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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/6/2009 10:18:05 AM   
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Tal Orion,

I don't think so either, it does seem to be the time for this to go around yet again. It gets old and nothing of value is gained from it when this occurs and yeah, things are just peachy here, thanks. :)

I wish you well,

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/6/2009 11:12:47 AM   
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The strong and seductively agile panther girl is restrained, for now.
You may resume unhindered chest beating.  

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/6/2009 11:17:21 AM   
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In contrast to your self wanking? Sure thing. Panther girl? pleaaasssee. Very evident from that comment that you thrive on the RP of Gor. See you and yours were figured out within just a few words. Thanks for proving something we all suspected, and I eluded to with Camerius.

Hope all of that works for you.

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/6/2009 8:20:55 PM   
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You are right angel, what I initially wrote and my subsequent reply do make it look like I was trying to hide a mistake.

I did make a mistake, I tend to read the forums at 4am before work while drinking tea and waking up just like now, sometimes what I think I wrote is not what my words say, it is a habit I keep meaning to break myself of and never do. When I wrote my reply to you I didn’t bother to check what I wrote before on the previous page I answered from memory, I was rushed for time and so lazy, now I accept the consequences of my laziness.

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/6/2009 9:18:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Camerius


Greetings tazz,

I would argue that there IS such a thing as a Gorean slave, not only from her being owned by a Gorean, but also by her accepting the philosophy and ethos as her own to follow and in that way she becomes also a Gorean. As to the OP, I'll leave the why and how a female chooses this way to live to their own words and thoughts.

I wish you well,

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greetings Master Camerius

thank you for the correction

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well wishes

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/7/2009 4:05:17 AM   
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Cheryl, thank you for the clarification.

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/7/2009 10:57:41 AM   
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I suppose when threatened by clear thinking girls one must resort to bluster, empty threats and/or implied insults.

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/7/2009 11:43:43 AM   
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...as a dear Friend of mine says: "it's not in what you say, but HOW you say it". On that note, I believe actions speak alot on this one.


enjoy the day...

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/7/2009 1:46:41 PM   
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Maybe some remedial reading may assist you in understanding that the adjectives you used are not applicable. When presented in this forum by a girl that obviously doesn't have a clue about what she is speaking of, and then her slave comes along and proves it, well it is what it is.

Take care now, and don't get your leash too tangled.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

I suppose when threatened by clear thinking girls one must resort to bluster, empty threats and/or implied insults.



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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/7/2009 2:12:41 PM   
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Respectfully master, this girl suggests that cheap shots should be beneath you.

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/7/2009 2:15:49 PM   
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Ok children, enough.  

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/7/2009 3:08:23 PM   
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Sorry 11. Will remove myself and use the block feature.

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/7/2009 5:21:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tammystarm

I myself considered myself a submissive always had been, whether it was in the bd/sm realm or not. It has been in the last few months that i came to realize how deep my devotion to Master is. He has gorean underpinnings and i have always said
(pardon me true goreans) that the gorean lifestyles was based on fictional books, not real. While i still havent read them but have heard alot about them, i am coming around somewhat to its ways. Granted while i always said the books were fiction i have also admitted it was fiction based on loose truths. The depth of my love for Master has allowed me to realize that i am a true slave, and maybe just slightly a bit gorean.....maybe He is brainwashing me ;)
Peace Love and Harmony to You all.
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"Choosing to be a slave".

An interesting concept that appears in the Sagas over and over when the girl is physically captured and trained and then even when given the opportunity for freedom down the line, she hesitates and actually chooses to remain a slave to the master she loves. In the other situations the girl gives herself up for slavery because she is envious of the slave girls and has the "slave girl passion" or she is destitute and is picked up by the authorities and placed in slavery for her keep.

Here, it is different. 

In our situation tam was a alpha "serious, not player" submissive on CM. You know there are damn few of those so the "Priest Kings" must be favoring me when she was receptive to my advances.

Anyway, she was actually searching for a real time dominant male for a long term relationship when we met over a year ago. At that time she never dreamed she would be a slave. Nor did I for that matter.

"Certainly not."
"Horrors".
"Never".
"Especially a gorean kajira for crying out loud".

According to her all goreans were insane forgetting for the moment that she knew I was gorean. Incidently, that "all goreans are insane" is a missperception caused by a few earlier goreans in the dark days when the books were out of print and everyone had to take the word of a few who claimed to have the books and be experts. Sadly, some of those older guys still lurk in the threads pretending this is still the situation. 

To continue, much to my surprise she began to show ever increasing slave passion several months ago. She began to publically write in her journal and in the threads that she desired to serve me as a slave. When we are together weekly in the lifestyle club or in any public or private situation she actually behaved as one. It became clear to me that she has chosen to be one and left her free woman status behind because of her love for me and that love has led her to "choose to be a slave". A classic situtation that appears in the Sagas from time to time. 

Finally, I am curious. Is this true of most of the slave girls here who "chose to be a slave" gorean or not. I suspect our experience is not that unique but I do not know.

Yes?. 

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/7/2009 6:14:41 PM   
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Greetings Master Arturas,

This girl is not a gorean slave, nor is she a part of BDSM, she is however, a slave to a Master whose philosophies have gorean leanings in many ways. What you describe sounds very much like your girl is going through internal enslavement. This one has always had a slave nature, but did not understand it. When she came to know it for what it was, she attempted to become a slave... thus "choosing" the path... but she was really mastering herself as the man she was with at the time could not master her. She was a wreck- a slave trying to master herself is not a pretty sight! Then when she did meet a Man capable of mastering her, she did not choose. She tried to hide what was happening from herself, but it happened. A girl who becomes mastered internally just starts responding as a slave in response to the Man. It seems to this girl that this would have to always be the way of becoming enslaved because she cannot think of another way that does not involve mastering oneself.

Well wishes to you and your new slave,

anna

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/7/2009 9:54:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis

Greetings Master Arturas,

This girl is not a gorean slave, nor is she a part of BDSM, she is however, a slave to a Master whose philosophies have gorean leanings in many ways. What you describe sounds very much like your girl is going through internal enslavement. This one has always had a slave nature, but did not understand it. When she came to know it for what it was, she attempted to become a slave... thus "choosing" the path... but she was really mastering herself as the man she was with at the time could not master her. She was a wreck- a slave trying to master herself is not a pretty sight! Then when she did meet a Man capable of mastering her, she did not choose. She tried to hide what was happening from herself, but it happened. A girl who becomes mastered internally just starts responding as a slave in response to the Man. It seems to this girl that this would have to always be the way of becoming enslaved because she cannot think of another way that does not involve mastering oneself.

Well wishes to you and your new slave,

anna


Greetings anna,

First, I sincerely thank you for the timely and most welcome and thought out reply.

As I understand it you internalized and outwardly suppressed your natural desire to belong, to serve and love in the life role of a slave to the right man. I further understand that this was very frustrating until you met the right man, a man capable of mastering you. This man freed you to be who you wanted to be much like a flower blooms when the spring sun and rain begins after a very long winter. The transformation to slave girl did not need much direction from the man, instead it happened quite naturally and perhaps without any warning, if I might put it that way?

And you believe Tam of Arturas (has a nice ring to it, thanks for the idea) may have experienced this same pattern of emotions and behavior. I suspect she would say you are right but she will have to comment on that herself.

I am tempted to bring her fully back into the thread. I reviewed all of her responses of yesterday and find them appropriate to this thread in spite of the complaints of one or two. I love her spirit and she responded politely in all situations even when confronted with replies that would wilt lesser women.

In the Sagas, I recall a situation where a very romantic gorean master, and the best are always that way, a beleaguered on-the-run Captain of Ar  triggered that exact same response in a initially reluctant new, unnamed and unbranded slave girl. I think he typifies the gorean man I use as a role model. John Norman presented him as a strong, wise, intelligent, handsome and physically fit man but most importantly, a leader who can command and all that will portend. He is a man who stood against a host of other goreans pretending to be what they were not, a man who could trigger that response in her. 

BTW, am I mistaken in thinking tam has enjoyed other threads with you in the past? If I am mistaken then it was her loss.

I wish you well, always.

Arturas.

P.S. I see my "panther girl" silently logged into this thread as I "speak". 

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/7/2009 10:46:11 PM   
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Only searching for the sometimes elusive Master, Master. ;)
Beautifully written Anna, thank you!
And always thank You Master for being this slaves capture. This slaves mind, body and heart belong to You! i love You, Master.


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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/8/2009 8:10:38 PM   
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quote:

When or how did you realize/decide to accept that and say, " yes, I am a slave".


Greetings..

In the simplistic of answers..the moment I stopped trying to determine and make things be, and accepted what was. The pretending then stopped and the reality of it hit.

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/9/2009 11:27:14 AM   
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Just because visitors are unwelcome in Gorean towns (except one) in the sagas does not mean the same must be true here in the real world. Especially since this is not "your home" as I saw someone write here. Perhaps House Arturas now "owns" this "home". Just as unlikely but I would allow you to stay and ask questions wthout being "harsh".  

Time to quit pretending you are some Gorean town here. Shitting on a polite CM visitor who is asking questions correctly impresses only the weak.

Harsh without a good purpose is not the same as strong. I was harsh to a broken and hurt and foolish ex-kajira yesterday and I certainly was not strong in doing so.


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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/9/2009 11:43:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas

The strong and seductively agile panther girl is restrained, for now.
You may resume unhindered chest beating.  


Pardon my confusion Arturas, but your slave is a Panther Girl?? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?


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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/9/2009 12:06:39 PM   
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Good question. Only figuratively speaking, as we are a real time house and panther girls only exist in the sagas and on role play. As you know, in fiction the panther girl is a beautiful and capable warrior akin to the fabled Amazons. They are also anti-gorean. Star, while not new to me is new to my gorean stone, my House as they say in the online chattrooms, and still rebellious at times and requires close watching much like any captured "panther girl". But she is real and she is as advertised as many of you of the silent majority know. She knows she will be flogged at a local real time gathering for entering the room without my permission and then harrassing a 'master' via email after I removed her  but she has been praised for how she held up under the pressure.

On that train of thought. After I wrote this and while I walked outside in the unnaturally warm weather for this time of year, I realized this is actually a club with a close set of players who apparently thought a member of this real time stone was just another play thing to abuse and humiliate for their mutual pleasure, according to the non-gorean non-saga rules they have developed online.

They were wrong. 

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