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What drew you - 12/1/2009 7:32:10 AM

starshineowned

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Greetings..

As strange as it may sound..what I identified with in the books that I read wasn't anything really to do with slavery (other than yes the tantilizing fantasy aspect)..It was the living natural order. The clear distinction and recognition that man and woman were different, both essential in their roles, and no need to change or alter that because the societies as a whole embraced this.

It no doubt left me wandering what the heck happened to us. I know we lived and understood these things to a very close resemblance without question really. Where did it all go, and why did it change so drastically?

That was the base draw for me, and I was wondering what it was initially that clicked for others.

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RE: What drew you - 12/1/2009 2:40:53 PM

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Greetings starshine,

Natural stratification, the fundamentals of Gorean Morality, pride in your work and profession, codes to live by, consequences for our actions and emphasis on strength (comes in many shapes and sizes) being a primary trait that gains reward. All but the Gorean Morality was something I already believed in and practiced.

take care,
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RE: What drew you - 12/1/2009 5:01:23 PM

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greetings starshine

First of all, and entirely off topic... yer hippie is showing

On topic, and second... what drew me was the notion that "I" was in control of my future, not society, not my upbringing or my heritage... I,,, alone... was the determining factor.

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RE: What drew you - 12/1/2009 7:38:54 PM

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Greetings starshine,

What drew me was the fact that I could just be myself. I mean that I was in some of the BDSM chat rooms and then a few times in real life talking with people, and I found it so stifling. I could not be myself. The females had the power in such a way, that they could just mouth off and then thrust into the face, I am with someone go and take it up with them. Of course the person they are with would think it all a gag, in real life and online and it just shook my head.

Then someone introduced me to a chat room with a Gorean theme, it opened a door that I stepped through and then went forward. I could be myself. My actions did have consequences in a way that people either then blew me off as a real dick or shook my hand and then talked about anything and everything. After some time I started to read the novels, and that opened my eyes more to what had happened in the rooms and then meeting with females, that had wanting a slave in their heart did not happen to become a physical thing for their earth womens lib lives....LOL.

I just see Gor as being in control and having consequences for your actions, not blaming another. Stand up and just do it. Move forward and be accountable. The Gorean thing is that males and females have the same theme, whether FM or FW or slave, be accountable. A FM has his honour and moral, a FW has her freedom, a slave has their desires to be mastered and enslaved by the right person.

Be well.

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RE: What drew you - 12/1/2009 10:35:57 PM

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Greetings,

What first hooked me to the Gor books was the totality of slavery. Where the Master have absolute power and authority, and the slave have zero. Where a slave, even if she succeeds in running away from one Master, will only fall into the hands of another Master. Where a slave is expected to be no more than a slave and no less, forever. It seemed like a world which I could be comfortable in, where I would know exactly where my place is no matter where I go, and people will keep me in my place if I am out of line.

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RE: What drew you - 12/1/2009 10:39:30 PM

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What drew me?

Tuchuk girls bellydancing. Years and years ago that was what got me hooked on the scene. Since then I haven't stayed pure gorean in philosophy or practice, but I still have the fetish for bellydancing.

Just kidding. Well... mostly kidding.

I think it's about two things for me. One is the primality. You don't get much more base, unsublimated, raw in terms of alha male gender role than Gor.

The second is the protocol and tradition is nicely elaborate. There's alot to draw from that's really useful, and I didn't realise how handy having all the traditions lined up were until one day when I tried to train a non Gorean slave.

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RE: What drew you - 12/1/2009 11:43:09 PM

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Never was a question of getting slave or cyber cunt to go this way.

I was told by a girl I knew back in 2000-01 about the books and that I would find them of interest to me. When I asked her why that was so, her reply was "It isn't what you say but how you are". So, I went online and found some Gorean site like the Old Silk & Steel, Gorean Public Boards and World of Gor and began reading there. I also started to post on the old WOG forum, but after some time started to lack knowledge and background and long with understanding in and of various matters and decided to start from the beginning. I ordered the first 15 books from Pantheus and then started to read my way through them while tracking down new used books in the series on first amazon.com and later abebooks.com. All in all I spent the next 2½ years reading, questioning and thinking and back again before I ventured online by IRC to talk with like minded Goreans.

I found some and from there I evolved and learned.

Many of the things found in both the philosophy and the ethos I already had as a basis in and of my life back then. What I was missing however was a connection between them and collected "key understanding" of them. That is what I got by and from reading the books.

I didn't just accept or see myself as a Gorean from day one when I read them, instead I honestly and deeply questioned myself, my thoughts, beliefs and understandings and did so for a long time before I came to the conclusion that I reached. That I was Gorean and that was how things were, and went from there to live as one. I screwed up, learn from my mistake/s, went back, thought and moved on in another direction.

So, it was much more a matter of "aha! now THAT'S interesting!" and of getting a denominator what I already had than of anything else that lead me down this path.

My questions (both to myself as well as to other Goreans) have moved from the "whys?" and turned more in to the "hows?" over the years. Gorean philosophy and ethos never seizes to marvel and amaze me even more when picking it apart and looking at it. It's so clear, beautiful, alive, vibrate and so very very simple, and yet, so complicated and hard to talk about or explain in depth when it's from a personal point at the same time.

Some things can't be or even should be answered, I guess, but instead let them be what they are, questions to be found out.

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: What drew you - 12/1/2009 11:56:13 PM

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I like the idea of a girl being likened to a prized pet, groomed, trained, enhanced - a commodity and a reflection of the Master's prowess as a person and as an Owner.

I'm not 100% Gorean....wouldn't even really say 50%, but there's definite aspects of the philosophy that I base my dominance on.

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RE: What drew you - 12/2/2009 1:42:46 AM

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What Drew me to Gor ?

looking back from when i first arrived on Gor in 1997 and to today 2009 .

At first it was a friend who left a BDSM chatroom. to chase down a kajira, what ever that was so i went to B com from Dalnet. where i looked for my friend. when i first came to Gor i opened a room called #Bear`sDen because my nick was BearDog. i visited many gorean rooms and found one called Gor_Slavers_in where i met a man named Van`Gelis and watched how he handled the slaves.

so in my immaturity i immediately set out to capture slaves and mostly by force imposing my will on the slave flesh. and wrapping steel about their necks. needless to say i was booted from that home and i opened the #BloodroseTavern where i continued to grow in understanding of the ways of Gor on a non educated level. within 2 months of comming to Gor i had chosen the name Wulfstan as my Gorean name and kept BearDog as my last name.

then one day in all honesty a slave girl mentioned that she had a copy of the books in word format and sent them to me that is where i began with the first book reading. i have read up to the 10th book. and that is where i decided to stop reading.

in comming to Gor i have learned much of my self which only felt natural to me before i came to Gor but did not clearly understand my role in the world we live in today. in which i am fully responcible for my own attitueds and actions. and to those that i effect on some way around me . i can say fully knowing it is true I AM OF THE WARRIORS. im not a damned scribe nor do i care to be one

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RE: What drew you - 12/2/2009 4:43:48 PM

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My first encounter with the world of Gor was in either 1976 or '77 (long time ago

) when, as a young man of 15 or so, I picked up a most interesting book entitled 'Tarnsman of Gor', It spoke to a deep part of my soul like nothing else had, and even at that young age I was a voracious consumer of books - fiction and non fiction. It was my first real indication that it was possible for one such as I, a young male of mixed ancestry growing up in the urban sprawl of the inner city, to understand what it was to be truly male..... and that it was okay to actually be male and not some androgynous, grey...thing as society seemed to be wanting us all to turn into.

Following the first read, I set about acquiring the rest of the series that had been published up till that point - and I kept at it until Magicians, where I figured John Norman had decided that he was done. Now I see that the old Scribe is back in the saddle, which pleases me to no end

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I have lived according to the Codes that were inspired by those books - those philosophies, for a lot of years, and while I realize I am in fact on Earth and not (sadly) on Gor, I have adapted as well as one might be expected, to life here amongst the PC driven Sheeple.

I see John Norman's work on the level of a philosophy as well as being some damn fine entertainment. It has had a substantial influence on me and my worldview, as i am sure it has on most of you here.

I wish you well

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