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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 9/5/2009 2:22:34 AM   
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So, it is obvious to everyone who sees us that there is more going on in this relationship then just two girls who are friends.

What to you other Poly Couples do when your Anonymity is shot to shit and it is obvious to the neighbors that you are a "Trouple" and that there is something different about your relationship?

Apparently one of the neighbors came right up to andi and asked her what was up with caryn cause they "sure aren't sisters."

How do you handle those situations.

Steel

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 9/5/2009 7:29:50 AM   
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To answer a few questions:

Why do we stay here?   There really is no reason we stay other than I have a Decent Job here and most of the time living here is awsome. It is GEORGOUS out here where I live, I am minutes from just about everything I could want I'm an hour and 45 from Las Vegas, and Hour and 45 from Zion National Park, And 2 Hours from Brian Head Ski & Snowboard Resort. The main issues I have is that finding other people who are not judgemental of this lifestyle is more than a little difficult. Also that St George is "Different" than most other areas of Utah. Although you will find the LDS Church in all areas of Utah I find that our little town is oddly different. I have never known other Utah Areas to Celebrare the 4th of July on the 3rd because the 4th was a sunday.

**Mind you I am not complaining, this thread was never about me being upset because I was asked, it is about how others deal with the questions when and if they come**
 
What makes them think they can ask?   Well in the situation in my Op the neighbors are friends and noticed something that they didn't understand and were curious and in this particular situation have remained respectful of us since then. There are however certain people who we KNOW would rally to make problems. The Local Bishop for our area Ward lives across the street. IS a member of the Utah Moral Brigade also know as HOME (Help Our Moral Environment). This is the group who Picketed the Adult Video Store in Mesquite Nevada because it was too much of a temptation to the members of their flock. They also bought a billboard on the way from Mesquite into St George where they posted random Utah License Plates that were seen in the Adult Shop Parking lot...... Yes that is Completely Legal because many people tried to sue them, apparently you do not need permission to post pictures of someone license plates just their faces.... at least that was the courts decision. Here is a link to the issue before it went to trial which didn't change anything and the owner of the shop just closed down because it wasn't worth the hassel ...... After 3 Years of CONSTANT Picketing. The point I am making here is that Utah is a big place, the smaller towns like St George, Orderville, Kanarraville, and Toquerville along with places like Winchester Hills where if you are not LDS, you will find you cannot actually buy a home, as all of them are owned by members of the church or the church itself.

My Point in all this is that in Utah keeping the preceived moral high road is something many people take upon themselves for EVERYONE in the town and YES people will ask you flat out if you are a member of the Church and they will ask you if the person you are with is your Wife, and if she isn't they will eyeball you for not being Married to the person you are getting lovey dovey with.

I can't believe this is any different than the Bible Belt of America where the Moral view is more important than individual expression.

Truely things just are the way they are here.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 9/5/2009 8:41:26 AM   
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Brain you have never been to Utah have you?

So far there have been no real issues the neighbor who asked asked in a Positive way but we have become aware that we aren't fooling anyone (Not that we were ever trying)

It does lead to the possibility of less positive questions and in a Mormon run and Morally Obligated City what are good ways to pacify a natural curiosity if you know it is comeing from a Negative place?

Steel


You could always try the...

They are gay and Im their front

or....

They are gay and I am trying to convert them

either way... just grin

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 9/5/2009 8:51:55 AM   
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The Ann Landers solution for such matters: Ask them "Why would you want to know/be interested in that?" Usually, they blush, but as is pointed out above - maybe, just maybe they are LDS and are interested in helping.  If that's their reply, a nice "Thanks, but we're fine" should work.

The problem with claiming "The Principle" for women kissing is NOT a good idea.  If he kissed them serially in front of Ms.BB (bzy body) that's cool.  Most polygamous families were/are run VERY separately.  That is, there were separate houses for the wives and their children.  Wife #1 got the biggest/best and so on down the line.  The male would visit his house of choice.  The women were NOT to talk/interact with each other - why........ they might be conspiring against their husband.  Actually they didn't interact with each other because they were basically in compition for the attention/favors of their husband.

Very, very different from our idea of a poly family/house which can cetainly include "sisters" even to the point of <gasp> lesbians!

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 9/5/2009 9:59:41 AM   
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Steel, your situation sounds very close to Big Love (our favorite show, btw). Which is to say, being poly in an LDS community is not a matter of finding just the right clever quip to their questions. Being poly in such a place can have really serious implications.

Your original question- what do the rest of us say- is not relevant. In West Hollywood, your family would be warmly welcomed. In San Fran, you could tell neighbors to piss off.

In St. George, all you can really do is be very, very careful and discrete.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 9/5/2009 12:41:09 PM   
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To answer a few questions:

Why do we stay here?   There really is no reason we stay other than I have a Decent Job here and most of the time living here is awsome. It is GEORGOUS out here where I live, I am minutes from just about everything I could want I'm an hour and 45 from Las Vegas, and Hour and 45 from Zion National Park, And 2 Hours from Brian Head Ski & Snowboard Resort. The main issues I have is that finding other people who are not judgemental of this lifestyle is more than a little difficult. Also that St George is "Different" than most other areas of Utah. Although you will find the LDS Church in all areas of Utah I find that our little town is oddly different. I have never known other Utah Areas to Celebrare the 4th of July on the 3rd because the 4th was a sunday.



Steel


Off topic a bit....but - you live in my MOST favorite place! It may not bother me as much b/c i live in the true bible belt of the south, but i found southern Utah to be a bit more liberal than the south. I could be wrong b/c i have lived most of my life in the south, but...in both places there are pockets of liberal/cool areas and pockets of extreme conservatism. In the end, being happy inside seems to be directly related to how happy we are outside, regardless of "where" outside is.

Congrats on your happy home! :)

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 9/14/2009 11:02:09 AM   
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Brain you have never been to Utah have you?

So far there have been no real issues the neighbor who asked asked in a Positive way but we have become aware that we aren't fooling anyone (Not that we were ever trying)

It does lead to the possibility of less positive questions and in a Mormon run and Morally Obligated City what are good ways to pacify a natural curiosity if you know it is comeing from a Negative place?

Steel

What's so controversial about a room mate that's just awsome?  especially in Utah they don't want to know about your bedroom (ok so maybe they do) but all they need to know is "yeah she lives here" and no more.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 9/14/2009 11:14:30 AM   
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quote:

Is it possible to legally change your last time without marriage?

Anyone know what is required to legally change your name on a SS and Birthcertificate without actually legally getting married?

Steel

In colorado you only have to petition for a name change. Here they do want to know that you've tied up any financial loose ends (clear credit report) and that you notify any pending creditors (like for a house or car) of the change. Other than that it's $125 fee and they like to see a lawyer to speak for you that all the i's are dotted and t's crossed then 30-60 days it's done.
You do need to give a reason here, my suggestion would be common law marriage. In Utah I'm just not sure how well that would fly with the polygamy police.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 10/8/2009 9:49:58 AM   
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Okay, as to the why explain anything there are reasons why when a question such as...

"so... uh.. whats the deal with that girl you always have over." comes up it is being asked by someone who knows both my wife and I and are aware that she is a new addition. We aren't really restrictive on our contact because.... well that just doesn't work for our kind of relationship.

When someone asks such a question it is because there is already talk. They just have the balls to ask about it. Giving some BS answer that they are Sisters just won't fly period, I like the idea of making the questioning most uncomfortable for the nosey nancy rather than trying to actually explain.

The Problem is that in a Small Town like St George People don't JUST talk they make phone calls and start Morality Groups and Petition the Mayor and stupid shit like that.

Also Utah as a State is a RED state, the Majority of people here are VERY Conservative and this is the kind of thing they look at like Villagers to Dr. Frankenstein's Lab. They want to Protect Morality but only as long as it is THEIR Morality.

The Really Funny thing is that I myself am fairly conservative, when it comes to certain things I just don't give a Shit. Like this I really don't care about what you do in the privacy of your own home or in your desired love dream.

It's not like anyone else has asked anything since andi was asked by the neighbor...... but I am happy to get input on how to answer should it happen again.

Steel
I feel ya my friend, my situation is similar - good fences make good neighbors, but people in small towns are terminally bored, and there are invariably busybodies, snoops, snobs and gossips of every variety, and it sometimes threatens to cross the line into open harrassment.

Our part of the country is, I think, particularly bad; FoF is based in Colorado Springs and are always agitating and spreading disinformation throughout the area, Mormons are everywhere, evangelicals in general are all politically active and easily stirred up these days, it's the conservatives last resort to garner votes, having proven themselves incompetent at everything else.

Most Mormons, here at least, are least are aware that they originated as a "sexually deviant" poly sect and if they don't I remind them, but all of them are pretty much obsessed with anything that isn't strictly hetero or male supremacy.

I usually tell them its none of their damn business, and/or ask them how long they've been into voyeurism.

LnS's Ms. Manners approach is a good one, let them fucking explain why they're being so nosy.


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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 10/8/2009 9:53:19 AM   
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I usually tell them its none of their damn business, and/or ask them how long they've been into voyeurism.



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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 10/9/2009 10:55:24 AM   
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And this right here is where I always part ways with the similar views of others.

I will not Hide, Hinder, Stuff, or Curb my affectionate actions in front of others. I may not desire to be caught making out and engageing in heavy petting in the public park, however that is the assumption you make.

The girls hold hand, hug, and kess each other hello and good bye. It is simply OBVIOUS that they are in love with one another. I would not hinder that for one moment. As for an Excersize in Decency, let me say this. The girls aren't stripping down in front of people, they aren't playing grab ass but rather just being affectionate. I would no more ask them not to to that then I would be willing to allow someone to tell me I should not hold hands with my wife or kiss her.

It seems people are assuming to some degree that the girls are dry humpeing each other in the middle of the streets, it is certainly the case from the few provate e-mails I received on this. So far the kindest e-mail and most helpful came from someone who is actually LDS who gave me part of the LDS Belief to use as a way of deflecting questions.

I was asking for advice in how to handle the questions not in how to curb the girls affection for one another, first off I don't WANT to curb their affection I want good ways to handle when people ask questions.

The point I am making is that I am not willing to make what we do some dirty little secret, I do quiet certain conversations when they come up because they are being started at the wrong time and in the wrong place, but there is nothing wrong with how the girls interact together, just in this town two girls interacting that way draws attention and I am looking for ways of deflecting that attention when it is bold enough to present itself.

Steel


Well that would be great if the topic weren't "how to manage nosey neighbours' questions so our kids don't get taken away."

Seriously from the previous posts it sounds like the town is going to start some sort of Morality Crusade and run you out of town, taking your kids as they do. But now you're saying basically "screw what they think, we're going to engage in PDA" and really the two don't mesh too well.

The way I see it, if you *want* privacy, you have to behave as a private person would. You can't put yourself on display then complain that people are being nosey. It just doesn't work that way.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 10/9/2009 2:16:08 PM   
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greetings to all,

Steel, 

A long time ago, my sister and I were hugging in a public park (I can't for the life of me remember why now; we were in our mid-teens, and going through that "stuff the world" stage).  Some person yelled out a car window about us being lesbians.  We yelled back that we were sisters (and calling them a few choice words after that, that I can remember).

People will see what they want to see, and think what they want to think, regardless of anything you can do to change their minds.  I personally think that your girls kissing and holding hands and what have you is a good thing for people to see; it shows the world that love comes in all forms, not just the heterosexual version that most people consider "normal".

I hope that my point of view hasn't taken the topic too far past the original one you posted, or been too out of turn.  If my reply has displeased you in any way, my Master's orders are to ask you to please feel free to contact me for my Master's email address.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 10/10/2009 8:16:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella


quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

And this right here is where I always part ways with the similar views of others.

I will not Hide, Hinder, Stuff, or Curb my affectionate actions in front of others. I may not desire to be caught making out and engageing in heavy petting in the public park, however that is the assumption you make.

The girls hold hand, hug, and kess each other hello and good bye. It is simply OBVIOUS that they are in love with one another. I would not hinder that for one moment. As for an Excersize in Decency, let me say this. The girls aren't stripping down in front of people, they aren't playing grab ass but rather just being affectionate. I would no more ask them not to to that then I would be willing to allow someone to tell me I should not hold hands with my wife or kiss her.

It seems people are assuming to some degree that the girls are dry humpeing each other in the middle of the streets, it is certainly the case from the few provate e-mails I received on this. So far the kindest e-mail and most helpful came from someone who is actually LDS who gave me part of the LDS Belief to use as a way of deflecting questions.

I was asking for advice in how to handle the questions not in how to curb the girls affection for one another, first off I don't WANT to curb their affection I want good ways to handle when people ask questions.

The point I am making is that I am not willing to make what we do some dirty little secret, I do quiet certain conversations when they come up because they are being started at the wrong time and in the wrong place, but there is nothing wrong with how the girls interact together, just in this town two girls interacting that way draws attention and I am looking for ways of deflecting that attention when it is bold enough to present itself.

Steel


Well that would be great if the topic weren't "how to manage nosey neighbours' questions so our kids don't get taken away."

Seriously from the previous posts it sounds like the town is going to start some sort of Morality Crusade and run you out of town, taking your kids as they do. But now you're saying basically "screw what they think, we're going to engage in PDA" and really the two don't mesh too well.

The way I see it, if you *want* privacy, you have to behave as a private person would. You can't put yourself on display then complain that people are being nosey. It just doesn't work that way.
PDA is an interesting subject, a lot of people seem to find it objectionable, and not just for religious reasons - i.e., the "mushiness" squicks them out, it can intensify feelings of acute loneliness in some observers, in short, unless year spent looking at naked women has injured you to this, it triggers primacy effect. Sex and violence are very primal behaviors and when they appear they tend to "crowd out" everything else - people react to PDA much the same way they all go running to see when there's a fight.

Keeping track of who's doing what to who is very likely a selected trait, it probably helps keep track of whose kids are whose and avoid incestuous matches. The practice of verbally denouncing it is the act of announcing their inclusion and belonging to a specific social group, religious, male sporting culture, Blue collar bourgeoisie, and of the other social demographics that have their own idea about "how the world should be".

Acting like cavemen may be so last century, but you're talking about a half century of democratic reform vs. millions of years of evolution - the veneer is very thin, and not just in the "dog eat dog" sense - we band to together for survival, our complex social relationships are key to our success, and people react negatively to anything they perceives as being threatening to group fitness.

So, if you're going to out, loud and proud, you're going to need a thick skin, and make friends where you can - eventually, most people will learn to adjust, meantime, you're going to be something for them to talk about.

We're actually lucky to live in a time when a lot of stuff has become quasi-acceptable, but it takes time for some of this stuff to filter down to the provinces.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 10/16/2009 3:57:42 PM   
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Well being a Black Dominant King having mostly white slaves and subs, when I go shopping and take My girls we do get the looks but the girl love the attention, but once back at home we dont play much in yard for other to see, for I believe let their mind work hard at guessing what could be going on, most that approach usally ask am I the girl protectors or something, some time I say yes not really a lie, other I say no they belong to Me, if u dont do thing directly in anyone face then u would really not be bothered much I had two house of slaves never any problems, not even with landlord but all have been males and they would even tease My girl by saying " dont let Me call Master tell him u girls been naughty", this lifestyle is not for everyone at all so if someone truely interested they will approach right and find away to ask about it other will stand on side and judge u but we learn to ignore them and keep the peace.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 10/16/2009 11:42:43 PM   
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Steel,
I have some lesbian friends who aren't out for reasons they choose not to disclose.  What they say when anyone asks them anything.

Neighbor:  So, what kind of relationship do you two have?
my friend:  Just what are you asking?
Neighbor:  Well you two seem awfully... chummy.
my friend:  Just what exactly are you asking?

That was her answer over and over until eventually..

Neighbor:  Well ummm... never mind.
OR
Neighbor:  So are you two lesbians?
my friend:  That's what you are asking?  geesh.
*walk away.

Good luck
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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 10/31/2009 5:05:01 PM   
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A coworker of mine was trying to tell me she had seen my husband at the movies with another lady. I assume they may have been seen holding hands or kissing.

I responded, "Yes, he and _____ went to see (whatever movie it was) since I hate scary movies and wont' go with him. And, sometimes she and I go to girlie movies without him. But it's all good. If you are worried about anything else or want to know more, just be sure you want to hear the real answer before you ask the question."

That ususally works for us. The next questions get asked about 50% of the time. The others just say, "Just thought you would want to know." So I thank them and we move on.

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 10/31/2009 11:32:14 PM   
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Vancouver BC here.... 99% of people couldn't care less. We've had a few looks, but no comments that I can think of. I kinda wish we would get a few complaints or something. I'd love to give someone a lesson in "accepting others as long as they're not hurting you directly". I'd also enjoy the opportunity to talk about it with someone that has an open mind, but so far people either don't notice or don't care.

Both my girls are quite a bit younger than me (20 or so compared to my 34) so sometimes the looks are due to that, I think. But again, very few care.


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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 10/31/2009 11:52:34 PM   
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Dude, yeah, you're in UT.  We were in freakin' GEORGIA!


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Georgia? Isn't that where "virgin" means a girl who can outrun her brother?

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 11/25/2009 3:55:31 PM   
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How about this.....

We are sisters ....

My sister works at night, and when my sister's husband went to Iraq . I stayed with her to help with the girls. During that time new neighbours moved in right next to door. They assumed that we were lesbian and would not give us the time of day, and even tryed to give my sister some shit about where she was allowed to park her van in the road, that dog was barking to loud even so they have two dogs themself, that my motorcycle is a noise nuisance when I went to work....... you know just in general hasseling us, their kids weren't allowed to talk to my sisters girls.....
Now that my brother in law is back from tour of duty they are oohhh so friendly ...... my sister still refuses to talk to them because they were such assholes ...
Me.. well I just visit my sister on the weekends with my motorcycle and when I leave in the middles of the night I make sure to rev errr warm up the motor before I leave

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RE: ~~Yeah they're sisters My ASS!!!~~ - 12/2/2009 10:22:37 AM   
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Honestly, if the question was asked in a rude manner (as you seem to indicate) i would have to respond with an equally inappropriate question about their relationship/sex life. When there is just two of you the neighbors don't think that they have any right to ask about your personal relationship, so i don't see why it should be any different just because there are 3.

The variation of this would be if this person was someone that i actually had some kind of realtionship/friendship with and they asked in a nice way.....well i would probably answer them honestly. Or if it was the parents of one of my kids friends. i would simply explain to them that yes there are three of us, but just as they don't display inappropriate behaviour in front of the kids, neither do we.

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