/7/2006 6:32:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perfectly said, even for those that don't know that they know.

My only other comment on waking the slave within, is that some of you can be truely crabby bitches when you are being woke up sometimes......


LOL,
Ron

(But oft times the hardest fighters are the best, so it all evens out, I spose)

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