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What are your core beliefs - 11/14/2009 1:25:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		What makes you gorean? What are you basic beliefs that you feel make you gorean?

Since I was CRAZY to start this thread I guess I better answer first.

1. I believe that as a man I was born with a inner strength that allows me to be who I am.
2. I have a deep seeded belief that I am my own Master and that I can Master another person and embrace that as much as I embrace myself.
3. My Mastery over another is not a one time thing, it is a daily responsibilty.
4. When I stand by the courage of my convictions I will punish without fear of harm, but rather be secure in the fact that when done right there is a deeper growth her her and I. 
5. I will stand up for myself at all cost.
6. I will not be lax with my property or a FC.
7. I will learn daily and adjust from within.

This was not an easy thing for me to do and I KNOW I have left something off (several things in fact) but I am tired after a long day of work. I look forward to others thoughts on this subject.

I wish you well.
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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/14/2009 5:25:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't believe in Beatles (or their sustenance).... I just believe in me.... Maybe I'll comment more at another time when I am less effected by the "spirits" of Hup.



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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/15/2009 2:33:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SoulSearcherNC

What makes you gorean? What are you basic beliefs that you feel make you gorean?

Since I was CRAZY to start this thread I guess I better answer first.

1. I believe that as a man I was born with a inner strength that allows me to be who I am.
2. I have a deep seeded belief that I am my own Master and that I can Master another person and embrace that as much as I embrace myself.
3. My Mastery over another is not a one time thing, it is a daily responsibilty.
4. When I stand by the courage of my convictions I will punish without fear of harm, but rather be secure in the fact that when done right there is a deeper growth her her and I. 
5. I will stand up for myself at all cost.
6. I will not be lax with my property or a FC.
7. I will learn daily and adjust from within.

This was not an easy thing for me to do and I KNOW I have left something off (several things in fact) but I am tired after a long day of work. I look forward to others thoughts on this subject.

I wish you well.



Tal Soul,

2....You do not need to have property to be a Gorean male, and thus be called a Master by a kajira. You can go through life without having a slave and still be classed as a Master by a slave...

5...A person does have to pick his fights well. I might have true and deep convictions about my beliefs and desires to being true to Gor, but I am not going to push it into the face of a 400 pound security guard...it aint gonna happen. Throughout the books I have seen many a time when Tarl did bide his time, waited for the right opportunity and then struck, knowing that he could have been killed. He knew that his ability with the sword was his weapon against his foes, but he always knew in his mind that there was someone out there that was better than himself.......in my thoughts about him anyways.

I do think that Trevelyn's list and notes were better.

Be well.

Frank Ar.


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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/15/2009 4:23:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

I don't believe in Beatles (or their sustenance).... I just believe in me.... Maybe I'll comment more at another time when I am less effected by the "spirits" of Hup.




Cheers.

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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/15/2009 9:09:21 AM   
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There are two sexes, they're not the same and should not be treated as such.
I believe in that we are all different, therefor we are not the same.
I believe in individual freedom to pursuit what or where is the right place for personal fulfillment, be that inward or outward, within Nature and society to reach this goal.
I believe in natural integrity, personal strength and honesty.
I believe that some are meant to lead and others are meant to follow, regardless of sex.
I believe that we should be part OF Nature, instead of AGAINST Nature.

And lastly, that Earth and our current society would be a better place to live if we lived and thought more Gorean. 

Those are some of my core beliefs so there you go.


I wish you well,

  Camerius









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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/18/2009 5:56:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		What makes me Gorean free man?
- I am sovereign in my territory.
- I love, identify with and am allegiant to my community.
- I identify with and take pride in my work; and strive to do it ethically and excellently.
- I embrace the Gorean morality:
-----The Gorean morality is one of inequalities, based on the assumption that individuals are not the same, but quite different in many ways.
-----Guilt is almost unknown in Gorean morality, though shame and anger are not.
-----Gorean morality is bent toward conquest and defiance.
-----Gorean morality encourages honor, courage, hardness and strength.
-----Gorean morality says, "We are not equal; we are not the same; become equal to me; then we will be the same.
-----The object of Gorean morality is to make people free and great.
-----"Do not ask how to live, but, instead, proceed to do so."
-----"Be strong, and do as you will. The swords of others will set you your limits."
-----"Within the circle of each man's sword, therein is each man an Ubar."
- I take my place in the order of nature
-----In the order of nature, the male animal is the master of the female animal.
- I am allegiant to my clan.
- I have friends.
- I regard the joys of life highly.
- I care for my world.
- I am proud, self-reliant, disciplined, and audacious; a leader, a master, and a man.


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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/20/2009 1:13:47 PM   
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Too often omitted from these compendiums, but central nonetheless in my opinion, is the Gorean sensitivity to and appreciation of beauty.

Too, the passage was devoid of ornament, lacking the mosaics and tapestries with which the beauty-loving Goreans below the mountains are wont to glorify the places of their own habitation. The Priest-Kings, as far as I could tell, had no art. ~Priest Kings

The Gorean is keenly susceptible to beauty; it gladdens his heart, and his songs and art are often paeans to its glory. ~Outlaw

If it isn't beautiful, it isn't Gorean. ~John Norman

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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/20/2009 1:54:01 PM   
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Too often omitted from these compendiums, but central nonetheless in my opinion, is the Gorean sensitivity to and appreciation of beauty.



Very true, and something we all take for granted at times. I know I do, tho there are days where the Sun casts a special light, so soft and almost golden without carrying the burnish you would get from the metal, or the sky being almost icy blue. A blue being so hard, crisp and yet so light you almost looses the world around you from the depth it contains when looking at it.

It is good to be reminded of that beauty and what it means, so thank you for the reminder. I'll try and not take it for granted next time I'll get lost in its marvels.


I wish you well,

  Camerius




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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/20/2009 3:38:06 PM   
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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/20/2009 4:39:13 PM   
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so much  good  things to hear.....i am just thankfull  to be here at this moment ,,,

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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/22/2009 8:05:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SoulSearcherNC

What makes you gorean? What are you basic beliefs that you feel make you gorean?

Since I was CRAZY to start this thread I guess I better answer first.

1. I believe that as a man I was born with a inner strength that allows me to be who I am.
2. I have a deep seeded belief that I am my own Master and that I can Master another person and embrace that as much as I embrace myself.
3. My Mastery over another is not a one time thing, it is a daily responsibilty.
4. When I stand by the courage of my convictions I will punish without fear of harm, but rather be secure in the fact that when done right there is a deeper growth her her and I. 
5. I will stand up for myself at all cost.
6. I will not be lax with my property or a FC.
7. I will learn daily and adjust from within.

This was not an easy thing for me to do and I KNOW I have left something off (several things in fact) but I am tired after a long day of work. I look forward to others thoughts on this subject.

I wish you well.


if what you listed are the qualifications, then i must be a gorean male

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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/22/2009 11:08:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds
quote:

ORIGINAL: SoulSearcherNC

What makes you gorean? What are you basic beliefs that you feel make you gorean?

Since I was CRAZY to start this thread I guess I better answer first.

1. I believe that as a man I was born with a inner strength that allows me to be who I am.
2. I have a deep seeded belief that I am my own Master and that I can Master another person and embrace that as much as I embrace myself.
3. My Mastery over another is not a one time thing, it is a daily responsibilty.
4. When I stand by the courage of my convictions I will punish without fear of harm, but rather be secure in the fact that when done right there is a deeper growth her her and I. 
5. I will stand up for myself at all cost.
6. I will not be lax with my property or a FC.
7. I will learn daily and adjust from within.

This was not an easy thing for me to do and I KNOW I have left something off (several things in fact) but I am tired after a long day of work. I look forward to others thoughts on this subject.

I wish you well.


if what you listed are the qualifications, then i must be a gorean male


Nope.....Only items 1, 5 and 7 have anything even remotely to do with being Gorean. The rest is just being a Master to a slave which has nothing to do with being Gorean. Some of them may be good ideas or goals, but most of the good ideas and goals in the world have nothing to do with being Gorean.

Be well....

Malkinius


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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/23/2009 9:04:46 AM   
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What consistently troubles me about these periodic threads is the temptation to go, "Yup, that's me! I'm in the superior crowd!"

While certainly Norman seems all for striving for excellence, whether by choice or necessity, I think the above thought process completely misses the point.

Rather, this should be consistent self-examination, an ongoing and hard look at our beliefs, choices, behaviors, and the assumptions that govern those, often without our knowledge. Successfully questioning one's own culture and background is difficult, and not achieved in the single act of wanting to emulate fictional representations in Norman's societal analysis.

"Do not ask the stones" and all that. I'd rather see a Gorean than be told I'm looking at one.



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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/23/2009 9:38:47 AM   
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quote:

"Do not ask the stones" and all that. I'd rather see a Gorean than be told I'm looking at one.


Tal, Tim

I like that....
I wish you well
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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/24/2009 11:44:33 AM   
Trevelyan


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Status: offline 		Tal Tim,

I am not quite sure that I understand what you are saying.

I have always focused on the beliefs and values held by the Goreans in the books, and tried to understand how they influenced their actions. Discussion with others here have better helped me understand what I read.

From that I have formed an opinion of the values of the Goreans in the books, and asked myself if those values truly apply to me. And like you said, it requires an ongoing examination of what I really believe and value.

I don't think you meant it this way, but I have never been satisfied that all that was required to be a Gorean was to follow the rest of the "do not ask the stones" quote.

Regarding the OP, I doubt he has read any of the books. I would guess that his knowledge of Gor has been gleaned from about a week in a chat room.

Perhaps this thread will help him realize that right now he really does not have any idea what is Gorean and what is not. I think the fewer ignorant people calling themselves Gorean, the better.

I wish you well

Trevelyan

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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/24/2009 1:22:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tal Trevelyan,

I'm not sure we're at all in disagreement--I agree with everything you just said, and your self-description is accurate.

It's the tendency at times toward an abstract list of Gorean qualities that would fit just about anyone that doesn't strike me as useful.

But I also differ perhaps in that I'm not so sold on a comprehensive criteria for Gorean. Norman presents a wide range of people and values, and among these, several are in flux. The process, the interaction, the challenges, adjustments and adaptations to reality bring out a more complex view of what it is to be human (on Earth or Gor). Certainly, we can set, admire and emulate touchstones. But just as it's easy to be a holy man on a mountain, the collusion of those principles with the unpredictability of daily life hash out who we really are and become.

I know that's a little shadowy. I'm still trying to organize my thoughts for something I see as bottom line practical, not a mystical quote--that's how I see the "stones" line, as pragmatic for those who can live it, elusive for those who can't or won't. It's part of what I was searching around in the Cuwignaka thread and the Priest-Kings thread (which I've still got to get back to).

I don't know if that helps at all. Like you, I'm in the process of sorting out these things, and it's a more real feeling than a coherent sentence at this point. Maybe your thoughts will help it take shape.

Live well,

Tim

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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/24/2009 3:09:43 PM   
Trevelyan


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Thanks for your comments, your thoughts are clearer to me.

I don't think we disagree. We may have a little different point of view on the criteria, but thats ok. My thoughts are that there is a fairly comprehensive set of criteria, that apply whether we are talking about a "civilized" Gorean or a Red Hunter, Red Savage or Torvaldslander - but - that Tarl and some of the other characters are in the process of growing beyond the criteria.

For example, civilized Goreans embrace the Caste Codes. Tarl has learned that sometimes they must be transcended, even though they remain important values for him.

I'll take another look at the Cuwignaka and Priest-King threads.

I wish you well

Trevelyan

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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/24/2009 8:33:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trevelyan

Tal Tim,

I am not quite sure that I understand what you are saying.

I have always focused on the beliefs and values held by the Goreans in the books, and tried to understand how they influenced their actions. Discussion with others here have better helped me understand what I read.

From that I have formed an opinion of the values of the Goreans in the books, and asked myself if those values truly apply to me. And like you said, it requires an ongoing examination of what I really believe and value.

I don't think you meant it this way, but I have never been satisfied that all that was required to be a Gorean was to follow the rest of the "do not ask the stones" quote.

Regarding the OP, I doubt he has read any of the books. I would guess that his knowledge of Gor has been gleaned from about a week in a chat room.

Perhaps this thread will help him realize that right now he really does not have any idea what is Gorean and what is not. I think the fewer ignorant people calling themselves Gorean, the better.

I wish you well

Trevelyan



Read them all several times each, the original series. I stopped at "Whitness" by my choice. Yes I have learned a couple things from this post.  Your hint at me being ignorant is wrong but then we all have our own views.

I wish you well

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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/25/2009 10:09:03 AM   
Trevelyan


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I sincerely compliment you on your effort in reading the books, on the courage of your original post on this thread, and on the dignity of your reply to my post.

Regarding your original post - your list of beliefs do not seem particularly Gorean to me; they seem more like the thoughts of a BDSM oriented master.

I wish you well,

Trevelyan

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RE: What are your core beliefs - 11/29/2009 10:24:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trevelyan

What makes me Gorean free man?
- I am sovereign in my territory.
- I love, identify with and am allegiant to my community.
- I identify with and take pride in my work; and strive to do it ethically and excellently.
- I embrace the Gorean morality:
-----The Gorean morality is one of inequalities, based on the assumption that individuals are not the same, but quite different in many ways.
-----Guilt is almost unknown in Gorean morality, though shame and anger are not.
-----Gorean morality is bent toward conquest and defiance.
-----Gorean morality encourages honor, courage, hardness and strength.
-----Gorean morality says, "We are not equal; we are not the same; become equal to me; then we will be the same.
-----The object of Gorean morality is to make people free and great.
-----"Do not ask how to live, but, instead, proceed to do so."
-----"Be strong, and do as you will. The swords of others will set you your limits."
-----"Within the circle of each man's sword, therein is each man an Ubar."
- I take my place in the order of nature
-----In the order of nature, the male animal is the master of the female animal.
- I am allegiant to my clan.
- I have friends.
- I regard the joys of life highly.
- I care for my world.
- I am proud, self-reliant, disciplined, and audacious; a leader, a master, and a man.



What more could  be said?

Well met, Trevelyan


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