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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/15/2009 7:33:00 PM   
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My best advice is to reply, "What do you mean?"



I completely agree with this approach asking questions for clarification makes it hard for them... and it's what we do all the time. It is rare that anyone will actually suspect and even if they do.. they will want to be subtle and try to trick you into spilling it. Most times.. making them spell it out will get them uncomfortable and they will get rather vague and drop it... I never fill in the blanks for them.

Another approach is to comment on something specific with what they said. IE... "yeah.... your right their not sisters"... they will have to have to ask another question to carry on the conversation and most times they will not.

I recall one time at a christmas party someone made the comment after learning that we three live together and said "sounds Kinky".. my only responds was.. "Yes it does does lucky me!"

If you feel threaten.. they will feel it... you feel hesitate or concerned.. they will know it. You make little of it and they will have no where to go.

Many will suspect and a very small few might ask! but those are few and far between... It's not something that concerns me or worrys me with a house full of kids.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/15/2009 7:49:37 PM   
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Back in the day, my Domme would respond, "She's our best friend", "She's our roommate" or "She's his best friend".



Is it possible the neighbor was asking because he is a kindred spirit?


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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/15/2009 10:24:03 PM   
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I would first of all, be more discreet in your actions outside your home so you don't give them more to talk about than they already have. Being you're in Utah, I would be extremely careful about how you bring your relationship to the public.

Second, I would just say "she's a friend or roommate" and leave it at that.


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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/15/2009 10:28:20 PM   
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The neighbor that prompted this message was someone who was curious and she caught andi and not me and asked andi outright because she noticed that andi is always touchy feely with caryn and made a natural assumption.

Turns out she is looking to get a girlfriend on the side that her husband would be aware of but not be a part of because in her words "He doesn't satisfy me in bed anymore"

The Senario made me ponder, I have always been a free spirit when it came to who I was, I do not brag about what I do but when someone gets close enough to notice that we are far from Ward and June or Fred and Wilma I am usually comfortable enough to explain the dynamic if they ask questions. The things is they very rarely ask questions and the ones that do I have to admit are somewhat awestruck when they find out what we are all about, I have only had one friend who backed away after finding out and that was truely sad.

As for my issue, I am usually completely fine with what happens but now that there is a REGULAR dynamic that takes place daily it is becoming obvious to me that we are so open about it and don't hide anything about it that it is easy to see where people may eventually start asking those questions.

Thank you to Aylee and in Reference to KoM as I think that is a brilliant way to handle it and takes me off the defensive and possibly spilling beans that were never asked for.

Thank you for answering my questions on this.

Steel

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/15/2009 11:17:47 PM   
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Well, it was a bit awkward having to explain it to one of our neighbours here (in the just as mormon Salt Lake City), but, the funny thing is, it was more awkward for me than for them.  Granted, our neighbours are flat out awesome.  All of them.  Except the ones to the west with the obnoxious little yappy dog, and we just don't talk with them.  The others are over for bbqs often and invite us over all the time too.

It was actually at one of the bbqs that the wife asked about it, as B. was around a lot, and the pet was here also, and we were certainly not acting toward eachother like "just roommates".  The awkward part was in explaining that B. was my second partner and C. (yes that is their actual initials, not just alphebetical designations) was my pet/sub AND C. was also M's second partner.

It was also a bit awkward in being not exactly "normal".  But, in the end, they got it figured out and were surprisingly cool with it.

Truth be told though, if they weren't, oh well.  That's their problem, not mine.  What do we have to lose from it?  Nothing really.  But, as I said, they're all awesome.  Hell, the ones to the north gave me a raft of shit for not getting to the second day of the pride celebration this summer, and they're the 'normal' married couple with a kid, who went. LOL

Well, I guess 'normal' isn't quite right.  They're actually a bit older than normal for having a son that age, and she's the one that works in a major career while he is the 'haus frau', so to speak.

The ones to the south are college students, most of them working on their Masters or PhDs, so they're too busy to really care.  And the ones to the east are both doctors, so, they've seen and heard stranger.

In the long run, I think that you'll find that more and more people are open to the idea, or at least, as I said of the neighbours to the south, are too busy to really care about someone elses relationship dynamic.

In 40 years, I think people will look back on things like gay marriage and poly relationships just like we look back on inter-racial relationships and the trouble they had 40 years ago and say "Soooo, what was the big stink about then?  I don't get it."

It's a lot like Sidney Poitier said in Guess Who's Coming To Dinner, when addressing his father.  "You don't know how I feel, what I think. And if I tried to explain it the rest of your life you will never understand. You are 30 years older than I am. You and your whole lousy generation believes the way it was for you is the way it's got to be. And not until your whole generation has lain down and died will the dead weight of you be off our backs!"

Alas, that's how it is in a lot of ways now with the many many different relationship dynamics.  One day, they'll be just as normal as anything else, but until then, you'll have your allies and you'll have those that wish you ill because they just don't get it, and don't want to even try.  The first group, hold them dear and value them.  The second group, screw em.  They'll be gone soon enough.


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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/16/2009 2:51:13 AM   
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Steel...

I am sorry for Your plight Man... as I can not really say that I have been in it... of course... I may well not be One to ask such a question of because I had outted Myself to this small town that I live in and most of the surrounding towns a long time ago and now...noone even bothers to give Me or Mine a second thought.... Though, I will say what I would say if there were ever such an instance.... a soft yet semi elusive smile would be given and then, I would tilt My head and simply nod saying " well... to be honest... I am not sure...but...I'll tell You what... when I am... I will make certain You know as well alright?" then...turn and walk away.....

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/16/2009 5:57:31 AM   
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Being in a tiny town and pretty obvious about how we are we've fielded a few questions ourselves. We're just honest about our situation.

See, we don't hide things well. Just not good at it, you know? And I would rather my neighbors know that we live an alternative lifestyle then for them to just know that there is something going between my husband and the other woman staying here and what a poor pitiful thing I am for not seeing it myself... you know?

Our Mormon neighbor put it best when she said "You guys are like Mormon minus the religion, right?" She nailed it right on the head. And she accepts us the way we are... and believe me, you don't get more 'nilla then her... for those of you that understand the Mormon faith... she's worthy, she goes into the inner temple.

Best bet is to just be as honest as you are comfortable being. You have already proven yourself to be a good neighbor and responsible person so if this sudden realization from your neighbors changes the way they feel about you then it's their loss, not yours.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/16/2009 10:54:53 AM   
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tell your neighbors to mind their business. Its a free country and you owe no one an explaination

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/16/2009 2:01:04 PM   
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tell your neighbors to mind their business. Its a free country and you owe no one an explaination


This would certainly make things MUCH worse. You see when they come to you they are looking for a reasonable explanation. If you give them the answer you suggested they stop coing to you and just talk amongst themselves and the next thing you know Department of Child & Fmily Services is at your home looking into the home conditions and how well the child is being taken care of.

This is not an acceptable practice for us as caryn has her own child to think about as well as our midget.

I DO NOT want this thread to become an issue of children in a poly home that is NOT the point of this thread. That is why I have attorneys for that and by the time that becomes an issue there is NO Backstepping that can be done, it is already too late.

I am asking how people deal with the people who come to them who have managed to put two and two together and come to ask the question.

Most people have already pointed out that most people don't really pay that close attention, they don't ask questions, they most of the time don't even notice and the questions they are asking are not because they have figured it out but because they wonder why someone is always there or because they are interested in the other person and looking to get information.

The points made to me about asking THEM to clarify their question makes the most amount of sense see I kinda want to be open about what I do I don't like hiding for any reason, so I am inclined to give more information than is needed.

I think answering the specific questions would be helpful and keep me from having to divulge too much information.

Steel

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/16/2009 9:28:12 PM   
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The basic explanation is that he and I are housemates, the woman who comes over is his girlfriend, and she and I are very close. There is only one neighbor who is aware of my "boyfriends" who occasionally visit, and they think we're just weird anyway and stopped asking questions a long time ago. We did have one neighbor for a time who thought it was just horrible that the "girlfriend" and I "let him have his cake and eat it too". I told her that yep, that's what he wants and that's what he gets. We are quite happy with it and she didn't have to approve. Have a nice day. Of course, I think that was the last time she spoke to me but amazingly enough it didn't bother me in the least!

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/16/2009 9:54:02 PM   
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I am kind of amused by the fact that you live in St George, did you know that former porn star Asia Carrera chose to make St George her home? And if SHE can get along...

But you did get some good advice about asking questions back and making the questioner come out with what they are really curious about.

And finally, my daughter was in a poly relationship, and the five of them were out at a mall in Mesa, AZ. (a Mormon hotspot) An elderly gentleman actually came up to "Harley" and flat out asked if the girls were all his wives...and after a moment's hesitation, he came right back and said that they were...the old man nodded, said, "I thought so..." and walked away.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/17/2009 6:43:30 AM   
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Asia Carrera does live in St George however she is a Shut in and stays away from the public eye and she was retired from porn and starting a family LONG before she moved here.

She is Conservative so she is also left along if she were to push at a liberal agenda I think things would be very different for her.

Steel

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/21/2009 7:40:16 PM   
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I like Anne Landers reply to nosey questions    -   "why would you ask that?"   -  and wait for the reply.


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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/24/2009 9:46:03 AM   
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3 x kids
2 x moms
1 x dad

We lived in the wealthy corner of a small town, about 50,000 population. Our corner of the world was a peninsula that divided the Palma Sola Lagoon from the Manatee river.

We all had the same school, same doctor, same nail salon, same beauty parlor, same butcher, same church etc. Parents, teachers, ministers all accepted the answer, “we are family”. Our only "outting" was the nail salon owner who was also poly with 7 wives and he wasn't a problem.

A family, with many branches of the tree, living in the same house, is not abnormal or that uncommon. We were "family", all with the same last name. Many understood there was something special about our family because we lived quite vivaciously, but no one ever questioned our validity or morality. We were family and nothing more, to ourselves and the outside world.

Perhaps if you take the precaution to have matching names, it will work out the same for you as it did me. If anyone challenges you, bet them a hundred dollars that they are sisters . . . then pull out the drivers licences to prove it.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/24/2009 10:59:01 AM   
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Eric.

You rock.

I will look into the repercussions of that for her it may not be something she is ready for right now but could be willing to.

Is it possible to legally change your last time without marriage?

Anyone know what is required to legally change your name on a SS and Birthcertificate without actually legally getting married?

Steel

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/24/2009 11:59:01 AM   
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Hey Steel,
Just wait until I visit you next year! You can bring me back to your place (back & forth until the neighbor sees all of us together), fondle away my pet! That'll REALLY f**k w/her head!!!

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/24/2009 12:07:43 PM   
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Eric.

You rock.

I will look into the repercussions of that for her it may not be something she is ready for right now but could be willing to.

Is it possible to legally change your last time without marriage?

Anyone know what is required to legally change your name on a SS and Birthcertificate without actually legally getting married?

Steel

Anybody can legally change their name.  However, to My knowledge, you don't get a new birth certificate.  What you do is file the correct documentation with the court and you receive a separate document verifying that you have legally changed your name.  You file a copy of that document with the Social Security Administration and do the same with the DMV, credit cards, etc.


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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/24/2009 12:16:28 PM   
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Steel,

Maybe I can offer a unique perspective on the issue. I was for many years a member of the Mormon (LDS) faith and community in Utah and Idaho, You must understand that their idea of purity and relationships is warped to what they read from a book. I have long since left the faith and began to practice in the lifestyle. At one point I was living in a very devoted Mormon community...Provo to be exact. I had left the faith and began to serve and be collared by my mistress. To all of my friends and former members, this was obscene to the utmost degree. Not because anything sexual was happening but because I was allowing myself to be used in this manner.

The response that they will respect the most and you will probably laugh is this.

Tell them that God gave us all free will and we have a fundamental right to choose and do as we please. Our free will is what makes us human and allows us to follow the "Plan of Salvation."

If you throw some of their rhetoric and doctrine in their face, they will respect it because it shows you understand them and also exploits their belief that free will and choice is an essential part of what they call salvation. It allows you to do as you please and them to categorize as you will.

My only warning would be to be careful about throwing the practice of polygamy at them. This is very sore spot. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has condemned the practice and excommunicated members since Utah became a state and this could bring the full weight and force of their community down on you. Take the high road and tell them of your choices and use of your free will as they believe and you should get them to leave you alone.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/24/2009 12:41:24 PM   
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Tell them your last name is Osmond.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 8/24/2009 7:25:10 PM   
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Eric.

You rock.

I will look into the repercussions of that for her it may not be something she is ready for right now but could be willing to.

Is it possible to legally change your last time without marriage?

Anyone know what is required to legally change your name on a SS and Birthcertificate without actually legally getting married?

Steel


http://www.wikihow.com/Change-Your-Name

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