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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/11/2009 9:02:22 PM

Kalista07

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Greetings to all.....
Please forgive the intrusions. i sincerely apologize for posting here, as i try to remain an avid reader here only....However afer spending much time tonight reading this entire thread i have some questions i must ask.

Tammy...Seriously?? Can you seriously not see how you provoked these people? Can you seriously not see how you basically took their core beliefs, trashed them, tarnished them, and then threw them in their face? Because i truly thought you were smarter than that....Perhpaps i gave you too much credit....It's a pity really...

Arturas..... If with all sincerity and honesty you can not look back at Tammy, Star, or whatever she's calling herself these day's behavior in the beginning of this thread and recognize her behavior as reprehensible then i have have nothing but utmost pity for you....Secondly i think it might be wise for you to heed a quote by Lincoln that has always spoke to me, :Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Kali

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/11/2009 10:03:14 PM

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Thank you for the many pearls of wisdom, and also for the tears and laughter.

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 5:15:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

LOL

Laugh away mist, because frankly it is about the only thing one can really do at this point.

take care,
Mistress Maah

Good Morning Mistress Maah

I can say this; It has been highly amusing. I needed the laugh badly.

Ya'll have a wonderful day

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 5:31:27 AM

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Arturas, i think most people could care less what you choose to do with your slave == her training, public flogging etc, i think most people would simply look at this whole thing differently if you simply acknowledge she opened mouth and inserted foot and then proceeded to to chew it off as people commented on what she wrote, instead of your trying to make this about everyone else and THEIR posts and how they should react or post to certain threads etc.

I edited this from my other comments because while they were meant in jest may not have been taken that way.

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 5:52:31 AM

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Final two items. Star is free to post here at the Moderator's pleasure and star's public flogging will be scheduled soon in Nashville. Date and time can be obtained by writing me.

That is EXACTLY why I don't like people pretending to be something they're not. You do have thought about the consequences for this action, right? That this will prob end in the news, the Law enforcement might be included and most of all, in what way or how will this benefit Gorean matters?

I fail to see anything good coming from this, be that from a personal point ( yours ) or overall to the Gorean community. We have tried time and time again to oust and then distance ourself from people like these, just like we do once again in this case, that will and does bring harm to us from these kinds of actions, but most of all, to John Norman.

To put matters in a simple way, quit playing something you're NOT! Stop trying the same! But if you do continue, I sure hope you're aware of the consequences from your own action when it's time to pay for them.

Also, I'm not your brother, I haven't shared salt, grass or blood with you, and never will.

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 6:53:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

LOL

Laugh away mist, because frankly it is about the only thing one can really do at this point.

take care,
Mistress Maah

Thank you, Maah! That felt good
<wiping tears of laughter from eyes>

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 7:52:02 AM

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Greetings Camerius,

I believe it is a private club, would have to check with my friend in Nashville again to make sure, so that will cut down on LEO being involved. Also, I am not sure of the state law concerning exceptions for BDSM activities. Regardless though, it is obvious that this stranger has made being Gorean, all about the slave, which so many people that play at it do. Yes you are correct that it will cause yet another perception problem for the Gorean community, as we have to deal with the non-Gorean perceptions that strangers like this cause.

Kind of par for the course lately though, as more people think being Gorean is all about the slavery. Who knows, I may be visiting my friend in Nashville soon, and fate may make it so that it is this supposed weekend. Will go and watch the tickle/slap show and offer a review if fate does make it that way.

Live well,
Orion

quote:

ORIGINAL: Camerius

quote:

Final two items. Star is free to post here at the Moderator's pleasure and star's public flogging will be scheduled soon in Nashville. Date and time can be obtained by writing me.

That is EXACTLY why I don't like people pretending to be something they're not. You do have thought about the consequences for this action, right? That this will prob end in the news, the Law enforcement might be included and most of all, in what way or how will this benefit Gorean matters?

I fail to see anything good coming from this, be that from a personal point ( yours ) or overall to the Gorean community. We have tried time and time again to oust and then distance ourself from people like these, just like we do once again in this case, that will and does bring harm to us from these kinds of actions, but most of all, to John Norman.

To put matters in a simple way, quit playing something you're NOT! Stop trying the same! But if you do continue, I sure hope you're aware of the consequences from your own action when it's time to pay for them.

Also, I'm not your brother, I haven't shared salt, grass or blood with you, and never will.

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 8:02:28 AM

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He may be speaking of The Mark here is the website but i am not sure. I have never been there but i believe its one of the more popular BDSM type places in Nashville and you can find more info on fetlife by searching for The Mark. But even so, i am not understanding the public flogging idea and why announcing it seems to be something he finds important as being Gorean -- i agree that this can and will feed the frenzy of playing Gorean versus living Gorean especially if he does among Nashville community a concept of mimicing the books with this public flogging concept -- the I AM GOREAN watch me beat my slave publically for her transgressions - but i believe these two play as in BDSM play concept publically every now and again at the Mark, if i remember his journal correctly. i don't know of any Goreans who frequent Nashville area as complete Gorean identification and living same in the way many do here versus BDSM concept with inserting some common Gorean practices they call Gorean. And i have sought same periodically throughout the years. And the community in general aren't very open to Goreans without a concept of BDSM identifying them. Though some could be its sorta taboo subject with many of the ignorances we find on these boards and as on these boards, you have acceptance by some but those who don't are usually the ones so loud you simply don't want to deal with the BS when you want to enjoy yourself. I do want to state that i have met some who are intelligent and don't allow their ignorances or lack of understanding to start a witchhunt and some who are knowledgable to acceptance of same. There are some however who aren't Gorean but seem to live by some of the tenants and philosophies as many people do and they are accepted without the concept of Gorean. So i have drawn the conclusion over the years its Gorean they object to, NOT what creates the concept we live by.

angel

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 9:23:08 AM

Camerius

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Tal Orion,

Well, if it's private club, then yes, it would ( maybe ) exclude the LEO and also the local news. If not, he will get what he deserves and rightly so. This is sadly why we continue to have the ongoing arguments between the Gorean community and the BDSM community from persons like Arturas but too the effort to wide the cliff ( for good or bad ) between these two communities. I still think both could and still can learn something from each others sides, but it does becomes harder to do so whenever things likes this happens, and is in its own way too contributing to the deterioration of any beneficial discussions.

And yes, this will again give a more general understanding of "Gor is all about owning and whipping slaves" that simply isn't true. Not much can be done about it in the end but we whom ARE Goreans continues to go back and explain the reasons as to it not being so, and just have a new to spring up and by their own actions, once more destroy what we try to achieve along with being counter productive to the overall Gorean community and the works of Mr. Norman and himself.

Only time will tell.

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 9:38:29 AM

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Hiya angel,

Yeah it is The Mark. I have a friend that is Gorean, that has several acres closer towards Moreland. He has been there a couple of times, he said, mainly to people watch. Yeah he is pretty reclusive and does not mix with the BDSM community in that area. I actually have relatives (lots of uncles, aunts, and cousins)that live in that area going all the way through to Dunlap and then towards Signal Mountain, and have been to Moreland many times throughout my life. Funny is that Tammy actually looks familiar to me.

Supposed to be going hunting up there soon, and may be stopping in by The Mark.

Thanks for the info.

take care,
Orion

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 12:48:44 PM

Maahsatti

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star's public flogging will be scheduled soon in Nashville. Date and time can be obtained by writing me.

Arturas,

You are aware that if you do indeed flog that girl in "Public", The local authorities will be quickly notified more then likely and that the authorities do NOT need the girl to make a complaint in order for them to arrest you.
Infact they will definately arrest you for either assault or domestic violence, maybe both since they actually go hand and hand.

Despite any and all efforts the girl will make to the Officer's they will still place you under arrest and keep you locked up till either you see the Judge or you Bond out.

So, I truly hope that your intentions and that what you meant to say, was that while the flogging will be public, the public place this will be held is a private club and that the public on lookers will infact be other lifestyle folks, who know what is happening and that all is consentual and coreographed?

Also, if you did mean for it to be out in plain vanilla public sight, not only will it be a legal issue, but it will also send a major signal to NonGorean's that rumors and foolish lies they have been told by people, that Gorean's live in a fantasy world and are violent woman hating thugs, are true without a shadow of a doubt...(in their minds)

I sincerely would hate to think, that this is something you consider a goal and hope that you would not want to flame such ugly rumors.

Maahsatti

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 12:54:52 PM

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 12:58:59 PM

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This is so far beyond the WTF stage that no one under heaven and earth can contemplate the foibles of humankind here demonstrated.

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 3:33:13 PM

Arturas

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

quote:

star's public flogging will be scheduled soon in Nashville. Date and time can be obtained by writing me.

Arturas,

You are aware that if you do indeed flog that girl in "Public", The local authorities will be quickly notified more then likely and that the authorities do NOT need the girl to make a complaint in order for them to arrest you.
Infact they will definately arrest you for either assault or domestic violence, maybe both since they actually go hand and hand.

Despite any and all efforts the girl will make to the Officer's they will still place you under arrest and keep you locked up till either you see the Judge or you Bond out.

So, I truly hope that your intentions and that what you meant to say, was that while the flogging will be public, the public place this will be held is a private club and that the public on lookers will infact be other lifestyle folks, who know what is happening and that all is consentual and coreographed?

Also, if you did mean for it to be out in plain vanilla public sight, not only will it be a legal issue, but it will also send a major signal to NonGorean's that rumors and foolish lies they have been told by people, that Gorean's live in a fantasy world and are violent woman hating thugs, are true without a shadow of a doubt...(in their minds)

I sincerely would hate to think, that this is something you consider a goal and hope that you would not want to flame such ugly rumors.

Maahsatti

Hmm...you could have asked me. If you had, I or star would have told you it would be at a private lifestyle club that we attend regularly as members. I have the skills to perform this properly.

But hey, thanks for the advice anyway.

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 4:04:56 PM

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tammy

maybe its me. i somehow dont think my feelings are unique, though. i would be completely humiliated to know that my actions in the presence of any Free resulted in the comments given to a man who owned me as i have seen on this board over your posts.

i had heard you posted an off hand appology, then i see you have retracted whatever it was that you posted.... again... not the actions of a woman who understands that what she did was wrong.

i may be out of place saying this, and im sure i will be told that i am, if that is true. but disrespect towards the Free, regardless of the issue, is never the place of a slave, especially one who is gorean owned. i chalk it up to your 'newness' and your age, though i know a few girls here much younger who i have never seen do what you have done.

then again, if a man who owned me had to rush in to my defence, i would have begged his punishment, and his forgiveness, for putting him in such a position to begin with.

again, its just me.

tazzy

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 4:20:13 PM

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I doubt you would have had to beg his punishment, and I doubt forgivness would be all that freely given,

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 4:24:11 PM

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quote:

Hmm...you could have asked me. If you had, I or star would have told you it would be at a private lifestyle club that we attend regularly as members. I have the skills to perform this properly.

But hey, thanks for the advice anyway.

Hmm, perhaps you may pardon my lack of trusting that anything you say has any validity to it Arturas, after everything that has transpired here on this forum. Not to mention the fact, that the message star was going to send me, that *you* deleted did not get deleted from my message logs. (smiles)
you see, when 2 people send each other CMail it makes a record of those messages, even though you deleted what star wrote, it still came thru in it's entirety in my records.

Do have a nice evening,
Maahsatti

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 4:31:16 PM

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I doubt you would have had to beg his punishment, and I doubt forgivness would be all that freely given,

Ron

you would be more than correct on both accounts, Master Ron

tazzy

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 4:32:22 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

quote:

Hmm...you could have asked me. If you had, I or star would have told you it would be at a private lifestyle club that we attend regularly as members. I have the skills to perform this properly.

But hey, thanks for the advice anyway.

Hmm, perhaps you may pardon my lack of trusting that anything you say has any validity to it Arturas, after everything that has transpired here on this forum. Not to mention the fact, that the message star was going to send me, that *you* deleted did not get deleted from my message logs. (smiles)
you see, when 2 people send each other CMail it makes a record of those messages, even though you deleted what star wrote, it still came thru in it's entirety in my records.

Do have a nice evening,
Maahsatti

Greetings Mistress Maahsatti,

Or maybe star changed her mind? Just a thought

be well,

zephyr

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RE: Choosing to be a slave - 10/12/2009 4:35:11 PM

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Zeph, I know you want the best for all, but then one should think before one speaks, that is, if she had thought the better of it, there was a reason that should be so, and therefore should have thought the better of it when it was still in the thinking realm.

Is that not so?

Ron

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