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Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/2/2006 3:29:27 PM

starshineowned

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Greetings..~smiles~

I fully understand on Gor..in the fictional setting that there is no such thing as a "uncollared slave".

I also understand that as a kajirae..respect and more so obedience to all Free is non-negotiable.

I understand also that..if you are not a kajirae..then you are Free.

These elements fit well and exist well in the fictional realm, and non-consensual slavery plays a major part there.

1. What happens though to the kajirae of Earth when it just doesn't work out? (Insert any fathomable reason here)
I understand it's real easy to just say "oh, well they are Free then"..but unless they begged for that freedom to truely enter that state of a Free Person..most do not want that and feel very lost out there. For most who did not truely want to be Free..the slave is deep within them, and can not just be hidden away.

Again I do understand the simple mechanics of how it was to Gor..but this just seems an area that really can't be transcribable and lived matter o factly here on Earth.

2 What advice is given by those RTer's to these kajirae who have all of a sudden found themselves in a Free status position but it is truely not within them to be such?
3. How should these kajirae act then amongst the other Earthly Goreans they are in contact with?
4. If this simple change of class is enforced..should the once kajirae, and now suddenly Free Person act as such even though it is truely not within them?
5. How are these once kajirae advised to present themselves and deal with their emotions?

Thankyou in Advance

starshine
Happy slave of Master Delvin

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/2/2006 4:04:17 PM

mnottertail

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quote:

ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Greetings..~smiles~

I fully understand on Gor..in the fictional setting that there is no such thing as a "uncollared slave".

I also understand that as a kajirae..respect and more so obedience to all Free is non-negotiable.

I understand also that..if you are not a kajirae..then you are Free.

These elements fit well and exist well in the fictional realm, and non-consensual slavery plays a major part there.

1. What happens though to the kajirae of Earth when it just doesn't work out? (Insert any fathomable reason here)
I understand it's real easy to just say "oh, well they are Free then"..but unless they begged for that freedom to truely enter that state of a Free Person..most do not want that and feel very lost out there. For most who did not truely want to be Free..the slave is deep within them, and can not just be hidden away.

Again I do understand the simple mechanics of how it was to Gor..but this just seems an area that really can't be transcribable and lived matter o factly here on Earth.

starshine
Happy slave of Master Delvin

I am not an walking index of the books........but offhandedly, I cannot say that this premise is an underpinning of Gor.........

(Incidentally, Free woman or others were not immediatly enslaved in the daily sense in every instance, necessarily------

Many were forged a collar by the blacksmith, and sent to the auction....some were in slavery and not uncollared but sent to the pens for the next auction......... were they still in service to a Master; then? Seems a far stretch. ) side-bar finishes.....

Tho this may be widely held as an inconsistant principal that slave and unowned may be incongruent concepts.........
I would have to back out on that one, never having polled the Goreans on this subject.

While this foregone diatribe may seem a little off topic, it really isn't.......

I am saying that the underlying premise to the stepwise refinement of the topic may not be "fair dinkum" (If I may use another word or two out of context......)

LOLOLOL,
Yeah; like I am not gonna anyway.....

Seriously tho,
Ron

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/2/2006 4:56:15 PM

fyreredsub

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i am an uncollared slave so that means i must still be respectful of those that are free, i shall be extremely chosy in going under consideration and take much more time to get to know someone ,burning belly can be still,lol...in many ways i do act as free, i still have the right to make those decisions that i feel are in my best interests.i am always a slave and try to present myself as such,this does not change b/c i have no master.always i strive to learn and improve

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/2/2006 5:59:39 PM

IronBear

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I don't know what it is like in the US, but here in Queensland, the scene is not lkarge and the lose Gorean Community is smaller. However, we either all know each other or we know people who do. I and a couple of others have a list in Yahoo for East Coast Goreans. It is inactive but needs to be kicck started. Now you are either just released oor newly arived. It is no big deal to introduce you arfound via the list and if there ios a FM who is seeking a girl they could be introduces at a partyy or function. If they hit it off fine if not it is like the dating game. The point is there is an uncollared girl who is Free but looking for a collar with a suitable Master. We accept that we live on earth, not Gor and must live within the legal bounds of our local. We decollar a girl and not kill her. We dop not force collar an available girl we get to know her so both of us can decide if this is worthy of a collar. Common sence prevails along with dignity, maturity and a deep understanding of our sub-culture / lifestyle.

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/2/2006 7:05:57 PM

barelynangel

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starshine, i am sorry but you seem to have two different realities and i am truly trying to figure out which reality you speak of. You keep stating this is earth, yet your questions here lead me to believe you have some fantasy reality of unowned slavery. Do you truly believe that being unowned and slave is some carefree fun ride of skipping around ladeedaing until you are owned again reveling in some slave feeling? You are correct, there is a reality.. one you seem to want to see with rosecolored glasses.

Let's start with this: The biggest difference between an owned woman and an unowned woman is a Man who owns them, they are mastered. Which means there is a Man between them and the rest of the world. The Man deals with the world and the slave's focus is the Man. Its a chain of sorts. Sorry no pun intended. An unowned woman for whatever reasom who use to be owned, who recognizes slave but is one who doesn't have the luxury of being owned anymore knows the difference between being owned and not. I don't think you get that concept and i hope you never have to as you are owned. But believe me starshine, women who are not owned are very aware of what is inside them.

1) What happens to a woman when she is no longer owned? She has no choice but to survive in a world where once upon a time the only thing she focused on and needed to worry about was her Master. She now has to focus on the rest of the world and regain her autonomy and pick up the pieces and survive. The general concept is SHE IS FREE, and its something she needs to remember. She no longer has someone responsible for her, she now has to be responsible for herself. THAT is the reality starshined, i don't know what you expect but its not all fun and games where women flit around uncollared serving reveling in their slave within. There IS a reality we have to live in that is far removed from being owned. Emotions or not, an unowned slave's life is FAR different than an owned slave. An unowned slave gets up in the morning she goes to work, pays the bills, feeds her fish, goes shopping, laughs, cries, eats, sleep, recognizing slave, yet being free, why does she know this? Because the focus she once had is gone. That is the reality.

2. Whether it is in them or not, they have no choice but to live as an unowned woman and survive while they search. My advice being a woman who was owned and is now unowned, remember you are not a slave until you are owned. Slavery is about reacting not acting. Realize the difference. Because it could save you a lot of time dealing with players, wannabe's and preditors much heartache or getting involved with someone who will hurt you.. Again, you want the reality, starshine, then you need to realize the absolute reality and not the fantasy reality of women feeling slave. The feeling is not the reality, waking up each morning without a Master is the reality.

3. Your third question is actually a dangerous one in my opinion to ask on a forum such as this. Why? Well, 1) you have people here who consistently start their statements with "I am not Gor, but; i don't know Gor, but; i don't identify with Gor, but." There is no basis of gor, posts are randomly made whether knowledge is known or not known. There will be women who come to these forums not knowing anything about Gor and see answers to this question and not realize whose advice they should take to heart and whose advice not too. The gullible may fall victim because you believe they should "act" a certain way. To tell someone "how they should act as slave," makes them no better than the Masters who "act." If you are speaking of online, then you may as well tell them to go to the chatrooms because that is how slaves "act." If a woman is going to a Gorean gathering, the Man who is giving it will more than likely give her instructions and probably put her in the hands of an owned girl to guide. In person, she will more than likely react if surrounded by Men who understand what to do with women. If you "act" as a slave, then don't cry victim when you realize the Man you are getting involved with was "acting" too. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Slavery in the reality IS about reacting, not acting. Relax, be yourself, and realize slavery is about reacting to mastery, not acting so every Tom, Dick, or Harry will "see" you as something. In my opinion, its not a popularity contest.

4) its not IF it is enforced, it IS enforced, an unowned woman finds herself without a Master. Whether she likes it or not, she is free. Maybe not a FW of Gor by choice, but she is free. She needs to survive in her world, and there is no focus of an owned slave -- focus on her Master. Unless she has a support community, who takes care of her... she is on her own and no feelings inside of her is going to change that REALITY.

5. How do unown women present themselves? Since slavery is a reaction, then let your instincts guide you with common sense. If you react to a Man as a Master, follow his lead with common sense. As for the emotions, everyone deals with them differently, just as owned slaves do. Support helps with emotions, slaves who are owned who may not understand but can imagine, women who are in the same boat you are, Masters who allow you to cry on their shoulders, etc... There are friends -- whom i personally could not make it without -- and i thank them for being there with me.

being an unowned woman who recognizes slave is probably one of the most agonizing concepts of reality. But we do live in reality starshined, and no matter how much we wish we were owned, the reality is we are not. No matter how much the ache is there, we have no choice but to push it aside and take a step into the world and keep putting one foot in front of the other. Imagine if you will, each day you crave it, days when you want to crawl into bed and curl up fetally and cry until you can't breath, there are days when you go crazy, there are times when you can bare the pain, and there are days when you simply are numb... amd days you scream, the craving never goes away, but you take one day at a time.. you have no other choice, because you are free, until one day, you find yourself back in a collar, owned being mastered and you have the single focus again -- Master.

Believe me starshine, unowned slaves know the reality. Its not the rosecolored reality you seem to believe it is. The absence of a Master is felt with each breath. To go through people trying to see if he could be Master is draining and exhausting, to have possibilities flare up and then suddenly be extinguished makes you feel like you are being torn in two.

I don't know what reality you want starshine, but believe me, an unowned woman is not a slave. She is unowned, without focus, without a Master, in a sea of uncertainty having no choice but to keep walking. This is my reality and many others reality. I know you want everything to be sweet and nice and neatly packaged but its not. This is the reality. Sorry if you want it to be something different. I hope you never have to know it. If this sounds harsh i am sorry, but the reality is harsh. Why because it is reality. All a woman can do is know what she is looking for but more importantly why. Because being slave is hard, even still harder under the hand of a Man of Gor who truly sees you as slave. Read the books and learn a little about yourself. Don't believe every body and don't disbelieve them. Treat everyone with caution, and treat everyone with impulse. Make friends with both owned and unowned women. Most of all, learn from your experience and realize that sometimes you have to take a leap of faith. As i have asked, starshine, what reality do you really want to know about?

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The brave may not live forever, but the cautious never live at all.

angel

< Message edited by barelynangel -- 3/2/2006 7:40:05 PM >

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/2/2006 8:39:42 PM

Delvin

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Enough.

starshine is no longer allowed to quote, speak or use any topics from angel. angel, I expect you to do the same. I am done watching the banter back and forth whether a girl is owned or not, and frankly, I take your post to be very rude and a personal attack on not only my slave but myself. You have no clue on her reality before she begged a collar nor do you have any clue what she is or is about now or how she lives each hour of each day.

Enough, I expect you to no longer use her quotes, comment to her in public about any topic nor join in on a topic where she starts the thread and starshine has been instructed to do the same.

Master Delvin

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/2/2006 8:41:52 PM

Nosathro

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greetings
As I recall there were "Uncollared kajiras"..In the Assassin of Gor Kuurus finds a girl who he drags into the local Paga Tavern and asks for a collar. Also there is mention of barbarians on Gor. It is true that all slaves obey the Free Man or Woman or are punished. Last there are the Panther Girls and some Women who are in the same vain as Outlaws on Gor.

Being a Counselor in my vanilla life I use it when a slave wants to be released. If she wants my advice I will give it to her but if not I try to part on a positive note. There is a World out there and issues many people face. Sometimes these thing do collide and cause conflicts within a person. As a Master it is my view to understand a slave and guide her as best I can in dealing with the World.

I wish you well

Nosathro

P.S. There are two uncollared slaves running around here? As a Slaver I best get busy...

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/2/2006 9:16:59 PM

mnottertail

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Cute if it works out.

I find it intiguing, that you would command those you cannot reach out and contain within a sphere of influence.

There is certainly no love lost between me and barely, (and that right there has pretty much pissed her off and made her a sworn enemy);

However; it is unseemly to command the world, because I am in it, and your lack of control of your property does not extend to my having to accept an (at least somewhat unconstrained) exchange of ideas;
So in plain words, curb your dog; you own it, and your right...... but unless the other dogs are actually in your yard..........

You know not what havoc you wreak.

You give her the latitude to post, and she has abused it.

Do as you please it is yours. But, I think it better you not extend the faults of yours to others.......

I am probably wrong.........

Perhaps,

had you privately emailed barely, I would agree given reality.......you can expect nothing; however, (I gotta lotta experience at this).

Perhaps I am wrong in total,

PERHAPS..........
Ron

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 3:13:10 AM

sunshine333

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quote:

2 What advice is given by those RTer's to these kajirae who have all of a sudden found themselves in a Free status position but it is truely not within them to be such?

in my opinion, the most important thing to keep in perspective is that we are people first and foremost. our slavery may be deep rooted, however, it is still only one part of ourselves however large it may seem. if we lose that perspective then we allow ourselves to be dependent on that need being filled for our happiness. and by relying on something that is everchanging and, by nature, unreliable we set ourselves up for constant disappointment.

this is a huge concept and i hope i'm not being misunderstood. i'm not implying that living our slavery cannot add joy to our lives. i'm also not saying that Men are incapable of being honorable, trusworthy and dependable. i'm saying that everything changes. everything. and to put all our eggs into one everchanging basket is, simply put, not the best way to take care of eggs.

i believe the best we can do is enjoy each day ... whether in a collar or not. live as the full, complete, whole people that we are. so if a girl is owned ... or was owned and now free ... or was never owned ... we should always strive to enjoy our lives exactly as it is ... rather than to struggle through each day desperately craving it to be some other way. we can work toward changing it but without attachment to the result.

it is difficult to deal with changes ...especially changes that we don't want or didn't expect. but life does go on ... and life is good. and the way we relate to it is always a choice. we will always, whether owned or free, have that choice. my suggestion would be to use it to our advantage.

humbly,
sunshine

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 4:03:38 AM

fyreredsub

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we differ in this opinion angel.

with no collar one can still be a slave in their heart and belly, they can still live by some of the standards master has given them.........the choose of this or not is theirs however, i never could understand how you say an unowned slave is FREE...they do not equate the same thing, IMO.
a free woman is a free woman
an uncollared slave is just seeking an owner

there is a difference

just as a master is stil a master even tho he may not have a slave in collar....does this make him any less of a man, no
does this mean he is not capable of collaring a slave ,no it does not...it just means he doesn have one right now

any more than i am any leas a slave b/c i have no master...
it doesnt CHANGE me
i still am who i am

even while under consideration...
i STILL paid my bills, got my car fixed,had to THINK for myself ...if one needs micromanagement or someone to SUPPORT them financially that is their relationsuip things....however, it is not a necessity in my case. i was still allowed autonomy...it is needed in many ways to surive

master didnt become a sugar daddy(which is what the scenario you sound like is)

Many here agree to the thinking of once a slave always a slave unless you are told you are a free woman,,,thinks of one of our ladies here whose situation =changed...

i will never agree with your attitude...(i truly do woander with alot of your posts this past month....) but that is you and we al have the right to think as we do

but i havent read all the books,,,,but they DO NOT say a wamn becomes free without an owner....its back to the auction block(LOL, but this is earth after all)

i am a slave whether i have a collar or not/
i am unmastered i am not free

i'm gonna end here
be well

< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 3/3/2006 4:11:30 AM >

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 5:05:05 AM

barelynangel

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Master Devlin,

I am sorry if you felt my post here was rude, but it was not intended to be it was intended to be a reality perspective. I was not upset or angry when i wrote it -- My post was nothing about her except wondering what reality she keeps speaking about, my post was strictly speaking of MY reality. And if anyone else asked those questions with the initial dialogue and implication that there is something different of knowing gor philosophies as an unowned slave and knowing reality, i would have answered in the same way. I answered the questions as honestly as i could based on my reality, and what i know which is all i can do.

lol i actually debated answering it because your slave asked it and what i didn't want was it to be seen as an answer that was motivated because of her, instead of my honest reflection of the reality of one unowned previously owned slave. my perplextion of what reality she speaks about is why i addressed her on occassion in the post, however, the answers were to her questions. i fail to see how any unowned woman's posts throughout these forums are not based on her reality and understanding of her interpretations of gorean living. i decided that i would answer the questions as honestly as i could.

I am not going to restrict myself from a good topic or an interesting topic or a topic i find interesting simply because your slave started it or stated something in it. i don't spend my time trying to antagonize people personally so to restrict myself because of your slave would imply that is what i do. I don't. My answers here had nothing to do with your slave personally. i questioned which reality she was speaking about that is all, my answers were to the questions asked.

I don't believe my post was rude to you or your slave, it was honest yes, it was reality she was asking about. My post was not an attack, not intended to be rude, and not motivated simply because your slave asked it.

I wish you well.

angel

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 5:17:47 AM

barelynangel

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hi fyreredsub,

smiles.. i have yet to have Men who are sugar daddies as Masters. I have had people offer it to me, but no, i have yet to have a Man who i don't work with as a Master. chuckles and in all honesty, not working with a Man makes me nervous. i don't know where you caught that idea in my post. As for the rest, i don't ask everyone to agree with me, and i do know many differ from me. i never said a woman doesn't know or recognize slave when she is not owned. But there is a vast difference in being owned and being unowned. Everything you speak of i.e. autonomy, not being mastered, not being owned, your choices, your survival on your own, your reasons for doing what you do, are what make you not "a" slave. Owned slaves don't have all of that unless their Masters allow it. i have NEVER said the slave goes away, i have said constantly which seems to escape everyone lol a woman recognizes slave.

What i don't do is put myself in the same realm of slaves, women who are owned, simply because i know there is a vast difference in why they do what they do, how they do it, their focus, and mentality. they do it because of their Masters. A woman doesn't forget slave, she does recognize it, but she is not "a" slave. Ask a woman who was unowned and is now owned how her life is different -- i have never met a woman who will tell you that her slavery is what it was when she was unowned. So how can a woman be the same when she was once owned and then unowned. She is not, the slave is not, the way she lives is not, why she does what she does has changed. And when she is owned again, everything will change again.

i know everyone thinks i am being mean and rude and everything else when i say this, and that i am imply some bad thing, but its not a bad thing.
angel

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 5:42:07 AM

fyreredsub

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good morning angel,

even with a master(when i had one)
i STILL paid my own bills and thought for myself(based on what he wished for me)...this did not change and if even i had become 24/7....this would not have changed---(not basing this on MY thinking,=what master did/said).when times are truly rough and i need a mans thinking, i am blessed enough to still run home for guidance and wisdom.(and he says i am an unowned slave not free)!

lol to sugar daddy...that is just how i think in terms of finding a man to serve sexually and not have to work...more of a societal vanilla concept i guess.for i am sure their are goreans that wish their woman to stay hopmeand tend the home/kids/master---that is a fulltime job in itself ND I DO NOT WISH TO SOUND DEMEANING TO anyone
but thAT WAS HOW THAT PARTICULAR SENTANCE STRUCK ME.(OOPS TO CAPS,SORRY)i dont feel like retyping

i have never NOT had a master be proud of my education or want me to stop it nor to see the value financially that i can ad to the home or the extra bargaining power it brings with it.

but truly you are like the only one on this site that feels the way you do about uncollared =free that is Gorean be they male or female..*shrugs*

there is also a big difference in having an active master as opposed to a passive master. there is also a difference tween living with master 24/7 and only seeing him a few times a week

but bottom line

no matter the situation
it does not make me any leass a slave
i am stil;l just an unowned slave
with a burning belly
i am NOT a free woman

later today i will go thro the books and find quotes

the heck with what the people here say,lol, cause i know my words arent the only ones...thread after thread.........

truly it is your 'perceptions' that keep you as a 'free' and not a slave..i read it time and time again

and i'm not trying to be rude either cause sometimes you make loads of sense

but it is not my place i guess to tell you how to think
or feel

so i guess we shall have to agree to disagree

your line about they do it for their masters..............they do it b/c they are slaves....they serve a master yes, they have becopme mastereed yes.....bottom line...if they werent a slave they wouldnt have been mastered

just one of the ones that thought escapes...lol....you say 'free'....not slave--this is what i dispute
be well

< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 3/3/2006 5:48:01 AM >

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 5:58:17 AM

fyreredsub

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Good Morning Master IB

there is not a Gorean community where i live-(which sux) few here and there in the state...no orginization, no sense of community at all.(one needs to be organized bigtime).

this one is good at kick starting(comes from harley times,lol)

finding sutable i am becoming sarcastic at least not here,lol,the last was a fiasco from hell.

well i had one find me here,he is till in my life to a degree but we are too different even tho we are alike(capi`ce).

lmaof at decollar not kill but in all seriousness to a slave that wishes to serve that is like death

Be Well

oh yeah
last night i saw an ale commercial and i thought of you and ron,lmaof............

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I don't know what it is like in the US, but here in Queensland, the scene is not lkarge and the lose Gorean Community is smaller. However, we either all know each other or we know people who do. I and a couple of others have a list in Yahoo for East Coast Goreans. It is inactive but needs to be kicck started. Now you are either just released oor newly arived. It is no big deal to introduce you arfound via the list and if there ios a FM who is seeking a girl they could be introduces at a partyy or function. If they hit it off fine if not it is like the dating game. The point is there is an uncollared girl who is Free but looking for a collar with a suitable Master. We accept that we live on earth, not Gor and must live within the legal bounds of our local. We decollar a girl and not kill her. We dop not force collar an available girl we get to know her so both of us can decide if this is worthy of a collar. Common sence prevails along with dignity, maturity and a deep understanding of our sub-culture / lifestyle.

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 6:06:54 AM

barelynangel

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okay maybe i just need coffee, but i am still trying to figure out how finances, sugar daddies, and such all came into this in some indication that a Master is made out to be a sugar daddy. When i spoke about getting up, paying bills etc and the rest of that i was speaking more of it being my choice, my responsibility, my reasons for doing so because i need to survive on my own and the responsibility that is me does not belong to another. In otherwords, my focus is on the rest of the world, where a slaves focus is her Master. He worries about other stuff and she worries about pleasing him and let's him deal with the world. That was why i used the analogy of a slave's focus is her Master, the Man's deals with the world.

i usually don't drag my opinions based on the majority. You keep implying that not being "a" slave is wrong. Its not. It doesnt change the recognizing of slave that a woman has. In fact, fyrered, many Men whom i deeply respect and see as Masters do in fact see me as slave. picks up everyone's jaw as the shock resinates through the site. i recognize slave, but i am not "a" slave. i live my life free as of right now because i am not owned..

What your master allowed you to do when you are owned is my point. What you do now is because you allow it. What you did then is because he allowed it. You never know fyrered, you may become owned to a Master who doesn't allow you to contribute financially, who could care less what your thoughts are on certain subjects and will have you conform exactly to what he wishes you to be. If you don't wish too, then you run. Even when times are not rough when you are owned, you may have no choice but to accept the man's thinking in regards to your life. Not your own. What will you do if your Master owns you and decides he wants your education to be different and changes that about you? Does this make sense what i am saying now. Everything you do and say and think now is based on your autonomy, as a slave you have none, the Master will utilize what he wishes about you in the way he wishes, not the way you wish or want, etc. If he does then you will, if he does not, you will change. Do you see what i mean between being "a" slave -- owned, and recognizing slave. As "a" slave, you have no choice in what he wishes to do with you all you can do is run. When you recognize slave, you still have that choice, you still feel you can negotiate, you still maintain some control you are not owned, all of this is still yours. smiles, many men know this about unowned women, and it usually makes them smile... because they know if they own you, none of that will be true anymore. You are free to do as you please, you have your autonomy and therefore, everything you do is motivated by you. A slave has no autonomy, everything she does is motivated by the Man who owns her.

Men are the ones who determine slave, not the women who want to be one.

angel

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 6:13:13 AM

fyreredsub

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well just go on the last sentance---

i'm ending this b/c you are taking it way too personal....and as an insult which is NOT my intention

the Master i 'run home' to says i am an 'uncollared slave' not FREE.

guess thats the bottom line for me-

since its all about what Master says

simple enough concept
and i'm done with it---

believe and feel how you wish as shall i

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

okay maybe i just need coffee, but i am still trying to figure out how finances, sugar daddies, and such all came into this in some indication that a Master is made out to be a sugar daddy. When i spoke about getting up, paying bills etc and the rest of that i was speaking more of it being my choice, my responsibility, my reasons for doing so because i need to survive on my own and the responsibility that is me does not belong to another. In otherwords, my focus is on the rest of the world, where a slaves focus is her Master. He worries about other stuff and she worries about pleasing him and let's him deal with the world. That was why i used the analogy of a slave's focus is her Master, the Man's deals with the world.

i usually don't drag my opinions based on the majority. You keep implying that not being "a" slave is wrong. Its not. It doesnt change the recognizing of slave that a woman has. In fact, fyrered, many Men whom i deeply respect and see as Masters do in fact see me as slave. picks up everyone's jaw as the shock resinates through the site. i recognize slave, but i am not "a" slave. i live my life free as of right now because i am not owned..

What your master allowed you to do when you are owned is my point. What you do now is because you allow it. What you did then is because he allowed it. You never know fyrered, you may become owned to a Master who doesn't allow you to contribute financially, who could care less what your thoughts are on certain subjects and will have you conform exactly to what he wishes you to be. If you don't wish too, then you run. Even when times are not rough when you are owned, you may have no choice but to accept the man's thinking in regards to your life. Not your own. What will you do if your Master owns you and decides he wants your education to be different and changes that about you? Does this make sense what i am saying now. Everything you do and say and think now is based on your autonomy, as a slave you have none, the Master will utilize what he wishes about you in the way he wishes, not the way you wish or want, etc. If he does then you will, if he does not, you will change. Do you see what i mean between being "a" slave -- owned, and recognizing slave. As "a" slave, you have no choice in what he wishes to do with you all you can do is run. When you recognize slave, you still have that choice, you still feel you can negotiate, you still maintain some control you are not owned, all of this is still yours. smiles, many men know this about unowned women, and it usually makes them smile... because they know if they own you, none of that will be true anymore. You are free to do as you please, you have your autonomy and therefore, everything you do is motivated by you. A slave has no autonomy, everything she does is motivated by the Man who owns her.

Men are the ones who determine slave, not the women who want to be one.

angel

< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 3/3/2006 6:19:23 AM >

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 6:59:09 AM

barelynangel

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chuckles.. i wasn't taking it personally as i know your opinions differ from me. I was simply discussion what you were saying. You keep thinking i mean someone being "not a slave" as a derogatory remark. I am not a Master, i don't use that to hurt people or to make someone feel like crap. But there is a difference. I say it because of the reality between being a slave to a Man who owns you and being a woman unowned who recognizes slave. There is a big difference that i believe is important that the difference is recognized.

be well,

angel

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 7:15:14 AM

fyreredsub

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*giggles* this one always thought there was more than 2 of us running around in 'that status'
this one does believe there is 3 of us and all redheads

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

greetings
As I recall there were "Uncollared kajiras"..In the Assassin of Gor Kuurus finds a girl who he drags into the local Paga Tavern and asks for a collar. Also there is mention of barbarians on Gor. It is true that all slaves obey the Free Man or Woman or are punished. Last there are the Panther Girls and some Women who are in the same vain as Outlaws on Gor.

Being a Counselor in my vanilla life I use it when a slave wants to be released. If she wants my advice I will give it to her but if not I try to part on a positive note. There is a World out there and issues many people face. Sometimes these thing do collide and cause conflicts within a person. As a Master it is my view to understand a slave and guide her as best I can in dealing with the World.

I wish you well

Nosathro

P.S. There are two uncollared slaves running around here? As a Slaver I best get busy...

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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 7:15:45 AM

lisaSea

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Greetings starshine :)

Im going to seperate your question, if thats ok, for the ease of my own slow moving mind, lol

Where do they fit. This is where the rubber meets the road, (as Master says). A persons inner self is what it is. I don't know too many people offline who take things as literal as what is portrayed here on this forum. A woman who surrenders to a man and finds herself one day unowned, is still that slave she always was, just sans the master. Whether actively seeking or not, as long as she embraces what is inside, she has not done a quick change into instant free woman. Yes, she is now responsible for her own well being, but that is nothing more then survival. If she doesn't work or pay bills, she will find herself on the street. I don't feel it has any bearing on what she craves with all her heart, it simply means she is able to feed herself and provide shelter.

I rarely do this...but even in the books, when slaves where unowned or in the case of Elinore and Ute, on their own in the jungle...they went into survival mode, catching their own meals, tending to themselves. The world is another form of jungle, to survive, a woman must know how to put food on the table and unless she enjoys living in a cardboard box, pay her bills.

What advice. Be yourself. There is more to the gorean ethos then the relationship between a man and a woman. If a woman with the nature of a slave, then relish in it, cherish and nurture it. Never give up seeking if what you crave is a man to serve, but until he comes along, be true to yourself. Be strong, self supportive, able to provide for you and yours (if kids are involved), yet, remain soft and female.

I hope this is along the lines of what you were asking hun, if not, let me know and I will drink more coffee and try again, lol

Warmest wishes,

lisa{Sea's}
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RE: Where do they fit and with what advice - 3/3/2006 7:21:56 AM

fyreredsub

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greetings and thank you lisa
it answered the thoughts resounding in this ones mind and
your posting makes this one feel much better,
thinks joining you on the coffee is a good thing

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ORIGINAL: lisaSea

Greetings starshine :)

Im going to seperate your question, if thats ok, for the ease of my own slow moving mind, lol

Where do they fit. This is where the rubber meets the road, (as Master says). A persons inner self is what it is. I don't know too many people offline who take things as literal as what is portrayed here on this forum. A woman who surrenders to a man and finds herself one day unowned, is still that slave she always was, just sans the master. Whether actively seeking or not, as long as she embraces what is inside, she has not done a quick change into instant free woman. Yes, she is now responsible for her own well being, but that is nothing more then survival. If she doesn't work or pay bills, she will find herself on the street. I don't feel it has any bearing on what she craves with all her heart, it simply means she is able to feed herself and provide shelter.

I rarely do this...but even in the books, when slaves where unowned or in the case of Elinore and Ute, on their own in the jungle...they went into survival mode, catching their own meals, tending to themselves. The world is another form of jungle, to survive, a woman must know how to put food on the table and unless she enjoys living in a cardboard box, pay her bills.

What advice. Be yourself. There is more to the gorean ethos then the relationship between a man and a woman. If a woman with the nature of a slave, then relish in it, cherish and nurture it. Never give up seeking if what you crave is a man to serve, but until he comes along, be true to yourself. Be strong, self supportive, able to provide for you and yours (if kids are involved), yet, remain soft and female.

I hope this is along the lines of what you were asking hun, if not, let me know and I will drink more coffee and try again, lol

Warmest wishes,

lisa{Sea's}
**Masters too excited to sleep cuz we are doing Disneyland AGAIN girl**

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