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ORIGINAL: Aswad
As I see it, an intervention as you call it, is no more or less than a new master taking them from the old one, until such time as the slave decides to not be resigned to it anymore. Fair enough, if one can't back the claim to property, others will take it away if they want it more.
I meant intervening to free the person, not to have them become enslaved by someone else. To move it into a more modern context, let's take as an example the sweat shops that are common in certain areas. They bring people (usually from Asia) over illegally, often confiscate any ID they have, and force them to work around 14-18 hours a day in exchange for room and board, no cash. That might not be officially called slavery, but much the same idea. How do you feel that should be handled? Here, they're usually either deported to their previous country, or can apply for a green card/exemption and find some form of paying work and housing. I think the sweatshop owner/manager should have to pay to help them transition, but usually they're just sent to jail.
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ORIGINAL: Aswad
And if, as Goreans do, we embrace this accountability, then the slaves who choose to let those who would be free and great fight and die in the bid to escape the oppression that exists when others would make one a slave while one is in truth free... well... again, I find it hard to feel anything other than that in failing to rise to the occasion and realize their full human potential, they have betrayed those fellow humans that do indeed rise, and while the inevitable contempt is fairly well tempered by a well developed sense of empathy, it does not eliminate the feeling that they are getting what they have earned for themselves by way of their choices. Slavery cannot exist without those willing to be slaves.
Most of the people who fight and die to escape oppression aren't slaves per se, they are in war-torn and poor countries. Most of them aren't used for labor directly, but are killed as the opposing factions rampage back and forth, pretty much at random. Some are enslaved by being drafted into the military, but in that case, they're the ones fighting and killing.
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ORIGINAL: Aswad
Slave labor is a norm in US prisons. It is a norm across the species barrier (which, mentally, is precisely the same barrier). And it is a line that psychologists have repeatedly demonstrated the ability to shift so as to allow groups of "innocent" people to be treated thus.
I'm speaking of human slaves who haven't committed crimes, although "prison labor" usually is nominally done in exchange for getting some kind of perks in jail, rather than required of all prisoners.
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ORIGINAL: Aswad
Regardless of whether I did or not, I could not comment on it because of the Terms of Service. As I said, children are a complicated issue, and I easily empathize with others, and that's about as much as I can say without getting into a bit of a bind with the TOS
Let's assume for the sake of argument that the offspring in question are in the 18-21 age range, still living at home, and have not been told of their parents' plans.
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