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RE: Dying well - 9/19/2009 11:03:09 AM   
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Hello All,
It is not in the dying that is "dying well".  It is in the living.  To live well, to live every day as much as we possibly can, to live with passion and truth and courage and peace, THAT is what dying well means. 

May we all live until we die.

Blessings,
sunshine

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RE: Dying well - 9/20/2009 1:27:52 PM   
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If i was to die tomorrow and knew it i would be worrying... i expect that it would be because my house isnt as tidy as i want to be and i would feel sorry for the person who has to clear it. I would worry that the animals were not fed and in my absence someone might forget. i would worry about the ums and unpaid bills. Seems funny as in life i am no way near such a worrier as this makes me out too be. But if i knew i was going to die i know my main concern would be the 101 jobs i should have to complete before i could ever feel relaxed enough 'to go' . In fact i would probably be making a list and crossing the things i have to do off one by one.

So, for me personally to 'die well' would mean free from responsibility and free from worry of the usual things i need to take care of. x

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RE: Dying well - 9/21/2009 8:25:57 AM   
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Then you have learned nothing from death, serisa.

If a car runs you over tomorrow, you will leave 101 things undone, and only in your dying moments would you worry about them?

Take care of those things now, in order of priority, and you will have taken something valuable from death.

For example, make sure someone knows about the pets and will feed them if you end up in the hospital or die. Consider who would make good step-parents to the kids if you were to die, and put that information in your will and/or inform your next of kin. Tell them how much you love them, and anything else you would have liked to say to them if you knew you were going to die soon. Do the same for the rest of your family. Mend relations with anyone you'd want to make up with before dying- whatever got between you, if it wouldn't stop you from talking to them on your death bed, it shouldn't stop you now, either. Make sure the house is in an acceptable condition. Take care of the critical bills and make sure you have up to date papers (if even just a notebook) that show what bills are unpaid, what debts you owe and are owed, what insurance policies you have, what significant property you own, and so forth.

We are never free from the responsibilities we take upon ourselves, and we only worry about them when we haven't yet dealt adequately with them.

I know it can sometimes seem like everyday living has to take precedence, but speaking both from the perspective of someone who has only one important thing undone (and is working on resolving that), and also from the perspective of someone who has had to deal with the premature loss of a parent in an extremely beurocratic country (some of the paperwork is still ongoing, almost a year to the day later), that's just getting your priorities mixed up. Unless you are in a survival situation, or have taken on too much work and responsibility to handle, then it is the everyday grind you don't have time for, because the things you would not want to leave undone are the things that are actually important. Don't put in more grinding than you have time for after dealing with the important things.

If you were tied to a bomb that would go off in an hour, with no way to avoid it, how would you spend that hour?

That is how you should spend your next hour after reading this post.

Because that's what is truly important.

Health,
al-Aswad.


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RE: Dying well - 9/21/2009 10:50:02 AM   
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Hello everyone,

This reminded me of a wonderful story a dear friend related.  He had written his mother a letter 20 years before she died.  He told her ten things that she had taught him / reasons he loved her.  When she died, they found the letter, dog eared and yellowed, stained, and deeply creased, in the night stand next to her bed.  She had obviously folded and unfolded it over and over again.

To know that his mother was aware of his love gave my friend peace when she died.  He did not suffer the guilt of "did I do enough?  Did she know I loved her?"

Well wishes,
sunshine

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Tell them how much you love them, and anything else you would have liked to say to them if you knew you were going to die soon. Do the same for the rest of your family.




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RE: Dying well - 9/21/2009 12:34:08 PM   
serisa


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

Then you have learned nothing from death, serisa.

If a car runs you over tomorrow, you will leave 101 things undone, and only in your dying moments would you worry about them?

Take care of those things now, in order of priority, and you will have taken something valuable from death.

For example, make sure someone knows about the pets and will feed them if you end up in the hospital or die. Consider who would make good step-parents to the kids if you were to die, and put that information in your will and/or inform your next of kin. Tell them how much you love them, and anything else you would have liked to say to them if you knew you were going to die soon. Do the same for the rest of your family. Mend relations with anyone you'd want to make up with before dying- whatever got between you, if it wouldn't stop you from talking to them on your death bed, it shouldn't stop you now, either. Make sure the house is in an acceptable condition. Take care of the critical bills and make sure you have up to date papers (if even just a notebook) that show what bills are unpaid, what debts you owe and are owed, what insurance policies you have, what significant property you own, and so forth.

We are never free from the responsibilities we take upon ourselves, and we only worry about them when we haven't yet dealt adequately with them.

I know it can sometimes seem like everyday living has to take precedence, but speaking both from the perspective of someone who has only one important thing undone (and is working on resolving that), and also from the perspective of someone who has had to deal with the premature loss of a parent in an extremely beurocratic country (some of the paperwork is still ongoing, almost a year to the day later), that's just getting your priorities mixed up. Unless you are in a survival situation, or have taken on too much work and responsibility to handle, then it is the everyday grind you don't have time for, because the things you would not want to leave undone are the things that are actually important. Don't put in more grinding than you have time for after dealing with the important things.

If you were tied to a bomb that would go off in an hour, with no way to avoid it, how would you spend that hour?

That is how you should spend your next hour after reading this post.

Because that's what is truly important.
this pos
Health,
al-Aswad.

Thank you al-Aswad

Your words were very wise and did make me think alot. They did strike a chord with me and make me examine my life and wish i could make changes but to be brutally honest dont know to.

I am a single mum with three ums, ages from 2 to 10, my son has autism and everyday is a constant struggle to get the things done that i need to. I have not always been a single mum, i am now divorced but was once part of a 'typical' family. Every day for me is a list of 101 things to get done which i try my best but never quite achieve. I would love to get all these done today and not tomorrow but its not easy, hence why that to die with everything done (or as up to date as possible) would be for me to die peacefully.

I have a Master who is 30 years older than me. He has lived on his own for the past 30 years as a single man. I see him once per week... when he comes i work so hard to get the place ready for him after the chaos the kids leave behind, he is also the father of my youngest child. I would like to see him more and cater to his needs more... obviously thats up to him and what he wants but it is always in the back of my mind that he feels i have so much on my plate that i am not capable of doing any more than i do already. The possibility that he may think that does get me down alot as i wish i could do more to serve him... just dont know how to do it.

Thats why for me i think that to die free from worry of what i have and have not acheived would be the ultimate peace of mind for me. Sometimes its hard to even sleep at night at all knowing the outstanding jobs... let alone the satisfaction i know i would need to die peacefully, i would want to be here to 'sort it out'. When you are alive you can get as much done today as possible but leave the rest until tomorrow. When you are dead there is no tomorrow, and the exact reason today is so important... which i think in some ways is what you are trying to say - and i agree. i just want to make everyone happy to tell you the truth. but i have found out that no matter how hard i try i am just human and not some super woman. Its a bit of a bad realisation because as much as i want to give my ums my all... i wish i could serve my Master better too

Best wishes

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RE: Dying well - 9/27/2009 4:17:37 PM   
Aswad


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Hey, serisa.

I can relate to being in an overwhelming situation from past experience. In general, however, it has also been my distinct impression that it is easier to get into the habit of being overwhelmed than to actually be- and remain- overwhelmed. At some point, it becomes clear that one is tilting at windmills, and that one needs to take a step back to reassess the whole situation. Usually, it is possible to reduce the amount of firefighting attended to, in order to accomodate efforts to improve the long term issues. It takes discipline to keep one's priorities straight "in the trenches," but it's the only way to get to a tenable situation.

And, frankly, if your master is the father of your youngest child, he should take steps to improve the situation.

The things about death is that you don't know when it will arrive. Superwoman or not, if you would feel that you had left anything undone, or inappropriately handled, if that day arrived today, then there is something you should be doing now. Whether that is adjusting your perceptions and goals, or acting differently to realize them, will be an individual question. But it is a good yardstick, even in an otherwise untenable situation. For instance, there are times when one will bite off too much, or hold oneself to a standard that can only permit failure, and at those times, those goals must be revised, or our perceptions adjusted. This yardstick tells us that there is something we are not doing right, and usually points us in the general direction of what it is.

In any case, best of luck in resolving the situation.

Health,
al-Aswad.



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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
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RE: Dying well - 12/21/2009 11:11:38 AM   
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Greetings all.

I have walked the Warrior path since I was quite young. I spent quite a few years studying Japanese and Chinese traditions as well as, later, Native American Warrior traditions as that is part of my heritage. In my youth I came to believe that the best way to die was in combat; preferably while fighting for something worthwhile or defending something worth one's life. I abhorred the 'straw death' and considered such a passing to be dishonorable.
Yet, as I grew older I saw some shining examples of what it was to die in different, yet equally honorable ways.

My Warrior-Society brother died while heroically attempting to save people from a burning bus that had overturned.

My Native grandfather, at 91, learning he had terminal stomach cancer, said his goodbyes and then simply walked away into the Canadian wilderness to pass to the Spirit world in peace; in the Old Way.

My Uncle went fishing one day and didn't come back. He was found leaning against a tree, fishing pole still in hand; a smile on his face. He was very old and had simply...stopped.

My mentor in the Warrior Ways for years, a retired military officer,  was killed by a stray round while he was doing some 'consulting' work in south east Asia during one of their innumerable conflicts.

My father died of Leukemia, with dignity and honor in hospital, surrounded by family, at age 67.

None of these was the 'glorious' death I had believed appropriate for a Warrior when I was younger, yet I saw that it was the 'spirit' in which each of these noble fellows passed that counted. None of them were what I would have counted as being a ticket to Valhalla at another time, yet these were all 'good' deaths, if there is such a thing as a 'good' death.

I guess to me, dying well is to pass in the best way you reasonably can, given the circumstances and hope to leave fond memories for those who you leave behind.

As to the transition to the Cities of Dust; who can say, eh?

Just my two tarsk bits on the subject.

Be well

Qorvas

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RE: Dying well - 12/21/2009 12:25:00 PM   
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How many more dead threads are you planning on pulling up -- i think this is 5 now?   I mean i am all for people reading the archives but pulling up thread after thread after thread that has been discussed among many of us is ridiculous especially when its what 5 dead threads you have resurrected in the space of an hour or so?

No pun intended with regard to the thread.  But this is not allowing threads to die well when most that you are pulling up have been discussed and allowed to die by most of the Goreans who post in this forum.

angel

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RE: Dying well - 12/21/2009 7:01:56 PM   
Qorvas


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Actually, what I thought I was doing, as I am new to the list - was participating.

Perhaps you have nothing better to do than stir up shit?

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