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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 8:23:54 AM   
CaringandReal


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ORIGINAL: DomCoupleBeijing

I suspect that a formal study would reveal that BDSM psychology occurs most readily in countries like the U.S. (I'm from the U.S.) that lack a proper social security net and that possess a highly polarized income distribution. Given a BDSM context, "trickle down" economics takes on its true face!.........



Interesting idea there, that a country's economic realities might shape its population's sexual preferences to some degree. It fits, though, at least with economic theory I have read.

And I agree that the specific act the thread starter metioned has pushed a lot of respondents' emotional buttons, so they're focusing on the trees rather than the far more interesting "forest" issue of stripping down and rebuilding, however it may be done. In most cases, stripping down, to work effectively, has to be difficult on the submissive, which means taking away things (like perhaps hair) that they regard as very important or an intergal part of their identity (physical things or symbols that represent identity are not identity, of course, but can be mistaken for it--that's why their loss is difficult to bear and aids the stripping process). The distress and discomfort that a submissive feels during such a process may be disturbing to an overly solitious dominant, and so I suspect stripping and rebuilding is not something engaged in by many couples. This process, however it is done or whether it is done, is not purely newbie jackoff fantasy, it's a practical tool, and a quite effective and well-documented one, at that. How it is applied (or if it is applied at all) to a partner one cares about, is, of course, the issue that each individual bdsm relationship must find its own solution to.

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As for the protests that one couldn't go to work with a bald head, that strikes me as turning a strong personal discomfort with something (a want) into an (imagined quite possibly) economic necessity (a need). Turning wants into needs reminds me of turning straw into gold. It's a trick that submissive minds get good at playing on themselves and it even works on one's partner who sometimes is far too concerned with our immediate happiness than with the long-term benefits of discipline.

BUT... there is this nifty (and apparently little known in these parts) invention known as the wig. Properly fitted, nobody except a professional hairdresser will know there's no hair underneath. Nobody will see you as weird or freaky or not worthy of hiring/employing when you wear one. They are well accepted in this society. Most people, unless they also wear wigs, probably won't even notice you're wearing one to begin with.

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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 8:31:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

BUT... there is this nifty (and apparently little known in these parts) invention known as the wig. Properly fitted, nobody except a professional hairdresser will know there's no hair underneath. Nobody will see you as weird or freaky or not worthy of hiring/employing when you wear one. They are well accepted in this society. Most people, unless they also wear wigs, probably won't even notice you're wearing one to begin with.



Lush, so is the dominant willing to pay the £100+ for a decent wig, if so, sure I wouldn't see a problem, course it would have to be in a relationship that was pretty damn solid as even this thread shows many people don't find it that attractive.

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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 1:23:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The whole idea that a dom can only have a "decent" slave by "tearing" him/her down to the studs, and building them up into what the dom wants strikes me as arrogant psychobabble.
Luckily for most of us, our signifigant others like/love/appreciate us the way we are - with maybe minor tweeking.  And usually our hair doesn't enter into the tweeking factor.

To our hair shaving bucksome laddy OP - good luck on your search .

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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 2:25:04 PM   
AnimusRex


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Status: offline 		Echoing what kiwisub said-
The whole notion of needing to "tear down" a submissive and "rebuild" her is straight out of erotic novels; Hell, submissive women WANT to surrender, and CRAVE obeying. It is only in works of fiction that unwilling women are "forced" into slavery, and overwhelmed by some mysterious Master mojo.

When Doms do the whole "prove you love Me" business it always sounds to Me like needy insecurity.

If you have a fetish or erotic desire for shaving her head, I bet there are a few women who share that kink.
Find each other, go for it, and enjoy every minute- just don't pretend you are somehow overhauling a human soul like a 1965 Mustang.

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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 4:52:25 PM   
slaveluci


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ORIGINAL: bigsweetmaster
My thought is that all subs build up a lot of walls to get through life and to be normal.

Nope, not "all." Not me.
quote:

I think that taking away all the slave's clothing and shaving their heads is a good why to remove all the barriers.

Perhaps for some but not for me. It would be so hard to fit in at work where I'm earning a fat-ass check to bring home to Him

luci

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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 5:10:23 PM   
catize


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 My question is, would you do this? 


My question to you would be, how would you go about ‘re-building’ this broken, bald, and naked submissive?  What would be your plan?  And what qualifications do you have that would make anyone think you were capable of making this a positive experience rather than a damaging one?   

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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 5:10:30 PM   
Leiren


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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 5:14:15 PM   
SweetNika


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ORIGINAL: Leiren

quote:

ORIGINAL: bigsweetmaster

This was more a question for slaves and their thoughts. But it did explain why an older dude was viewing my profile. 


If I were you I wouldn't be nearly as concerned with who's viewing your profile. If I were you, I'd be more concerned about how many women would agree to have their heads shaved. Most women (unless you keep her chained in a closet) would find it necessary to leave your home and appear in public at some point.

Your fetish may be a bald s-type, but I think you'll be waiting a long time before you find one.


I had my head totally shaved for 7 mths and I went out of the house on a daily bssis, even held a professional job. So it can be done.

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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 5:16:46 PM   
Leiren


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Not intended to reply to anyone in particular. I told my Sir about this fetish that this one particular guy has. My Sir responded by relating that he once read a BDSM erotica story (translate: FICTION) where a male dominant / Master shaved his slave's head because she was vain about her 'glorious, long mane of hair'.

According to my Sir, the fictional story revolved around a 'slave' who was vain and spent hours a day on her hair. She (according to the fictional story) also spent hundreds of dollars on hair products, hair salon visits to cut her hair and color it, and several hundred dollars every year on hair maintenance products.

She received several (fictional) punishments and when she ignored them, she was warned (fictionally) that the next punishment would be one she would not be able to shrug off or ignore.

You all guessed the ending by now, I presume. Said 'slave' ignored the warnings of punishment. Her Master then invited several of their kinky friends to their home to witness her humiliation as he shaved her bald in front of the kinky crowd who showed up.

This crap only works as fiction despite the fetish the OP seems to have for bald s type. Maybe he should spend less time reading porn and more time researching what it takes to make a REAL relationship work.

There's a huge difference in one particular fetish (his being a bald slave), versus a long term, real relationship.

Personally? My Sir prefers my long hair because it's a useful tool to either yank on to elicit a 'damn that hurts' pain response, or more frequently an instant sub-space response.

Long hair is also useful if a dominant is into bondage as long hair can be used to very effectively put a s-type on her tip toes when her long hair is used to bind her to the ceiling so she can't rest on her feet without pulling her own hair out.



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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 5:27:23 PM   
Leiren


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ORIGINAL: SweetNika

I had my head totally shaved for 7 mths and I went out of the house on a daily bssis, even held a professional job. So it can be done.


Hello SweetNika:

I'm not saying it CAN'T be done. And maybe you were happy and proud to to acquiesce to having your head shaved.

My only intent was to say that from the OP's POV it seems to be more of a wank off fetish rather than any real intent at establishing a real D/s or M/s relationship.

No offense intended toward you.


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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 5:35:11 PM   
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There are a lot of women out there without hair because of chemotherapy who manage to go about their daily lives bald or with a head covering/wig.
 
 

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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 6:03:58 PM   
krikket


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Status: offline 		So many great replies, too many to thank (both fem/male; dom/sub) and while i'm not sure my own post will add much that's rarely stopped me before..lol.  In answer to your question, i try really hard to never say never, so i guess it's possible, but hardly likely.  Having said that, i'd also like to add...

To the OP: 
i read your profile, noted your age and wonder at your experience off line, real life, face to face, heart to heart, but that's not the point of my post.  i couldn't help but notice that you write only of what the slave will do for you.  Therefore, i'm prompted to ask -- as the dom what, exactly, will do you do for her?  The D/s life is a two way street, a two sided coin, a dance (all phrases used almost to the point of being trite, but still very true).  If you think that my question is inappropriate because of my age (yeah, i know i'm "getting" to be an old lady, but please bear with me and think again).  i've been at this a long time now, and while i find my center, my focus and my center in serving my Master/Dom, i also need to know that he needs me as much as i need him.  i have my own needs, as he has his, and will only be truly happy when he's willing to share his life, his thoughts, feelings and love with me.  (...and yes, love can be a big part of a D/s relationship)  i need to feel cared for and protected as much as i need to submit.  i need the freedom to reach for his hand as we walk down the street as much i need the feel of his whip.  i need the freedom to curl up in his arms (on the sofa, bed or floor) and the look in his eyes as much as i need to surrender. 

i think i bring a great deal to a relationship, both kink, D/s and nilla..and consider myself normal.  However, since "normal" is mentioned in your OP, i'm also prompted to ask what exactly is your definition of normal?  i strongly suspect that there are as many ways to define normal as there are Dom/Master/Sub/Slave, so please don't answer too quickly. 

i don't mean any disrespect with my questions or statements, and i hope you're able to read and learn from what so many here have taken the time and effort to write.  i'm so proud to be a member of this community, and hope that one day you'll understand exactly what that means.

krikket


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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 6:15:29 PM   
leadership527


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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex
...Hell, submissive women WANT to surrender, and CRAVE obeying...

Wow! So I'm not the only one that noticed that? Honestly I read lots of posts on collarme from both doms and subs and it would seem that particular point is forgotten.


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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 6:17:46 PM   
DavanKael


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Status: offline 		Yes, Jeff, but I really don't think that you'd jump into the perpetual nudity and headshaving camp. 
I definitely think what you agreed with above is a truism but the premise of this thread is mostly fantasy-based. 
  Davan

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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 6:23:59 PM   
MastersPanda


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Status: offline 		I used to have long hair, I had been growing it for about 4 years. When Master and I got together he told me his preference for short hair. I didn't want to cut mine, but eventually did on my own because I knew it would make him extremely happy. Had he forced me to do it, I would have as I obey him always, but it would have been a much more painful experience. If he ordered me to shave my head i would do it. I would not want to but being a slave i don't always get what i want :) Case in point, I am a slave and I desire to obey and serve. Master did not need to order me to cut my hair, i wanted him to be happy with my appearance so i cut it myself.  I realize the isn't the exact scenario you are describing but it may be better to find a slave who wants to obey you, not someone you feel you need to break down.

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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 6:24:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		All the 'break them down' bollox tends to come from those who are not actualy Dominant in the first place, they can't handle or control a girl who have any confidence or self esteme. They need an unquestioning robot that provides no challenge, because their "Dominance" will vanish like the morning mist if it is pushed against in the slightest.

I deal with slaves, I deal with STRONG girls, the two are NOT mutualy exclusive. IT is who the girl is as a person that makes Me want to Own her rather than another, why FFS would I want to break that down and strip it away, shape it certainly, mold it, make it stronger, accentuate those parts that draw Me to find her interesting enough to warrent My attention.


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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 6:29:19 PM   
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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/23/2009 11:52:00 PM   
Acer49


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ORIGINAL: bigsweetmaster

I am in search of a true slave to belong to me in a 247 D/s relationship.
My thought is that all subs build up a lot of walls to get through life and to be normal. I feel that a sub must be stripped of everything and brought down to a very basic level to be rebuilt into a slave.

I think that taking away all the slave's clothing and shaving their heads is a good why to remove all the barriers.

My question is, would you do this?

Mark


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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/24/2009 5:05:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		My Master bought a Chrysler 300C that we have been customizing as time and money permit.  Master did not buy a Chevy Malibu with the plan to strip it to its frame and build the 300C.  He bought what He wanted and modified it to suit His whim, His preferences, His own style.  He collared me because He wanted me.  I have modified many things to suit His whim, His preferences, His style.  He did not need to break me down and rebuild me into something I was not.

As I mentioned in another thread, I have not changed who I am, I have changed how I am.

That being said, Master also likes, for the purpose of play, for me to be a more basic thing.  We accomplish this with the tightly fitted latex hood.  In this I have no hair and actually no face.  I used to see pictures of these creatures and thought they looked silly and could not understand the appeal.  But now I understand, at least for me.  Taking away everything that physically identifies me as me puts me into a mindset I really can't explain other than (again I'm only speaking for myself) I become an object which its only fuctions and definitions are defined by the user of that object. 

So an alternative to actually shaving the head, a hood could serve much the same purpose in helping someone achieve a desired mindset.    Just sayin'.

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RE: Female slaves Headshaved - 8/24/2009 6:47:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bigsweetmaster

My question is, would you do this?




If I believed the circumstances were apropriate, and it was necessary toward my becoming ‘slave’; yes.

If it were more a matter of getting there faster; it would depend on the situation I was in at the time.

If I were basing my decision on the thoughts presented in the OP; probably not.

Kim

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