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With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/5/2009 1:45:54 PM

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You are a citizen on Gor.

One day, somehow, the news breaks all across the planet--the Priest-Kings are not Gods. Their nature is now known, that they are an alien species with superior technology.

Doubtless multiple issues and positions on those issues would quickly arise. Among these--should the aliens be overthrown?

You also learn of the Kurii, that the Priest-Kings have prevented their takeover of Gor, and continue to do so. You are aware the Kurii have human agents, as do the Priest-Kings. Their nature is also now known, and that they too have superior technology.

What would you do? Is it time to oust the outsiders? Or do you keep the powerful global governance in place as beneficial, or at least necessary? Or do you replace it? With what? And how will you convince or contain those who disagree with you, who take other courses of action? What will be the short-term and long-term consequences of your decisions and actions?

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/5/2009 1:51:09 PM

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Tal! What a brilliant exercise; kudos to You, Sir, and I shall definitely be keeping an eye on this one..
Live long and prosper.. oops, I mean live well (sorry, wrong genre).

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/6/2009 9:16:55 AM

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Tal Tim,

I had a response to this typed out sometime around 4am. Though I was half lit so I guess that it's good I must have not posted it. I do remember my theory on this however.

The Kurii would be a bad choice as their purpose is to conquer both the world of Gor and the world of Earth. This information now being known I would side with the Priest-Kings (at least for now) for a few reasons.

The main reason being that Goreans on the whole already live under the laws of the Priest-Kings. They may not have known it to be so at one time but now that is ousted it is still what they are conditioned to follow. Not only that, it is familiar space and familiarity means things are more comfortable.

Siding along with the Priest-Kings would allow the Gorean race to survive, they have for thousands of years before.

Stamp out the Kurii, then address the Priest-Kings. See if there is some diplomacy there. They may have controlled Gor unbeknown to the Goreans but they also protected her and gave her safe harbour from the Kurii.

I wish you well,
Scott

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/6/2009 11:53:26 AM

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I would have to choose the Preist Kings, for several reasons.

1. They are familiar to me and have allowed the gorean race to not only live but prosper.
2. I am not on the menu of the Priest King, where the Kurri might indeed choose to have me for dinner.

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/6/2009 1:34:33 PM

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Not sure how you could remain the slave of an alien species once you realized that is what you were without trying to do something about it.... but then again... you are kind of helpless if they have superior technology.

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/6/2009 1:43:10 PM

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Tal Tim. Please excuse Me, it's been awhile since I've read up; I wonder if You would be so kind as to refresh Me: does everyone have the device planted in them by which the PK's are said to retain all control (that shorts you out if you disobey), or simply certain individuals? And what of the rest of the technology in question: how much would Wwe have to fear of this, if Wwe chose to rebel..?

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/6/2009 2:34:40 PM

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Tal
It has been awhile, but in response to this, it was never really established the Priest-Kings were godes. It only referres that they maybe goddes but there was no absolute certainty. Those that live below the mountain would continue to look at the Priest-Kings as the Rulers of Gor regardless of their status...who wants to be reduced to ashes anyway?

The Kurii never attempted to make a claim to being Goddes.

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/8/2009 6:28:35 AM

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Greetings

First of all what are a God? In our day and age a God is an ethereal thing, unknowable, a thing of Spirit, but in many earlier cultures a God was simply a creature with far more power than an average man or woman, but they where still seen as flesh and blood creatures. Like the Vikings who at least in the beginning of the time period where their culture dominated Scandinavia, who saw the Gods as powerful beings with magical powers, and gaining their favor or wrath could help or hinder you, but they where still men, men who loved and lost and who could even die, though this was not common as their magic kept them alive, but they could. You sided with a God much as you sided with a mortal leader, choosing someone who stood for what was important to you and the rest you tried to placate or fight against.

I am quite sure the Vikings would see the Priest Kings as God whatever or not they knew they where aliens, they where a powerful race with magic like technology, and the choice would be like for any God, would you follow them, try to placate them, or take up arms against them?

But let us assume for the sake of your question that I was a free woman of Gor who got the news that my Gods was flesh and blood aliens, with more aliens on the way, that they had held back my people's development for their own goals, what would I do? Well that would depend allot on the situation I was in. Most likely I would have a free Companion, and my first act would be to break my contract with him. Most likely I would have been sold to this man by my father or brothers and he would not have been a mate of my own choice. I would have entered the marriage under the treath of death or slavery or at least torture if I disobeyed the men in my family. Now the main basis for the men's God given right to treat me so would be the belief that the Priest Kings had made women to serve men, obviously this was not true, and I would be under no Spiritual obligation to remain the servant, in reality the slave of the men in my family.

Yes I know some of you will scream, a free woman is not a slave. But yes, on Gor, she is a slave just by another word, if you have no choice but to obey the laws of men, and if you do not you will be killed or enslaved or forced to obey and you do not have the will or courage to stand up and say no. I do not care if you kill me, I will not follow your laws. If what you believe and what you do with your life is not your choice, then you are a slave. And how could I even start to consider what to do with my Gods turning out to be aliens before had the freedom to choose in my own home? I would tell my Companion, my father and my brothers, they you are better fighters than me, but I am taking back the right to my own life. You may kill me, slap a collar on me and whip me, keep it up and eventually you will break me, but I will fight you every step of the way. The priest Kings are not Gods, I do no longer have to accept my pace as a woman. If you kill me for this rebellion, then I die free, I will be a slave to men no more. You can kill me, hold me down and rape me, but you can no longer own me.

Then assuming my family did not kill me, I would either be on my way, or if my Companion was someone I cared for, then I would ask him to be my free Companion again, but this time I would join with him of my own free will. Now, I am not here talking about being equal with a man, equal means the same and I can never be a man, and a man can never be a woman. I am talking about demanding to be free, not just because men allow me to be free, but because I choose to be free.

This done I would have to consider the situation with the Priest Kings very carefully. Why had they done what they did? Why keep humanity at this planet? What would be the benefit and drawbacks of continuing to be loyal to these flesh and blood Gods? They had obviously given my planet much benefit. The Stabilizer serums had given me perfect health and taken away aging. Barring getting wounded or killed I could live forever, always as young as I was that very day. They had given my pepole a land to grow strong in, in many ways they had governed well. Would abandoning these Gods rob my world of these benefits, and would it be worth it? Could the Physicians create the Stabilizer serums? Or would we be cut of from it. Would fighting the Priest Kings remove the slavery of tyrant Gods only to replace it with the slavery of age? Would I have to stand by a grave and see my grandchildren buried, see them turn old and infirm while I still reminded as young as I was this day? What would my world do without it's leaders? Was their protection from creatures like the Kurii, and perhaps other aliens out there? Like the old Vikings I would consider if I could agree with theese physical Gods, if defying them was worth the price.

If I decided that the Priest Kings was the best thing for Gor then I would swear my loyalty to them and carry on as before. Physical or Spiritual, it would make no difference. These beings would be as Gods for me anyway and they would to my mind be beneficial Gods, serving them was worth it, they where good rulers worthy of my respect, and my worship. If however I decided that the Priest Kings was Tyrants who kept my pepole enslaved for their own purposes, if I decided I would like my grandchildren to have a world different than this one, to have technological advances made by men, not handed down as gifts from living Gods. Then I would take up whatever arms I could find, and I would make my way to the Prist King's mountain. Hopefully I would find others who believed as me on the way, I would recruit as many to the fight as I could, and fight those that stood in my way and leave the rest be. And then I would fight until I was either death or the Priest Kings was dead or left my planet I would say, it is better to die now trying to do something about this, trying to overthrow these tyrants than to live a slave to them, and I would look at my children and say, it is better they die now, or later eaten or killed by the Kurii, then to live their lives as slaves. Though if I decided to fight I would try to get my children to safety first, if at all possible, but if I had no choice, I would give them weapons and tell them to defend themself and go out and fight anyway.

In either way, whatever I sided with the Priest Kings or not, I would make sure it was my choice, and my choice alone. No more should do, no more Divine law demands, it would only be me, and I would decide for myself whatever or not the Priest Kings was good for Gor or not, and the number of pepole who decided the same as my would determine if my wish for the world would come true. I could not decide for them. But I could decided and act for myself.

Be well

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/8/2009 7:51:08 AM

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Wow nephandi,
You really are a FW, because i will tell you, i might try to convince the men in my life of my own opinion, but in the end, i, as a woman, would not take it upon myself to determine how to deal with such a matter... way beyond the scope of what I would feel appropriate for me.

Yes, I have intelligence and perspective that I would appreciate being able to share it with influential men if they allowed me, and even if they didn't... being one who tends to 'run at the mouth' at times (I have a brain and I like being able to use it), I would probably share my thoughts and endure the beating after if need be, knowing that even as I am being whipped, the man has heard what my opinion was and he can do with that information now as he pleases.

But to me... I believe the ultimate decision on how to handle the situation is ultimately that of men, with the input of women as appropriate.

I obviously, am not one that is looking forward to our first female President. Male leadership makes me feel safe. I thought this was a common feeling between woman who identified as Gorean, slave or free... but perhaps I was mistaken.

~sgs

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/8/2009 3:10:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetgirlserves

i, as a woman, would not take it upon myself to determine how to deal with such a matter...

I believe the turn of phrase you're searching for may be "[...] i, as a slave, [...]".

The FW may certainly object if they think "as a woman" is supposed to be the crux of the matter.

Health,
al-Aswad.

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/8/2009 5:56:47 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessImaginos

Tal Tim. Please excuse Me, it's been awhile since I've read up; I wonder if You would be so kind as to refresh Me: does everyone have the device planted in them by which the PK's are said to retain all control (that shorts you out if you disobey), or simply certain individuals? And what of the rest of the technology in question: how much would Wwe have to fear of this, if Wwe chose to rebel..?

Greetings Free and property.
Hi GoddessImaginos :)

There was never any mention of any implanted devices; however, if one were to disobey the Priest Kings technology restrictions, he would explode in a blue ball of fire. As far as I remember, no one lived to disobey that rule twice.

Respectfully,

amy

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/8/2009 11:02:08 PM

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Theoretically.

In practice, the PK had a finite number of orbiting craft monitoring the planet and administering the flame death. There is much to suggest that they had overextended themselves and expended a lot of resources, and as such were making a significant effort to appear more powerful than they actually were (although certainly formidable anyway). That's a common tactic among animals, including humans, and there's no reason to suspect the PK would be unaware of it, or that they would not use it, whether they had need for it or not.

Given a unity of purpose and commitment, the citizens of Gor could certainly make a difference in this regard. The PKs populated their planet with people for a reason, whatever it might be, and in realizing that, one has realized that one has the upper hand if nobody will bow to threats. Kill the slaves and children, who can be persuaded or coerced away from the plan. Burn the cities, villages and crops. Salt the earth. Then march on the Sardar mountains. Those in back kill any who turn back. Anyone struck by the flame death throw themselves to the ground so as to make their corpses easier to walk or climb over. At some point, with the armed horde climbing over the mountains of fallen, the PK will realize they have lost whatever they sought to gain by having those people there in the first place, that these are people who will not wear their collar- regardless of the threat- and that they will not be dissuaded in their purpose. When day breaks, their weakness to the sun will drive them back, for that matter, and I suspect they're quite aware of that.

Actually, the PK are in a problematic situation that resembles what the US military faces with insurgents: they have a lot of firepower, and can take out large targets with relative ease, but have a much harder time of taking out a lot of smaller ones and certainly can't begin to go after a lot of small targets if collateral damage is a real concern.

It has been made fairly clear that the PKs cannot relocate again easily, and that they barely have the resources to stave off the Kuri incursions, and not enough manpower to track them down on the ground (they will destroy their ships to prevent the inhabitants of Gor from obtaining the means to pose a threat, but that's one large, stationary target). Hell, it seems likely that humans were largely placed there as a combination of amusement (PK culture has been on the decline, and some are even going emo and committing suicide by beetle, after all) and a protective measure. During the day, the PK are hampered. If the Kuri were to attack during the day, the PK would be hard pressed to keep them from invading the Sardar mountain complex.

I suspect the PK fear the Kuri. And a horde of humans with unwavering determination and unleashed savagery may well be every bit as fearsome. When Frank Herbert, in the Dune series, described the native Fremen using their own newborn as blunt weapons to attack the enemy with when they were cornered, he was drawing on historical precedent. The human animal spans a very wide range of behavior, from more savage than the Kuri, to more rational than the PKs, depending on circumstances and cultural norms.

Anyway, just some idle thoughts. To properly address the full topic of the thread would take months of thought, and be on par with the work that would be needed to write a series in which just such a thing happens. Tempting, but a bit past what I am willing to invest in a scenario set in a setting whose copyright holder quite aggressively pursues any attempts at treating his work as a cultural legacy, rather than a fully owned thing that people get to pay to have a look at but may not interact with in any other way without legal repercussions (though, certainly, some things are still protected under fair use, for now).

Suffice to say that I do not subscribe to the notion that the citizens of Gor would be helpless on account of PK tech.

Although, I don't think they're the kind of people to realize it, or act on the realization, either...

Health,
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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/11/2009 12:18:24 PM

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Greetings Tim,

It's always man's nature to aspire for greater power. To 'oust' the Priest Kings would certainly be high on the list for anyone who wished to grasp greater power; whomever controls the power of the Priest Kings obviously controls the planet. Yet short of inhabiting the same planet, language, and a few common moral views, I find it unlikely that any solidified cities could possibly co-operate long enough to achieve this goal. The immediate and obvious problem, being how would cities constantly at war possibly determine a means with which to share the power they have attained.

Aswad; as a brief thought, it isn't a question of the number of 'flame death' strikes that are possible. All that would be necessary to end any uprising would be to flame-death any Ubar or Administrator foolish enough to take the position. Nuke enough leaders, and people quickly learn to avoid leadership.

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/11/2009 3:38:18 PM

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Hey again, Stephan. Long time, no see.

I definitely see your argument and agree that if it were done in that way, the would-be uprisers would fail, even if they somehow were able to agree to cooperate, which seems about as likely as the non-violent emergence of a united world government on Earth before 2010. Anyway, if it were to have a chance of succeeding, you would need a charismatic leader that makes a suitable martyr, and a way to get the message to enough people, presumably the same way the news hypothetically made it to everyone.

Even so, I still think the main obstacle would be the willingness of the people of Gor to wear the PKs collar.

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/11/2009 6:59:01 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetgirlserves
But to me... I believe the ultimate decision on how to handle the situation is ultimately that of men, with the input of women as appropriate.

I obviously, am not one that is looking forward to our first female President. Male leadership makes me feel safe. I thought this was a common feeling between woman who identified as Gorean, slave or free... but perhaps I was mistaken.

~sgs

i, as a woman, would not take it upon myself to determine how to deal with such a matter...

I believe the turn of phrase you're searching for may be "[...] i, as a slave, [...]".

The FW may certainly object if they think "as a woman" is supposed to be the crux of the matter.

Health,
al-Aswad.

Aswad and sgs,

See Players of Gor, pp. 288-289.

Everyone else--thanks for the discussion so far. I'll share my thoughts too when I get a bit more time.

Live well, Priest-Kings or not,

Tim

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/12/2009 6:05:30 AM

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Tal Tim,

As I read through the books and relax with them in my knowledge of reading, I know that John Norman had a reason to try and bring everything together on a planet. I mean that he intended nature to become as one, and not have one species, man, become more previlent through technology. With this he wrote about the Priest-Kings and their blue flame of death. He wanted man to be on the same level as any other species.

He wanted man to fight with his agility and not superior weaponary, like here on earth. Look how many countries here have the ability of nuclear power and can build a nuclear bomb, place them upon Gor and see how stuffed up the whole planet would be. He wrote about the spider in Tarnsman. I mean how many countries here on earth would have hunted that spider down and disected it for scientific purposes. I think having the Priest-Kings as ....the police....on Gor was using some great thought. I mean having another species run the planet and have it balanced is just poetic justice against man kind.

Take this away and the world of Gor would just fall back into a shit hole like earth with destruction just around the corner. The beauty of Gor with nature in balance would just be a blot against man and his mindless goal of ruining something natural.

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/12/2009 8:26:20 AM

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Greetings

quote:

As I read through the books and relax with them in my knowledge of reading, I know that John Norman had a reason to try and bring everything together on a planet. I mean that he intended nature to become as one, and not have one species, man, become more previlent through technology. With this he wrote about the Priest-Kings and their blue flame of death. He wanted man to be on the same level as any other species.

It is rather clear the author's reasons for including the Priest Kings and the constraint on technology, to explain why we here have a society which is still stuck in the bronze age/ early middle ages and do not evolve. And it is also clear that having society in such a place would be beneficial for telling the story he did and making the points he made. The whole back to nature thing. Life seam pretty different when you have to fight predators away from your live stock with nothing but your bare hands and a knife, than when you can pick up a phone and call the exterminators. However as I have understood it, the point of the tread was not so much a discussion of the author's intentions with the Priest Kings as it is a discussion of what would happen in the setting. On Gor if it became clear the Priest Kings was flesh and blood. For while Norman see the point of having humanity kept at a certain technological level. I doubt a man or a woman on Gor itself would see the same benefit to their development being stumped.

I know that if I was to learn that I had been used, that my religion and entire existence had been based on a lie, then I would be rather pissed. Whatever or not the way my development had been stumped was good for the human Spirit or not would not really cross my mind. What would enrage me was that someone had taken the decision from me and kept me in the dark. Whatever or not they did it as beneficial rulers trying to keep the human Spirit alive or because they where tyrants which had some ulterior motive it would make me just as pissed. There are times I wish to buy a small farm someplace. Live with the seasons and as much of the land as I can, getting a bit back to nature. But whatever or not I would do this, I want it to be my choice, not some overlord who decides to make decisions for me. And if I had been a citizen of Gor, a society who after all have a philosophy full of the concepts of making ones own decisions and accepting the consequences of one's own actions, then I would certainly see the Priest King's actions as a violation, and I would have to decide for myself if they had violated me so much that it would be better to fight even with the overwhelming chance I die, or if it was a violation I would accept to have done to me for the benefits the creatures offered me.

quote:

He wrote about the spider in Tarnsman. I mean how many countries here on earth would have hunted that spider down and disected it for scientific purposes.

I do not see how the pepole of Gor is so much better here. No they did not hunt down the giant spiders to dissect them. The pepole of Ar hunted them down for sport because the giant spiders was pacifists and would not defend them self and the men of Ar saw this a a weakness. If the creatures would not defend their lives, then they had not right to those lives. Either way the giant spiders end up being killed.

I wish you well

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/12/2009 7:54:57 PM

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A couple of thoughts...

'Getting pissed' and going on your own little rampage is no way to address such a major opponent with the upper hand. FW or not, that kind of thinking is what causes more problems than anything.

Secondly, the real thing that actually is stunted in an environment created by the priest kings is imagination. The only reason our imagination develops is because we can see things to be different, better, etc ... and then take the steps to create what our imagination leads us to. With all the wonderful benefits of being held back technologically so that our natural biological selves can thrive... the biggest drawback is that the main thing that separates humans from other animals is our imagination... and that is what is the biggest 'crime' of the PK's against Gorean humanity.

~sgs

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/13/2009 6:31:59 AM

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Greetings

Getting pissed of do not mean that one act whiteout thinking. Being pissed of mean that one is angry, a very natural feeling do you not agree. One that if we are to live as nature intended we can not just ignore. Now I never said going on a rampage. I said that sometimes, you get to a point where you act even if it will lead to your death, because death in an attempt to chance the situation is better than life accepting it. Sometimes you get to a point where you say, I will not take this any longer. That is not loosing ones head and going on a rampage, that is making a choice.

And yes I agree, a big part of the problem with what the Priest Kings is doing is holding back human development and imagination. After all, back to nature is well and good. But it is actually natural for human kind to evolve, and to wish to evolve. We are not static beings. The trick is to not loose ourself in that evolution, as it seams many have done in this our real world.

I wish you well

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RE: With or Without the Priest-Kings? - 9/13/2009 6:45:17 AM

Aswad

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

See Players of Gor, pp. 288-289.

I thought we were talking about autonomy here, not leadership...

That's as much as I can usefully comment at being brushed off with a dangling book quote.

Health,
al-Aswad.

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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.

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