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FrankAr -> People replying to posts. (11/27/2009 1:10:46 AM)

Tal and greetings all,

I have thought about this for only a little while, but it has struck me so many times without it even coming up on my mental radar.

Now when someone starts a topic and asks about something of a Gorean theme, I think there could be a great discussion of the matter. I always like to see people from all walks of life to offer their views in the topic and to see what their eyes see in the matter. I have no concern for what type of life they lead, just as long as they stick to the topic and not be argumentive.

Now my concern is when people try to express their views with their thoughts on the Gor series and then let us know that they have not read them for the past decade. I mean if you want to have your view and then try to back it up with the books, then read them within the last few months at least. If you give your view and then just let us know that you read them a decade or so ago and then do not try to force your opinion down our throats, that is ok. It becomes a bit tasteless when they try to force an issue upon the world when their last read was a decade ago and they try to continue the argument without having gone back to the books to read it.

Maybe it is just me being in a bitchy mood, and it is friday and getting closer to chrissy and I am writing my list to father christmas, like I do every year, but lo and behold he still has not given me that damn kajira.....chuckles away....maybe it is my writing about the way I want the kajira.....chuckles even more. Have a great and peaceful weekend. Be well.

Frank Ar.



LaTigresse -> RE: People replying to posts. (11/27/2009 7:45:45 AM)

Hello Frank,

I just saw this scroll by the top of my screen otherwise I may not have seen it at all.........for obvious reasons. I am going to give a few thoughts that came to my mind an let it unfold as it will.

Obviously I do not identify as gorean and never will. I do not believe in any sort of blanket gender superiourity which I have seen to be a strong thread running through the gorean philosophy. In my mind's eye it is no different a way of thinking than many of the female supremacists. Different strokes for different folks. People of both lifestyles that I've come to regard highly, but neither is something I can believe in personally.

However, both philosophies and a few of the people that believe in such, have beliefs of personal conduct and morality that I do believe in, so I refuse to demean either on a personal basis. However, people being people, not everyone feels the same way I do. In discussions with either group, I've encountered negativity directed towards me, simply based upon their personal belief system and my not fitting their self perceived moulds. I accept that, it is human nature to ridicule, belittle, whatever........things we do not understand or agree with. We ALL like to think our chosen way is best. Quite often instead of believe it is simply best for ourself, we create a blanket of encompassing all humanity in our own personal life choice. Thinking the entire world would be a better place if everyone else conformed to our chosen way. We see it in religioun, in politics, and here.

As I stated before, much of the issues discussed on the forums, regardless of where, are issues of humanity, personal morals, etc......things that are not just gorean or female supremacy, but things that apply to many that will either identify as one of those or like me, neither. Many times a subject will scroll by and catch my eye, I may very well read the thread then notice the location of the thread and avoid posting because I believe the location, and others that will post will view my participation as an intrusion because I do not believe as they do in most all things, such as gorean philosophy. However, there are many others on the forums that will likely not refrain from posting then will pose a thought that is not compatible with all things gorean or female supremacy, then all hell can break lose. It is a shame because I believe that only in objectively learning about opposing viewpoints, can we often really learn and grow as human beings.

No I have not read the books and no I won't. No more than I will read the latest craze of Twilight books. The topic does not interest me and from what I did skim at one time, they are too poorly written for me to want to read them. But I can be considerate of some of the people that have read them and did find something of value in them. I can be considerate of another's belief system yet have an opposing point of view. I can even share some of the personal morality and have a constructive opinion about a topic of discussion that is relevant to a lifestyle chosen based upon the books. But for the most part, I've chosen to avoid posting here in the gorean section because there are too many people that will not read what I write and give it any weight at all either because of my gender or whatever about me bothers them and their belief system.

So I think you will either get people like myself, that may read but due to past experience refrain from adding to a discussion, or those that will instead post simply to create a stir and dig at the philosophy most of the people share, rather than stick to the topic.

Perhaps I am going too off topic for what you wished in this thread and if so I apologise. Just my rambling thoughts.

Regards,

LeeAnn



Maahsatti -> RE: People replying to posts. (11/27/2009 11:08:26 AM)

Oh Frank,

Does that mean we must watch horrid old movies over and over to update and refresh our memories of them too?..liiike, that move about Gor?

*winces and laughs* j/k hon.

Hope you had a nice Holiday,
Maah



FrankAr -> RE: People replying to posts. (11/28/2009 2:35:02 AM)

Greetings LeeAnn,

You see this is where I am all for anyone coming into the forumn and just stating what they have on their mind without all the bitchying shit and crap. I do not mind, how you have stated from the start, that you are not Gorean, I am cool with that. I do not care if you want to wave the flag of female supremecy, for if I do not like it, well shit yeah there is a hide button on the corner of the page and I can use that.

The botton line is that if you come into the Gor forum and thread and just stay on topic, or if you go off topic a bit and then come back on track, no probs. It is those that just chest thump when they then say that they read the books 10 years ago, that is what sticks in my side. Why stop reading the books and then continue to call yourself Gorean. I mean as a policeman or nurse, if you want to be kept called that then you better keep on reading up to date material and keep your fitness up. I mean, no offense, I would not like a damn fat policeman trying to tell me that he will get a murderer, or a nurse that has not been in the field for a decade or 2 and tell me that they will look after a family sibling. It does not make sense.

I also dislike the people that come across and cause a shit stir, well again there is the hide button. If they want to go and shit stir, let them do that to a Mod and see how long they do that shit for.

But for all intent and purposes, anyone can come in and post, just have a damn good voice and have good facts to back yourself up with.

Be well.

Frank Ar.



FrankAr -> RE: People replying to posts. (11/28/2009 2:39:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

Oh Frank,

Does that mean we must watch horrid old movies over and over to update and refresh our memories of them too?..liiike, that move about Gor?

*winces and laughs* j/k hon.

Hope you had a nice Holiday,
Maah



Greetings Maah,

I love the old movies though...The Killer Tomatos, Mars Attacks, The Thing...1959 version, but some movies I think the horror night mares can just stay in the back of the mind..like the Gor movies which I have yet to see. Maybe when I cruise back over to the states you can have a movie night at your place and show them for me.....just chuckles away like mad.

Be well.

Frank Ar.



AlwaysLisa -> RE: People replying to posts. (11/28/2009 5:14:03 PM)

quote:

It is those that just chest thump when they then say that they read the books 10 years ago, that is what sticks in my side. Why stop reading the books and then continue to call yourself Gorean.


Happy Holiday Season everyone,

I read this sentence and the first thing that popped into my mind was why on earth would you continue reading the series..we aren't excactly talking about literary genius here.  Usually, once or twice will do ya :)   It's always fun to go back and re-read, for entertainment value or to see if the old memory is still functioning, but honestly, the typing or story line don't change..or get any better.

Since I am one of the offending parties who usually starts out by saying "its been along time since I have read the books"...I wanted to reply.   I try to always include the statement, "I am not gorean", but in case it's left out...I didn't want anyone to misconstrue my words or meaning.

It's important to stay up to date on the latest in any field, however I'm not sure this series of books qualifies since the text is the same as it was when originally written, JMHO.

People change and evolve, the books don't.  

Lisa




nephandi -> RE: People replying to posts. (11/28/2009 5:28:25 PM)

Greetings

I do not think that it is necessary to have read the Gor books no longer than a few months back to be able to give good replies. Most remember books far longer than that and most on this forum have the books in their shelfs so they can check out references if necessary. As there are 27 Gor books, unless you read very very fast or have extraordinary amounts of free time, if you are supposed to read all the books every few months then you get to do little else.

I agree however that to try to force opinions down others throats becomes a bit annoying, also I think there is allot more to being Gorean than being able to find a quote for every situation. To me the Gor books are inspiration, they raise good ideas and contain a good philosophy for how to focus my life, but if I can not find my way without a quote on what Tarl said to Samus on such and such occasion which might be relevant to the current situation then I am basically screwed in my opinion. Just using quotes to try to force things down others throats is the same as when Christians tote the Bible in the same way.

I wish you well.



LadyPact -> RE: People replying to posts. (11/28/2009 5:47:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FrankAr

Greetings LeeAnn,

You see this is where I am all for anyone coming into the forumn and just stating what they have on their mind without all the bitchying shit and crap. I do not mind, how you have stated from the start, that you are not Gorean, I am cool with that. I do not care if you want to wave the flag of female supremecy, for if I do not like it, well shit yeah there is a hide button on the corner of the page and I can use that.

The botton line is that if you come into the Gor forum and thread and just stay on topic, or if you go off topic a bit and then come back on track, no probs. It is those that just chest thump when they then say that they read the books 10 years ago, that is what sticks in my side. Why stop reading the books and then continue to call yourself Gorean. I mean as a policeman or nurse, if you want to be kept called that then you better keep on reading up to date material and keep your fitness up. I mean, no offense, I would not like a damn fat policeman trying to tell me that he will get a murderer, or a nurse that has not been in the field for a decade or 2 and tell me that they will look after a family sibling. It does not make sense.

I also dislike the people that come across and cause a shit stir, well again there is the hide button. If they want to go and shit stir, let them do that to a Mod and see how long they do that shit for.

But for all intent and purposes, anyone can come in and post, just have a damn good voice and have good facts to back yourself up with.

Be well.

Frank Ar.



Like LaT, I merely saw this on the scroll and was curious.  I don't venture to this forum often.  While I respect a number of the regular posters, I also tend to find this board has quite a few who tend to have an elitist view.

That aside, I do have a question about the highlighted above.  It seems to Me that you are using an incorrect analogy.  People in the medical field are re-certified in their profession because of advances in medicine.  In other words, they aren't reading the same material over and over again.  They aren't going back to the same text books. 

It seems to Me that this would be correct if there were new books of Gor by the same author, coming out every year or two.  If they are the same books, there isn't especially a need to read them over and over.  Would you suggest that I no longer consider Myself a leather person because, even though it's the way I live My life, that it's been a year since I read "The Leatherman's Handbook"?



FrankAr -> RE: People replying to posts. (11/28/2009 10:43:14 PM)

Lisa,

You do understand where you inform us about not being Gorean, not having read the books for a while. No hassle with that, and you know when to stop an argument ahead of time and let it be.

But you see some people don't, they just want to make a snippet against the life and have arguments with people just for the fun of it.

You also have to remember that it is not the wirtten word that people like to read in the Gor series but the philos behind the word. It may be poorly written and close to having you shake your head as to why it was taken up by a publisher, but you have to delve deeper than the written word, delve deeper knowing that it is written for a counter earth.

Be well.

Frank Ar.



FrankAr -> RE: People replying to posts. (11/28/2009 10:49:11 PM)

Greetings Pact,

Even though you do not read the Leatherman's book over and over in a year, does this mean you do not glance over some websites about the life that you live continuously. With my example I was trying to point out that I would not have someone look after another if they have NOT kept up with the latest ways of nursing. If the person is to lazy to keep up, then I would not let them even close to someone I know.

Even though you do not read the book, there are other books that you do read, to keep up with the knowledge of keeping yourself in the life that you love.

The need to read and then re read the novels is not to embrace the writing standard but the philos behind the words.

Be well.

Frank Ar.



Naturallurker -> RE: People replying to posts. (11/29/2009 1:54:59 AM)

FR

At the risk of sounding elitist there are just a few points that sprang to mind in the reading of this thread.

Frank's initial point that to say "I read them 10 years ago" is not enough to validate any particular argument, has merit, not simply because the books themselves have changed (revised versions,the latest book etc) but also because to an extent there is a subliminal implication that the 10 years ago reader was not sufficiently interested in them to continue re-reading in an academic way.

Over the years many followers of the Gorean books have gone on to read them and make comparative studies with other philosophers works and are continuing to do so. Many read a post or essay and go on to explore some avenue that up to that point they might not have considered. To a degree the understanding of the books is constantly evolving, deepening, being enriched by new connections, re-examined in the light of new (to the student) strands of philosophy. Which while, not changing the books themselves, can change the readers ability to see what is being asked by the books.

Lets face it, a great number of people will have skim read the illegal files that for years were spread to almost viral proportions, some people will have started the series, been put off by the rather distinctive style and zoned out while reading them, some people will have enjoyed them for the tales of daring do that at face value is often how they appear. Reading any text in  an attempt to glean whatever philosophy it may or may not contain is a skill. It is not the routine bed time reading approach, not everyone that reads the series even wants to read them at the enquiring into the philosophy level, and there is nothing wrong with that. But if that describes you, why would you then go on and tell those who have read deeper subtexts that they are wrong in what they found within the series?

What I personally find difficult, is the person who says "I have not read the books, I have not informed  myself on the actual philosophy contained in them, or those on which it draws" and who then proceeds to tell me and others like me, what I believe. I find that type of thinking to be ugly and illogical, akin to telling some one standing in the same corner of the book shop that they like the same books you do, simply because those books have shared a shelf under some system of cataloguing . Not only is it ugly IMO, but it is an example specifically of what the Gorean philosophy speaks against, the artificial attempt to make everything the same. Little wonder then that many Goreans dislike such a stance as a strangers introduction, no?


(edited to remove an errant comma)



starshineowned -> RE: People replying to posts. (12/2/2009 12:39:40 AM)

Greetings..

Sadly I must give bad news Master. They are no longer sending mail to Santa in the North Pole. I guess postage costs are to much. :(

starshine





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