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RE: Lambs to the slaughter - 8/22/2009 5:29:27 PM

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RE: Lambs to the slaughter - 8/22/2009 6:21:16 PM

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"Civiliants" that's a good one. Don't agree per se, but very original and relevant.

As to the OP,

I just don't get it. You ask what do you get by being part of an organized functioning society. You get plenty to eat, education, the ability to pursue art (aren't you a metal worker?), a functiong legal system, saftey, medical care, Libraries, free time to chat on the Internet, ect, ect.

Look at places where there is no functioning society or people really are treated as farm animals.

It ain't Britian.

What exactly is it you don't get but want?

We are given what we are allowed to think we are free, as for the things you mentioned, healthcare, if it be dental, I cannot get it, without paying loads for unnecessary care before my problems are sorted, my finances do not allow that.I pursue art, as a means to understand my place in the world, as I recently been diagnosed as having ASD, my metalwork, is something I can do, with ease, and can direct that skill in any way that is required, I can create art, or I can make things of a more functional nature, it is much the same, the ability to create, but I stumble when creation is a means for destruction. The legal system, well, from experience, what a joke, the accused bear more grace than the accuser, been there, seen it and seen the results. Libraries, well my local library recently closed in favour of a mobile book store that travels around trying to get people interested in literature, but me, I have time for the reference section which rarely travels. Life as you think it in theory it is good, but in practice so many corners are cut, all in the name of money saved, we are unimportant to those that govern us.

Maybe it is that those that govern us have realised, the education of the sheeple means they have the ability to see their plans and there question what it is they are doing. Voting for a party I see in most cases is nothing but tribal, a need to feel the voter belongs to something above their normality

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RE: Lambs to the slaughter - 8/22/2009 7:17:46 PM

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Life as you think it in theory it is good, but in practice so many corners are cut, all in the name of money saved, we are unimportant to those that govern us.

And why exactly is the government cutting those corners? Why because the sheeple are all bleating about their taxes being to high....they can't pay for what they don't have the money for.

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RE: Lambs to the slaughter - 8/23/2009 4:05:58 AM

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You do reaise Aenerin that the governmnt is the people? We aregiven nothing but that which we allow ourselves. What do you consider free? The legal system is not faultless bvut neither is i a joke. If you disaree try seeing how the jusice system works in just about any third world country. If you do not want to be part of the democratic process hen by all means you ae free to do so. But by making this choice you are choosing to be a ''sheeple'' someone who allows others to make decisions for himself.

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RE: Lambs to the slaughter - 8/23/2009 5:24:17 AM

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'Lambs to the slaughter' is a touch on the dramatic side.

But experience supports the main thrust of your argument.

In 1914 Belguim's neutrality/German aggression/a short war were the carrots (amounting to playing on pride and fear) dangled. In actual fact the British government couldn't have cared less about Belguim and didn't necessarily believe that Germany was the miltaristic nation that the conservative elements of the press would have us believe and knew fine well that the evolution of technology meant a protracted war at high cost in financial terms and human life. So the government and the people's motives weren't exactly aligned.

Fast forward to Iraq and the majority of this country did not want involvement unless WMDs were found and it was UN approved; neither came to fruition but we're there nevertheless with yet again appeals to our pride and fear (the spread of democratic values/the tyranny of Saddam Hussein/lies relating to the threat posed by Iraq) did the trick in tried and tested fashion.

100 years between them - same old.

So: education has infinitely improved among your average men on the street as has our prosperity yet we are still susceptible to having our strings pulled and ending up in situations that we don't necessarily want. You can only conclude that democracy and having the vote has failed in its objective of balanced political power and a more peaceful co-existence. This may be why only 50% of the British population turned out to vote at the last general election - it turns out that the vote in itself is not the golden ticket that liberals believed and we understand that.

What this all means is open to debate: you could argue that we're more instinctive and less reasonable than we'd like to believe - and that means we'll always be capable of having our strings pulled by everyone from friends/family/government/big business; or you could argue that we simply haven't learned how to control and focus our instincts so that the likes of fear/pride/aggression are used to fit our interests.

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RE: Lambs to the slaughter - 8/23/2009 6:07:00 AM

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Well you know it's a bit like life under communism where the people (sheeple, proletariat, whatever you prefer) ruled by the governments and big businesses (actually state controlled industries and corporate businesspeople rich enough to pay the bribes) but keep it dark and don't tell anyone otherwise they'll all start getting upset and emotional and start meaningless arguments about semantics and labels..

Better still replace the word 'communism' with 'capitalism' and totalitarianism with 'democracy' and they'll keep calm and even might start agreeing with you.

Some won't even be able to tell the difference.

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RE: Lambs to the slaughter - 8/23/2009 7:00:49 AM

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Well you know it's a bit like life under communism where the people (sheeple, proletariat, whatever you prefer) ruled by the governments and big businesses (actually state controlled industries and corporate businesspeople rich enough to pay the bribes) but keep it dark and don't tell anyone otherwise they'll all start getting upset and emotional and start meaningless arguments about semantics and labels..

Better still replace the word 'communism' with 'capitalism' and totalitarianism with 'democracy' and they'll keep calm and even might start agreeing with you.

Some won't even be able to tell the difference.

i actually did a 'greedy top' snort here and my fizzy drink shot up my nose

still laughing....,

calling what we all live under as democratic is the biggest joke. but the system works in one way. when the sheeple get annoyed and dissatisfied the demographic rulers of the world do respond, but usually only when there is an election coming up.

what astonishes me is out of all the people in the world, why do we end up with the arseholes we vote for. is it a) lack of choice b) lack of choice or c) lack of choice.

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RE: Lambs to the slaughter - 8/23/2009 7:02:23 AM

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Ill go with errrrrm d) lack of choice:)

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RE: Lambs to the slaughter - 8/23/2009 7:34:49 AM

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