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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 2:07:02 PM

nephandi

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Greetings

What do you put in the words Master? Do you mean like in master of a craft? I am sure there are several women both free or slaves who is masters of some sort of craft or skill, or are you thinking as in dominant?

First of all for my explanation to make any sense you have to understand that the Gorean lifestyle is not structured like BDSM is, being dominant is not about who had the whip. The Gorean lifestyle is a lifestyle based around a set of books and the cultures which inspired them. It is a different way to live ones lives. Gorean have free women, and they are called Mistress by the slaves, but we are not dominants as most BDSM folks would see it, we are simply the non slave women, the women who stand beside our men instead of at their feet.

There are some male slaves in the Gorean lifestyle. One of them kajjirus have answered on this tread already. But male slaves are few and far between and they are often scorned by other Goreans. As to why. The Gorean philosophy see men as dominant and women as submissive. Some Goreans tolerate very dominant women and very submissive men as differences from the norm, but differences are normal to, others, and to be honest the majority think such is unnatural. I belong to the former category and think that if a man is truly submissive and a woman is truly dominant then it is definitely ok for them to pursue their nature as much as any of us.

I hope this answers your questions.

I wish you well.

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 2:14:33 PM

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I would argue that this is a thing of the books. In the books men have far stronger legal rights than do women, so men are supported in keeping women down. Even to the point where a strong woman have to bow down to a weak man, not because he is stronger but because he have the strength of numbers in his back, many who will back him up.

But is not the Gorean lifestyle about being all you can be, to follow ones nature and if a talented, skilled woman is being held back by a mediocre man, should she not then get rid of him and find someone who will support her since in this world a weak man do not have the strength of numbers in his back to keep a woman down, leaving women free to find men of quality. Or in other words, just having a penis do not give a male rights over a woman in our world, he have to actually be a man to.

I wish you well

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 2:42:24 PM

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quote:

A female ruler are only as strong in her ruling as the men around her allows her to be. If not so, they will either abandon her or dethrone her, how much power does she then have to continue?

This is the same for a male ruler. A ruler is but one person, he or she rules as long as their subjects which is many allow. History is full of male rules having been dethroned.

Gor as in the books and the lives of living Goreans can not really be compared that easy. In many of the cities women had nearly no rights, the men in her lives had that right, and why did they have that? Because the pepole around them allowed them to have that right. In a society that is always the case, one can go as far as the laws of a society, or the will of one's neighbors allow. A living Gorean man in the lifestyle on Earth do not have that society's backing. He can order his free companion around, but those around him will not allow him more than words, and the woman can leave.

I am not allowed to do anything I please, if I run naked around town or hit someone on the street, the Police will come for me. On Gor a free woman was not allowed to disobey her Companion for if she did and resisted his punishments, society would support him. Society put limits on what pepole can do, either sex, here in the real world, and in the fantasy world of Gor.

Now I obey my Companion in many things, he is smarter than me, and I enjoy being with him and being his Companion and as he is stronger than me, I defer to him and do not need to make myself smaller to be weaker than he is. He also support the things I want to do in life. He is a good man. However if he denied me the things I care enough about, or wanted to take me down lines in my lives I do not want to go, I would tell him no, when I became free, I got the choice to say no, and as he do not have the backing of a society who give more rights to men than to women, the worst he can do unless I agree to his sanctions is to leave me.

As a woman I want to be with a stronger man. I want my Companion to be the leader. But as Earth is not Gor, I do not have to die for standing my ground should he put rules or sanctions on me that I can not and will not obey.

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I also don't agree that there was nothing to stop you from being as mouthy or bitchy or nasty and disagreeable as you wished. Remember, the sword of others.

This is true, the swords of others set the limit of what a person can do, man or woman. He or she have to decide if they want to follow the dictates of those with stronger or more swords, or go their own way and die for it. Now the swords of others support men doing what they want with women on Gor, not so here in the real life on Earth.

I wish you well.

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 2:43:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

I would argue that this is a thing of the books. In the books men have far stronger legal rights than do women, so men are supported in keeping women down. Even to the point where a strong woman have to bow down to a weak man, not because he is stronger but because he have the strength of numbers in his back, many who will back him up.

But is not the Gorean lifestyle about being all you can be, to follow ones nature and if a talented, skilled woman is being held back by a mediocre man, should she not then get rid of him and find someone who will support her since in this world a weak man do not have the strength of numbers in his back to keep a woman down, leaving women free to find men of quality. Or in other words, just having a penis do not give a male rights over a woman in our world, he have to actually be a man to.

I wish you well

Argue away then. But this is not just a thing of the books, it is also evident over the centuries when women have held seat of power. In that they have relied on the men around them for support and for continuation. While there seems to be legalities of women having a weaker stand than men, I strongly disagrees in that they're there to keep women down. They're there more in the lines of preventing the family possessions or business to disappear from her being enslaved, than from keeping her down because she's a woman. And when you look at it, it does make some sense to secure it that way.

Whether or not if a female should leave a man that is weaker than her, I'll let up for her to decide as I can't say. I'm not her nor am I in that relationship. And no, having a penis has (again) nothing to do with what I'm saying hence my addition of "Might isn't always or equals right, this too goes for Goreans." to AnimusRex.

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 2:50:42 PM

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quote:

This is the same for a male ruler. A ruler is but one person, he or she rules as long as their subjects which is many allow. History is full of male rules having been dethroned.

Yes, but since we're talking about Free Women here (NOT male or men rulers), I have, just as I told eponavet, kept out of mentioning them because they're not in the picture. Remember, we're talking about Free Women here, nothing else. Well, at least I am, and are trying to keep it in that direction (and failing too from what I can see).

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 2:53:41 PM

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Greetings

quote:

Argue away then. But this is not just a thing of the books, it is also evident over the centuries when women have held seat of power. In that they have relied on the men around them for support and for continuation.

Yes but the exact same thing is true for male rules. He rely on his men to keep him in power by their support, if he looses that he looses his position of power.

quote:

While there seems to be legalities of women having a weaker stand than men, I strongly disagrees in that they're there to keep women down. They're there more in the lines of preventing the family possessions or business to disappear from her being enslaved, than from keeping her down because she's a woman. And when you look at it, it does make some sense to secure it that way.

Family property is one thing. Though actually in the Gor books, owning property where one place where women was about equal to men. However, how those laws is keeping women down is this. Le us say a woman want to be a hunter, her father say no, he want her to be the Companion of some rich man, the woman go out and become a hunter anyway, the father try to punish the woman, she resist and the city guard go in and assist the father. That is how laws keep woman down. Not the strength of the men around her, but laws and a society supporting the men.

I wish you well

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 3:25:08 PM

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Greetings Camerius,

I tried to prompt readers that you were not speaking exclusively to just Free Women, with my statments to you, but alas it seems a disclaimer may be needed for every post, just so that it is understood. I agree that the disussion is from a poster specifically asking about "Female Masters", and that is how I see you answering. This is also why I said I would exapnd on my comments, because the OP is specific, and the discussion on this can, and has become very broad.

Live well,
Orion

quote:

ORIGINAL: Camerius

quote:

This is the same for a male ruler. A ruler is but one person, he or she rules as long as their subjects which is many allow. History is full of male rules having been dethroned.

Yes, but since we're talking about Free Women here (NOT male or men rulers), I have, just as I told eponavet, kept out of mentioning them because they're not in the picture. Remember, we're talking about Free Women here, nothing else. Well, at least I am, and are trying to keep it in that direction (and failing too from what I can see).

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 3:37:28 PM

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Tal Orion,

Alas, I too think we have moved far beyond what was asked for as well as muddied the waters along the way from same.

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 3:53:14 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Camerius

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Nothing stops a free woman in Gor from doing anything she wishes if she has the ability and talent to do so.

The men around her does so. If she do not have their support, she won't get very far no matter how much talent, skill or ability for it she might possess. This is a mistake than many does, in that being a free woman gives them a card blanch to do as they please, while it not being so. She will have to bow to the man or men she is around if he or they decides it to be otherwise.

I wish you well,

Camerius

As it pertains to Gorean FW then, this is the statement that prompted the ensuing discussion and questions about women - both as it pertains to the books and in the "lifestyle" as this forum labels it.

If someone makes this statement and others tried to understand further, it might be helpful to have the discussion morph into one that answers additional posters' comments as well as the OP's.

So, as it pertains to this post, i am asking - doesn't this apply to both men AND women (as i believe Orion stated shortly after this post....), and if so, why the need to make the distinction in the first place? I understand that the books have a different set of societal laws laid out than exist here, but if all people on Gor - and those who live according to the philosophy laid out in the books - are held to the standard of allowing the swords of others to set their limits (or not - if they have the swiftest sword so to speak) then how does the statement that a woman "won't get very far no matter how much ability, talent or skill she might possess" fit into the philosophical system that is reflected in the books? I would like some clarification as it pertains to FW, not necessarily leaders, although using that analogy to try and make the same point seemed reasonable to me.

Thanks!

~ epona

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 4:15:08 PM

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Greetings animal healer,

Some of the reason for the distinction maybe the ratio of males to females in the following areas:

US Armed Forces - 10 to 1
Police - 6 to 1
Politicians - 5 to 1

Male to Female ration of population 1.01 to 1

So even in western cultures, where there is a more eglitarian view, natural stratification puts males into the top three areas that defend a person's rights through force and politics. One would need to examine the reasons for this. Many wish to state it is still hidden patriarchy, which is a more PC view, and may be true, but I do not think so. It seems more likely that these positions are more in line with how males operate on a psychological an sociological scale (in general).

So to pass legal rights it requires primarily males. To enforce legal rights it requires primarily males. To defend legal rights it requires primarily males. None of this is to say that women do not do some of the same things, but in a bell curve they are in the lower percentile.

So applyin Camerius' statement even in western society, once things are put into perspective, it seems to stand. This is not a negative or positive thing, it just appears as if it just is.

Maybe I am off base, but I have read and been in discussion with Camerius before, and if I remember correctly (age is making my memory less accurate sometimes) this should be close to another discussion on another forum.

Live well,
Orion

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 5:52:57 PM

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Greetings

I would also put that often men and women go into the military for different reasons. Men often go into the military from a wish to defend their nation, or the ideal of that nation, women often do so for practical reasons. I considered going into the military when i was in school. I was offered a engineers education, I had the physical ability to make it. If I had I would have come out with a complete eduction for free and no education mortgage. But I listened to my mother's wishes and did not join up. But anyway, I considered joining for practical purposes. And I know many military women are military to achieve some practical goal, like free education. Though off course this is not true for all.

Most men are more aggressive then women, most men are more willing to sacrifice for an ideal, like the ideals of their nation. This makes sense. Men are built to hunt and protect the pack, he takes the grater risk and get grater authority, women are built to nurture the young, she can not allow herself to be killed as she need to take care of the young. There is no denying that men and women are different. However not all are the same, there are aggressive, idealistic more male minded women, and there are nurturing, practical more female minded men.

I think there will always be more male soldiers and leaders than women. However women can fight when there really is need, there is also a bit of a society difference here. In Viking society, where women had very strong rights, women had the right to throw away their place in society and protection as women and become warriors on equal footing with men. In several Celtic cultures the number of women warriors was rather high. So a bit of the ratios are society based as well, but even in these societies the ratio of men to women as fighters and leaders was rather high.

Most the the time women are less likely to be willing to stand up and fight for a right. Really fight for it with something to loose, not writing angry comments on forums or newspapers. Like the suffragettes who risked being outcasts from their families in a time where a woman alone faced a very difficult life or even being thrown in jail. However if men to day tried to take women's right to vote, to decide which one to marry, to work and other such basic rights away. I do think that women of today would not give up such rights so easy. I know I would not.

I wish you well

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 8:22:35 PM

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Tal Orion,

Nopes, not off base at all and pretty close to target.

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 8:26:35 PM

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You miss the point Nephandi, and I do not have the patience to direct you to it.

Live well,
Orion

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 8:33:30 PM

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I think you are being very simplistic in your views Camerius, none of us are free to do anything we want without some sort of limit.

When I decide to do anything I first have to take into account how it will affect my family, but that is true for anyone, if you regularly ignore the wishes of those you live with you won’t stay married/living with them for long. But that is true of both men and women.

If I want to blow the months wages on a huge plasma TV and then start a row about how it is my right as its my wages my marriage wont last long, but also the same applies to my husband as I wouldn’t put up with that type of behaviour from him either.

If I decide I want that TV and don’t want to pay for it and so steal it I then have to deal with the result of being arrested for theft.

We all have to abide by compromise, and the laws of the society we live in. but those precepts apply to both men and women, relationships last or fail by the actions of both of the parties not just one. Compromise is the key for a healthy adult partnership, something that is sadly lacking in most relationships today.

I compromise on some things, he compromises on others, that’s why it works, because we are both free and we both make decisions together.

Cheryl

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/28/2009 9:11:36 PM

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My views might be very simplistic, which to me is a good way to both keep perspective and too make any interaction as easy to understand as possible. Also, Gorean Philosophy is pretty simplistic and to some degree so are the hand in hand ethos as well. It's only when we start taking them apart and try to find our individual answers from this that things gets a bit more complicated but too a lot more interesting. Unless you mean simplistic as in my views being stupid or naive of cause. Maybe why it's good to keep meanings and words in a discussion...simplistic, right? ;O)

And yes, we're all free to do what we want to do along with a cost for that freedom of choice. Also, I don't compromise with anything. I follow the rules and laws of my country, but only as long as I see the good or usefulness in them . When I don't do so then yes, I pay the personal price for it which I fully understands and agrees with (won't be the first nor the last time I do so). Thing is, I don't let anything or anyone keep me from achieving what I want to do which also means that at times I might have to go against what is seen as the societal norm or conventions to do so. I don't *have* to do anything, I do however *choose* to do it instead if I can see the good or usefulness in it. Again, it's my choice to make, no one else, and from that my ass on the line if I fall from it.

But if that is how you and your husband lives, and it works for you, then that is good. I however don't live that way, and the way I have chosen has worked out pretty well for me so far. I see no wrong in either. /shrug

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/29/2009 6:44:12 AM

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G'morning, folks,

I much enjoyed your post, AnimusRex, thank you!

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex
The only rule seems to be, if you can gather power and influence among your peers, then what you say is accepted; if you can't, you are ostracized.

Kinda like the books.

Just in case anyone else missed this point here....allow me to simplify it....

PEOPLE who achieve power keep it only through the support of those PEOPLE around them.

This is the Gorean way. You get what you accept. Don't like what's in front of you? STOP accepting it & demand better. IF you have the power AND support to achieve your unified will in the matter, your demands will be met. This is about power, which does not HAVE a gender, nor does it recognize one.

But...yeah....the gender issue...

*muses*

...Nah....not the issue.

Well wishes, folks!

~Kimveri

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/29/2009 9:02:20 AM

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Hiya Kimveri,

You could have come along a little sooner and saved me some time posting.

Live well,
Orion

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/29/2009 8:30:24 PM

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Hi again Camerius,

Ok you have me on the simplistic issue. What I was trying badly to say was that your words were biased towards only showing one side of things, ignoring the fact that what you say about women also applies to men.

We all have limits in our lives that we agree to abide by, when we don’t abide by them we then deal with the consequences of those actions, that is our choice.

As you very clearly said you decide what you will and won’t choose to abide by, but it seems to me that you believe that Gorean free women do not have this choice where as I believe they do.

If the man I am around doesn’t like how I am I will leave, simple and straight forward unless he is in my house and then I will ask him to leave. “Slaves” in our society also have that choice; no one has to bow to anyone if they choose not to. If you choose to enforce otherwise then you accept the consequences of that action up to and including imprisonment depending on your own actions that is the nature of the society we live in, the reality we live in.

Cheryl

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 11/30/2009 6:20:51 AM

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Okey, once more, I left out the side of men because this is not what this thread was about. I have stated this over and over again. But it looks like it's not working. Even when I have said "yes, this goes for men too but is of no matter here" to then return to talk solely on the point I'm trying to get across, the other side gets dragged in when it's of no debatable relevance. Remember, this is about Free Women only. Nothing else and why I by a very clear intention left out men in the equation.

Oh, I DO believe that Gorean Free Woman have this choice too (as well as many others), just that it is in a sense a harder one, because she can't just do everything she likes. If she goes against what her FC, father, brother or the men around her allows or wishes then she won't do it. She can, but will have to pay for her action. Yes, same goes for men, but again, this is not what is being discussed here and as such left out by me.

Again, the reason as to why this is, is that she will abide to her FC, father, brother, the Gorean men around her as she is a woman. He is the leader, she is the follower going from the differences in our sexes (males mostly dominant/females mostly submissive). This is what a Gorean female knows and accepts, be she free or slave. I know that many would like to think that Free Women could just waltz off and have a carte blanche for whatever she wanted to or how she could behave. This is not so. All she does have is more leeway than a slave to behave, but only so far as what the men around her allows. The same goes for choices. If she don't like them then she has the choices of trying to escape the restrictions and conventions of Gorean society that are put on Free Women either by becoming enslaved OR try and escape North to the forests there. Remember Gorean society is a strongly male dominated one.

I also live in this reality with the following nature of our surrounding society and its standards and as such I also follows my country's laws. The difference is that I just don't let them inhibit me for how I live or in making my choices for same. Also I don't force, trick or manipulate anyone into something they don't want to do, not from this being against the law or the norm and conventions of our present day society but because this is against my own personal codes as well as the codes of my Home Stone but also in how I sees and understands Gorean philosophy and its ethos.

But yes, it has consequences to live this way and as I wrote, I fully understand the personal costs for my choices if/when they go against my surroundings, as well as I accept this being so and even agrees with it. I have before pay for this and will properly do so again at another time. But so far, the way I have chosen to live my life has worked out pretty well. And yes, this IS in this reality and society. ;O)

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: Are there female Gorean masters - 12/5/2009 9:22:00 PM

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Yanno, for years I’ve heard that “Gorean Free Women are only free because men allow it.”

What a pile of crap.

A big, steaming pile of crapola.

That statement causes damage. To men and to women who follow a Gorean path.

Nobody “allows” me to be free. I earned that. If you said “you are a slave!” it wouldn’t change my status any more than saying “you are a duck” would make me grow feathers.

When interacting with free Goreans, you will be tested. Your insights, your opinions, the consistency of your words and actions will all be observed closely. You will be judged. Any status you have will be what you have earned within that group. You earned it, you own it. Whether you are male or female.

To say a woman is only what men allow her to be is to diminish her character and abilities. A man who is strong and comfortable in his own skin and his place in the world won’t be threatened by a strong, free woman. Gorean men don’t need to put women down to validate themselves.

If I have to pretend I’m less of a person to make him feel more like a man… he’s not a Gorean man.

Neither gender is “better” than the other. We’re just different. And every free Gorean should be encouraged to live up to the fullest of their potential. They don’t need anyone’s permission.

Permission is for slaves.

Wish you well,

~Dangrus

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"The journey is more important than the destination."

http://dangrus.blogspot.com/

(in reply to Camerius)

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