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Musicmystery -> RE: perambulations (12/2/2009 12:05:01 PM)
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Just once, I would like to see a thread about the philosophy, that doesn't reference how the slaves fit into it....where the slaves got zero ink.
Cause, it really ain't about the slaves.
It's about being in charge of our own lives... regardless of how well we manage that responsibility.
Tal Unbuilder,
I can understand the frustration. In particular, I tire of the endless (and to me, pointless) debates (among mainly the girls--but when a few men want to jump in, it's their right) about who and what is and isn't a slave or a free woman. [I can just imagine my dog wondering if she's really a Gorean dog, or if she runs around the neighborhood she's truly free, or is she truly free at home in her collar, or is she still free if she gets picked up by the dogcatcher and then sprung, or if something happens to me and she becomes owned by a non-Gorean...when the only important point is that she's a dog and acts like one, especially as one who recognizes me as the leader of her pack--whether I'm her master or the de facto alpha dog doesn't really matter.] I don't have to read them, though, and I do find it interesting to watch Free women and slaves acting and interacting often exactly as Norman describes, all with seemingly no recognition they are doing so. At his best, Norman can be an astute observer of human nature.
But Ron and Animus are correct. Slavery is a well-established and ancient institution on Gor, and command of women (in the broadest sense, including practical knowledge) is part of man's nature. Even on earth, and even if they consciously deny it, many vanilla women are unquestionably drawn to strong, confident men--simply because they are strong and confident. And men like it when women are attracted to them. Far beyond mere convention [e.g., women belong at the feet of men--Beast of Gor (where men are included, along with wild creatures and Kur, among the beasts)], Norman states bluntly [in Marauders definitely, and a few others I think], "A strong man need a woman." Not wants--needs. It's our nature. And I admit it--I like to take women. Sure, at times I'm tired and busy and it's not a priority, but before long, I'm back taking a girl.
I don't think slavery and philosophy are at odds. In large part, and frequently, Norman reacts to feminist stances and attitudes. Have you ever read feminist philosophy? Even when they have decent points, the logic to construct them makes a mockery of thought. I think he actually goes too far at times in his zeal, but essentially, he's correct--these are positions that deserve mockery. More responsibly, his proposal and presentation of our place in the order of nature, including as genders, is a compelling case, at least among those identifying as Gorean.
Yes, absolutely, Gorean philosophy goes far beyond the slavery to many other aspects of our place in the order of nature, including as societies and as species. But as Ron observed, when we have those threads, they get little or no discussion. In part, that's because a lot of the men have left. But for those interested, here are some recent philosophy threads to pursue:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2905775/tm.htm
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2874031/tm.htm
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2791253/tm.htm
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2775517/tm.htm
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2663918/tm.htm
There are more.
Live well,
Tim
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