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Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 7:01:56 AM   
Webmaster60


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Status: offline 		I'm not quite sure how to approach this, since I'm not sure how it works. I just know that somehow, through forces unknown to me, it works.

Recent inquiries have been made about what I'll call "breaking" a slave.. More fitting I'd call it "waking" a slave. Since I cannot explain this, perhaps some slaves perspective is in order. Hopefully they will speak out.
:::thinking how to write this without seeming arrogant:::

Some Masters tend to have a certain "effect" on "some" types of women. specifically slaves, or those that have a slaves belly. She may not even know she's a slave ::smiles:: but a Master can tell.. Always.. her desire and burning are transparent to him. He can "feel" her desperate and nearly insanely driven NEED to be owned, enslaved. More, or equally importantly, SHE feels HIM. It seems that to pull her hair back and see her eyes lift, she is at that moment, forever lost.

Is this chemistry? I don't think so. There has to be more to it. As stated, I don't know HOW it works.. Its not in words or even deeds I don't think. One can quite suddenly feel the energy begin to flow and exchange.

Its been asked "How do you do that"? or How do "I" (being the person asking) do that. I can't answer. I just know that it happens.. I've heard it stated here about "what happens to a girl when kneeling before a man of power". Perhaps some slaves that I've been in personal contact with can try to explain what happens in their mind, what causes this connection to happen. How do they feel or what are they thinking (good or bad).

I cannot chalk this up to simple chemistry, because it seems to happen with ALL girls who have a slaves heart. Its not hit-and-miss.. and its not restricted to "their" Master. All I do know is that once she hears the call, she is seemingly lost to it forever. Perhaps through the slave perspective we can identify something thats common? Perhaps not.


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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 7:59:43 AM   
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:::thinking how to write this without seeming arrogant:::

The woman and men who have true slaves bellys and hearts are not the ones who are in need of waking the slave within.
~smiles~
I want to write more on this but I wont get a head of My self in My thought process on Your words Michael and give others a chance to step in.......


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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 8:04:12 AM   
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The woman and men who have true slaves bellys and hearts are not the ones who are in need of waking the slave within.


lol, point well taken. Forgive my oversight, rather tunnelvision. I never considered this from the perspective of the male slave. I'm "assuming" the dynamics are the same.

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 8:06:51 AM   
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puts it in a whole new perspective when its put in those terms doesent it Michael ? ~smiles~



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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 8:08:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		*skye pokes her head in, realizes that she doesn't have an answer since there is only one Man who has ever made her feel that way, and ducks out silently*

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 8:09:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings Master Michael,

When I am out socially, on occasion, there will be some man, (this has never happened with a woman) that will "draw" me. I'm trying to find the right words. It is like my mind scrambles to find some way to subordinate myself to him. It most certainly is not love. It's almost like, I would rather cut off my arm, than not kneel before them. And I do not consider myself submissive.

I think this is the key though.

quote:

Its not hit-and-miss.. and its not restricted to "their" Master.


My Master obviously has this effect on me. But I have felt this "tug" from other men. I chalk it up to dominance. Some men possess what I consider to be "the expectation". It is the feeling I get, knowing they expect me to feel as a female, and not as their equal.

Not sure I am explaining this well.

talia

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 8:56:51 AM   
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*skye pokes her head in, realizes that she doesn't have an answer since there is only one Man who has ever made her feel that way, and ducks out silently*


Fine.
What happened to make you feel that way? What was it? A physical action, voice what?

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 9:01:37 AM   
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My Master obviously has this effect on me. But I have felt this "tug" from other men. I chalk it up to dominance. Some men possess what I consider to be "the expectation". It is the feeling I get, knowing they expect me to feel as a female, and not as their equal.

Not sure I am explaining this well.


Getting this information is like pulling teeth.
Thats a good start slave. You're having as much trouble as I was from my end. Can you narrow it down some?
What I'm trying to get here is "something" I can impart to new Masters who need to try to grasp what "this" is.

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 9:06:47 AM   
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oy, talk about asking one of those "hard to put into words" questions Master! i'm sure you will get a lot of "i can't explain it..i just feel the need to be near them" kind of answers.

for myself anyway..there is definitely that energy that is felt between myself and a Man who, just by being in their mere presence, draws the belly in a bit tighter, draws the eyes down a bit, the arms behind her and the desire to just fall to her knees. there is that formidable period where you fight with yourself of "raise the eyes so he can see into you..no don't raise the eyes that is disrespectful..oh shit is he talking to me..was i supposed to answer something". somehow even though a Dominant Man makes me all blustery..because of who they are and how i ache to be at his feet..i can find the headspace to be what i should..to act as i should..to beg through my actions that he finds me pleasing in the slave i am. i can honestly say i've never had a bad reaction to any kind of Dominant Man, whether i wanted to serve them or not. i've never been seen as less then i am and have never been told i wasn't pleasing. so obviously whatever my reactions are to them..something about it is right! they often talk about love at first sight...well i believe in dominance at first sight. there is something about a Man and how he carries himself, how he speaks, his presence and tone that will reach in and awaken me. they say animals can detect fear and other emotions in humans..why can we not detect things in each other? i can usually tell within a few minutes of speaking to someone and observing their mannerisms as to what they will bring out in me.

as far as what goes through me when i'm in the presence of a strong Man...the heart quickens a bit at the excitement of being felt a bit more put into a place i'm comfortable in..into my slavery. while i am a slave at any moment in the day..when one is reminded and put into that mindset of making it painfully aware they are slave..it makes life more fulfilled. to hear a certain Man's voice can make my mind swirl with all the ways i can serve him at that moment, it makes the legs a bit quivery at wanting to fall at his feet. to feel the hair tugged back..ahhhh sweet bliss! it's that moment when he draws the head back and meets my gaze that i know..he knows..i am slave and supplicating to him for his control and dominance. it's a reassurance of what i know to be true.

is there a certain one thing that a Man does to capture my attentions and pull at my soul? i don't think so..other then being what they truly are..Dominant Men! but i know i feel no shame in admitting one has touched me..that he has stirred needs and desirse and wants within me. it's merely an unspoken detection..i guess a "6th sense" of Dominance and submission.

with an allowed voice..

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 9:33:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Webmaster60

I'm not quite sure how to approach this, since I'm not sure how it works. I just know that somehow, through forces unknown to me, it works.

Recent inquiries have been made about what I'll call "breaking" a slave.. More fitting I'd call it "waking" a slave. Since I cannot explain this, perhaps some slaves perspective is in order. Hopefully they will speak out.
:::thinking how to write this without seeming arrogant:::

Some Masters tend to have a certain "effect" on "some" types of women. specifically slaves, or those that have a slaves belly. She may not even know she's a slave ::smiles:: but a Master can tell.. Always.. her desire and burning are transparent to him. He can "feel" her desperate and nearly insanely driven NEED to be owned, enslaved. More, or equally importantly, SHE feels HIM. It seems that to pull her hair back and see her eyes lift, she is at that moment, forever lost.

Is this chemistry? I don't think so. There has to be more to it. As stated, I don't know HOW it works.. Its not in words or even deeds I don't think. One can quite suddenly feel the energy begin to flow and exchange.

Its been asked "How do you do that"? or How do "I" (being the person asking) do that. I can't answer. I just know that it happens.. I've heard it stated here about "what happens to a girl when kneeling before a man of power". Perhaps some slaves that I've been in personal contact with can try to explain what happens in their mind, what causes this connection to happen. How do they feel or what are they thinking (good or bad).

I cannot chalk this up to simple chemistry, because it seems to happen with ALL girls who have a slaves heart. Its not hit-and-miss.. and its not restricted to "their" Master. All I do know is that once she hears the call, she is seemingly lost to it forever. Perhaps through the slave perspective we can identify something thats common? Perhaps not.




I agree that it is not just chemistry. For example, there is one Gorean Master who posts to this forum that my reaction to him is damn near on a cellular level. I can understand why his girl is helpless in his service. I have never met the man. He just exudes power, a take no shit attitude, and independence. I have a visceral and palpable reaction to him. It just is.

It is rare that anyone but my owner invokes that type of reaction in me. There is just something about extremely alpha males that *calls* to me and triggers something in me. When I'm in the presence of one I just know it and my response is primal.

Just an interesting side-note:
I never get that feeling towards females, in fact the total opposite reaction..I would never submit to a female. Not ever. I find the idea absolutely revolting and I detest submissive males.

So is it chemistry, conditioning, a combination of both?..genetics? I don't know. The reaction is specific to certain males. The more alpha the male..the stronger my reaction.

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 9:40:15 AM   
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Master Michael, what a thought provoking question! thank you *smiles*

There are men, who by just being themself, can make a woman have to kneel at their feet. Why is this? Perhaps it goes back to a womans nature, something very primal and instinctual... when she was dependent on a strong man for her survival. Yanno, back when dinasours roamed the earth, lol

Every species on this planet depends on recreation to survive, if you watch any one of a dozen nature programs, the alpha female always seeks out the alpha male. Why? to ensure her progeny the best chances of survival. Humans did the same when they lived in caves. The man who was the best provider, strongest hunter, would mean food and shelter for the offspring. It seems natural, to have this reaction to a male, even today, who exudes this inner strength. (Since we no longer live in caves, things have been streamlined a bit)

There are times, when meeting other men that I smile politely and show respect for the title, while not "feeling" it deep inside. They, for whatever reason, don't have the "gotta kneel" effect. Other times, just being introduced to a man, I have to fight the urge to drop and beg to be at his feet. I don't have a concrete reason, but there has to be something deeper then physical appearance..because two men with the same build, the same approach or mannerisms might have totally opposite reactions. For lack of a better word...I call it maleness.

More then masculinity, maleness (Im not even sure it is a real word, lol)... is when a man is self assured, aware of who he is and not bent by others whims or fancy, but there is more...and that is the part I am having a hard time describing. It's like...a silent dog whistle, females can hear it and react, but why that tone has the effect it does, is difficult to explain.

I hope this is along the lines of what you were seeking in responses, thank you for the wonderful question!

lisa{Sea's}
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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 9:58:22 AM   
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There are times, when meeting other men that I smile politely and show respect for the title, while not "feeling" it deep inside. They, for whatever reason, don't have the "gotta kneel" effect. Other times, just being introduced to a man, I have to fight the urge to drop and beg to be at his feet. I don't have a concrete reason, but there has to be something deeper then physical appearance..because two men with the same build, the same approach or mannerisms might have totally opposite reactions. For lack of a better word...I call it maleness.

More then masculinity, maleness (Im not even sure it is a real word, lol)... is when a man is self assured, aware of who he is and not bent by others whims or fancy, but there is more...and that is the part I am having a hard time describing. It's like...a silent dog whistle, females can hear it and react, but why that tone has the effect it does, is difficult to explain



Yes, Yes, Yes!!!..I hear it, I feel it, I react..but not every male has it..Some men do, some don't. I have a very tangible and palpable reaction to those types of men. Yum.

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 10:04:55 AM   
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I have only ever known one man who brought me to my knees, and i belong to him now. In the small circle of friends we know, there is one other who i feel my slave belly around. but again, not in the same degree that i feel it with my owner.

What does he do? He is just himself.

If edana may offer...i don’t think being dominant is an action, more so a trait that becomes a part of your personality. A persons personality spills into their persona - posture, speech, demeanor... I knew him to be my superior, and i wanted to serve him and beg his protection and mercy.

The other part is his keeping of me, when i say that, i mean the way he interacts with me. He does not treat me like a girlfriend, but like a slave. At no time do i feel as if he regards me as anything else other than a girl in his service. So i have no choice but to react to him as a slave would.

If it pleases the Free...


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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 11:02:51 AM   
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I had to grin when I was reading some of the responses to this question, because my first thought was "oh my gosh, how do you put it into words?!"

I think that I agree that there's something in the basic personality of a Dominant Man (and I agree, it's not all males across the board) which elicits that kind of reaction. I'm not sure if it's pheremone based, something about the unconscious way somebody like that carries himself (ie body language), or what. I suspect it's just a whole lot of combined factors which together fit the spaces in my mind that make me submissive, and it causes an automatic response. Also, I've felt this response in absolutely non-charged situations like walking through the grocery store, or at the library, or in the doctor's office, from men who are just "there", not prowling, you know what I mean? So I tend to think it's not something "learned", but an innate part of somebody's personality.

Incidentally, I've never felt that way towards a woman, either. I can feel respect, or ~act~ deferentially towards a woman, that's not a problem, but it's not the same "knees turn to jello" type response, ever.

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ORIGINAL: Webmaster60

What I'm trying to get here is "something" I can impart to new Masters who need to try to grasp what "this" is.


Master,

I'm not sure that's possible. I don't think it's something you can label and stick on a chart? Maybe with an in-depth bio-psychological profiling of Men who have this response, You might get it broken down into its "technical" terms?


respectfully,

~mirya



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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 11:19:10 AM   
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to put it simply the Owner does not take crap off of women.


more importantly though is that among Men he is a leader, one others turn to for counsel and support. He is the man that young boys emulate and hope to grow up to be like.


well wishes
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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 11:40:16 AM   
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Waking the slave within


Men and women are becoming more androgynous as
their societal roles become more similar.Men are more
willing to have feminine characteristics, and women
are a lot more willing to admit to traditionally
masculine characteristics, like assertiveness. BUT
microcosm reality of female is but the type and order
established at the base level which the macrocosm
male copies and takes control. This is the order
contained naturally within the universe. The pattern
from which everything is derived. The intelligence and
order behind what some would consider true raw dominance.
When a woman, like Me comes in contact with a Man
like the one defined above it by pure raw nature defines
the topping and bottoming that would not naturally occur
in every day society, every day living, every day lifes or
would be even noticed except by the complete change of
a woman like Me towards a Man like * Him* based off of
His ability to take dominance the essances that thru nature
command the body, mind, soul, chemicals and being that
is a woman like Me. This type of man is not common in
either nature nor in todays society. And with woman being
born with dominant breeding finding the man that holds
the characteristics that can top that dominance naturally
sets off a chain reaction thats equal to cosmic with the
end results being the waking of the slave within. This is
My personal take on the issue. I beleive that this also
can be turned around and the Man can be topped by the
woman who holds the same topping abilities of the strongest
dominance of men who hold no dominance desire due
to being the exception to natures common rules of microcosm
and macrocosm due to the changing at the cellular leval.
quote:

dominant is an action, more so a trait that becomes a part of your personality. A persons personality spills into their persona - posture, speech, demeanor... I knew him to be my superior

To put this in more simple words that I prefer to use,
If You can Dominate Me You can have Me and that Dominance
will bring out all the subjudication My self holds, and that is
no easy quest or act not being very successfull by many Men
by proof of having more men bow at My feet then Command
Me and that below Me.So if not that elusive seeping with Alpha
Dominant around Me, expect to be tempted to be Dominated!
And regardless of what some here might think, I beleive in and
support Free Male Dominance and Gorean izzem when its presented
to Me within My lifestyle as well as support Free Male Dominance
in My every day living when it presents itself as well. ( of course
that is My perception of what it is at a celular body leval and not
some others opinion of what it is or should be. I go by My gut.
which has never failed Me nor that which I tend to and support and
care for in the basics of every day living and survival of the fittest.))



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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 12:10:17 PM   
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So far it has been offerred up that not all Men create the same effect for a slave but the undertone reason of that is due to not all Men possessing that elusive quality about them.

I wish to look at that from a slightly different standpoint..in that all Men (Men..not males) do indeed possess this drop to your knee's ability but is not picked up by all women. (clarify: I say Men and not just males because when this effect is felt by a slave..woman..she perceives them as a Grrrrrrrrr MAN)

To me..that hand sweat..omg weak knee'd..heart racing..mouth of cotton..mind of mush occurrence is due to chemistry (Infatuation). This chemistry can be brought forth by more ways than just physical presence.

There are several theorys out there about what the causes of Infatuation are but for me the theory that this chemistry is elicited stems from coming in contact (in any fashion) with another person who harbors within them portions that we ourselves are missing.

The reason these parts of us are missing are way to numerous to try and ponder..just easier to accept and say they are indeed missing.

Infatuation I'm sure most can agree on..is not love. That may or may not come later down the road.

I do feel though that this initial response is what really gives merit to the saying: we are halves of a whole..or I feel a part of me is missing when so and so is not here..or I feel complete when I'm with..or I've found my soulmate.

(Can't speak for males who feel this from a Woman..or the out of natural order occurrences)

Thankyou in advance

starshine
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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 12:23:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings Master Michael
skye agrees with starshine, she does not believe it is anything special in a Man but that it is something within the slave. skye is sure you have been with women whom you have not had that effect on, in fact she knows it for a fact.
there have been Men skye has seen in random places such as gas stations that make her want to drop to her knees... she believes those particular Men are strong and honorable in character and posess the power to give a slave girl what she needs--complete control. their Mastery of themselves is transmitted to the female slave and thus the effect is produced. all men have it, just as all women have the capacity to be slave, the difference is how open and ready they are to accept their place in life, that would make them open to receiving such a feeling from any particular Man.
those are skye's feelings on the subject, she hopes they were helpful.
running off now before the hormones take over.

respectfully
kajira skye

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 12:28:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		As someone who is new, it's hard to really sort it out. Does it mean that i'm not really being true to myself, or lacking in something because i don't feel called towards another particular Master?

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RE: Waking the slave within - 2/22/2006 12:29:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		to put it quite simply, you took complete control without skye even asking for it. that effect still remains and skye doubts it will ever truly leave no matter how many Masters she has or how good they are. you made the first impression and it stuck like a baby duck imprints on its mother. and since you want specifics, it was a combination of actions and voice tone and that you gave an aura of power and self-control that rendered skye helpless, and still does.

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*skye pokes her head in, realizes that she doesn't have an answer since there is only one Man who has ever made her feel that way, and ducks out silently*


Fine.
What happened to make you feel that way? What was it? A physical action, voice what?


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