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could this happen to Y/you? - 3/16/2004 8:29:31 PM   
1angel


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i have been a slave for twenty years now. my training has been by Those that have owned me as well as having been trained to dance the dance of a slave. i have had real time Master's as well as cyber Master's. Both real time and cyber taught me things about myself and allowed me to bring something new to each Master i served. i met a Master online, when at the time i was not interested in being owned or serving. He didnt mind, W/we could be friends. i was careful, didn't give out to much information,took things on my terms. He allowed me to come along at my own pace, little did i know He was waiting and setting me up. Little by little the time W/we spent talking turned in hours and before i knew it a year passed. Photo's were exchanged,more time spent talking and digging into E/each O/other's soul. One day He spoke the words i wanted to hear, He loved me. i knew that i had fallen in love with this Man, who at this point in time seemed to know me inside and out. Another year passed. He began asking for money, not a lot at first, small amounts. He had this business, it was going under, could i help? Would i help? He said things like, "Well, I guess once the place close's down, W/we wont be able to speak anymore. I will no longer have a phone." Tell any slave they cant speak to their Master and watch what happens to them. Yes, it was two years and now i considered Him my Master, He said that i was His only slave. He promised. He said He didn't need any others, i was enough. He promised that in time, He would bring me to Him and W/we would live together, Master/slave 24/7. i had no reason to doubt Him. More time passed and now each week He is asking for money, the rent needs to be paid, the phone needs to be paid. Each request was always followed with the threat of Him disappearing, i would lose all contact with Him. i trusted Him. Finally it happened! He called and told me He was moving to where i was living. W/we would be together. When He arrived, He was broke but that didn't matter, i loved Him and W/we were together. i must say that a period of three and a half years had passed. Three and a half years to get to know E/each O/other, so i thought. After He had been here with me, He asked me to marry him, i said yes. He did'nt have a job, He needed money, i took all that i had and gave it to Him. When the money was gone, i began pawning jewelry and other items. He wasn't what He claimed to be as a Master went, but that was ok, He then told me some things that had i known, i never would have given Him the money to come here. {yes, i even sent money to move Him here} He told me He had been in prison for crimes, that for my own safety, i will not go into. He became cruel, He took me to a public place and raped me. Not "play rape" or what a Master and slave consent to, this was real,ugly and intented to be what it was, brutal. He beat me when He was done and left me to find my way home. He threatened my life if i left Him. i told no one. Who would tell? The police, my friends who dont understand this lifestyle? i wanted to leave Him,but was afraid for my life. When day while He was at work, i broke into His computer, i spent over two hours digging around and when i was done, i found that He had women all over the states. The way He told me He loved me, i was reading the very same words to two other women. He told them the same bull He told me, stories He had told me,but not telling me ALL, because He been lying for so long to so many. i left that day and went into hiding for a while. i have spent the last two years picking up the pieces and putting my life back together. Things that i should have asked, i didnt. red flags that flew up that i ignored. my friends who simply didnt like Him when they first met Him, but didnt know why. All the i should have's, all the why didn't i's. i should have listened to my gut and i didnt.
i have left parts of this story out, that is for my safety, but Y/you can see the picture. Ask Y/yourself. Could this happen to Y/you? As i said in one of my posts. Ask! Question! Trust Y/your gut!! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck,guess what..its a duck! If T/they get offened, Oh well, in time T/they will get over it and hopefuly respect Y/you for being careful.

Thank You~~ for giving me the space and the time to tell my story.
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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 3/16/2004 10:31:19 PM   
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WOW 1angel that's a very scary story, and yes it could happen to anyone and i am sure it does happen more than we would like to believe.

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 3/17/2004 1:54:54 AM   
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Not only are people vulnerable to similar scenarios online, but in real life as well. On any day, at any time a con artist, swindler, panhandler, snake oil salesman, penis enlargement pill salesman, predator, etc will look for easy prey.

It is up to the prey to 'not be prey'... the con won't give you the choice, and will always be one or two steps ahead of you. Sometimes it takes time to absorb and react to red flags, but you seem to indicate he was effectively side-stepping your concerns, and kept stringing you along.

In part, you must accept blame for allowing him to control you despite initial and subsequent red flags, but hindsight is always 20/20. By you accepting your part of the blame, it will hopefully bolster the chances of never repeating such a scenario again... or even another of lesser degree of misuse/abuse of any sort.

Fool 1angel once, shame on HIM... fool 1angel twice, shame on HER!

I feel deeply for you in this negative experience, and hope that your story posted here will help others who may be seeing initial red flags, and take appropriate heed. It may sound funny, but your suffering may in fact benefit others in similar scenarios, and prevent them from suffering as you obviously have done so. Actually victimized is a more applicable term.

I might add, even as a BDSM lifestyler, you have every right afforded to any citizen of the USA, just as the vanilla citizens do... no difference. If you were raped, it was a crime and should have been reported. Failure to do so would have simply acted as fuel for his fire... immune from punishment for his criminal actions. I don't know what the statute of limitations is for rape, but I recommend you do some subtle checking and see what your rights are concerning being a rape victim. If this wannabe Dom has gotten away with crimes against you, what will prevent him from violating another victim? If that were to happen, would you feel that you could have prevented a re-occurance?

Of course only you know all the details of your bad experience, and you may have perfectly valid reasons for your particular stance and position, and feel my advice is not the lessor of two evils. I understand and respect that, but only wished to point out just because you are a consensual BDSM participant, you have NOT forfeited your rights regarding rape and assault, or any other crimes.

Thank you for sharing this negative experience.

peace and wellness,

Inyouagain

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 3/18/2004 2:56:57 PM   
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Angel,
I'm sorry you got sucked into his little game. At least you have learned a valuable lesson. You can also teach others what you've learned. Maybe help some people out.

I agree with inyouagain. I'm not an attorney. Not aware of the statute of limitations on such cases. Although I know you have the right to press charges. It’s more less the same as date rape. It may stop him from victimizing another woman. Let him go to prison and get raped himself.
Aside from conning you out of all of that money. One would think that is also a prosecutable offense as well.

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 3/19/2004 10:52:58 AM   
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quote:

Could this happen to Y/you? As i said in one of my posts. Ask! Question! Trust Y/your gut!! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck,guess what..its a duck! If T/they get offened, Oh well, in time T/they will get over it and hopefuly respect Y/you for being careful.


This is a sad story, and probably all to common. I do want to say one thing without disrespecting angel or what happened to her.

The individual is ultimately the only person who can truly protect himself or herself. No matter how strong the Master/slave bond, EVERYONE should always keep in the back of their minds that they are responsible for themselves. Have a back up plan. Don't get involved in a relationship that you are the sole giver. These seem easy responses, and when you are invovled with someone for a long period of time, you don't think about them as readily. However, people DO CHANGE. Be prepared and take care of you first and foremost. When you are strong, you can be supportive to others and be a better Dominant or submissive.




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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 3/23/2004 8:53:27 AM   
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Wow, this post definitely resonates with me. I've been talking to a woman who promises me nothing more than the fact that if she likes me when we meet, she will take me as her slave for life. She seems very serious about this - claims to have done it before. My warning bells are ringing, even though I enjoy talking to her very much, and I've seen her pictures, and I think I have her real identitiy.

Jim

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 3/23/2004 9:13:35 AM   
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1angel:

thank you for sharing your story; although frightening as hell, it should serve as a valuable lesson.

Jim: interestingly i'm having a similar experience. i recently met a man who, after only 3 phone conversations, some online chatting, and never met in person, has stated that he thinks i'm perfect, and would like to marry me.

While it's flattering to be desired, it freaks me out that he's this intense, this soon. It's difficult for me to tell if the marriage & children thing is just a fantasy or not. And, like you, Jim, i don't want to completley disqualify him b/c i do enjoy talking to him. And we did agree to wait a day before speaking again.

i'm thankful to these message boards for all of the helpful information and advice. Nice to have a community of people who are (in general) looking out for one another.

Stay safe,

~rain~

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 3/23/2004 3:03:43 PM   
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Slow down, dude! It is a common male submissive/ slave trait to let women treat you like dirt because the odds are so bad you feel you must seetle. If you have not made that decision do not assume she has the right. (Oh just curious, we are not talking about MzMeanIe are we?)

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 3/24/2004 10:10:52 AM   
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quote:

(Oh just curious, we are not talking about MzMeanIe are we?)


Nope.

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 4/7/2004 11:38:55 AM   
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just wanted to comment on this topic also. i repeat also what O/others have said in their responding, just because one embraces the lifestyle does not mean that they have to accept being raped non-consentually, abused, and overall made to feel like a worthless person. bdsm has nothing to do with abuse, always remember that. if One crosses the line, or if your inner warning signals go off, get out, get help and if abused or raped GO TO THE POLICE. it is a crime, and should not be tolerated. just because a prostitute sells themselves do you not think that if someone rapes them that they should go to the police, of course, why should we be any different. as long as we (in the lifestyle) have this fear about police and being outed Ones that choose to be a predator on us will be free to continue this. we must do anything we have to do to get these predators away from our sisters and brothers in the lifestyle and removed from society in general. we have rights just as any other human being does. dont ever forget this. please. it could mean your life one day.

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 4/7/2004 1:52:24 PM   
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Dear god.

Oh brave new world...

Andrew
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A man said to the universe:
"Sir I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 4/7/2004 2:04:43 PM   
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extortion comes to mind yes yeah that's it extortionbut then the law governs that, right>>>

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 4/7/2004 2:37:41 PM   
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Is it Liza Minelli?

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 4/10/2004 10:01:05 AM   
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This one has met users like yours also and a few year agos on alt met one who was even worse as she learned he was a petifile seeking children as this one is sub he thought she would allow him access to hers and others for his pleasure. He is now spending time behind bars in Canada ! and this one will not fail in her duty to report and catch anyone possing as D/s who would use or hurt children in anyway. Sorry to be on a soap box but this one feels strongly on this.

One must screen those you meet in real and on line really try to get to know them if something they say or do rings untrue stay clear of them.. One should never give money to one you don't honestly trust and respect. There are to many users in this world so seek a true hearted one. Sincerly wolfsong

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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 4/25/2004 3:28:38 PM   
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wolfsong, I am not actually responding to you, although I always love reading your posts...it is rather like reading music, and always pleasant . I am responding to the original post, but didn't want to scroll back up to the top.

This is a post that should never be deleted. One could go in several different directions from, or with this, but the bottom line is, pay attention in all communications, whether online, or in r/l, when communicating with someone toward any goal involving your life.

We learn little lessons in life. ie Don't loan anything you can't afford to give away. That has always been one of my favorites. I have always been a very generous person, and when asked if I could "loan", if I had it, I would. Further, I have never gone back and "called in" a loan. Because in my mind I had actually "givin" it away.

If I had talked to someone online (and perhaps on the phone) for two years and hadn't actually met them in person, I don't believe that I'd be sending them money. By that time I would have accumulated enough personal information about them to have them checked out, or to have checked them out myself.

There were caution lights within the first twenty lines of this story. Wow! I am concerned for this woman. I am wondering if she is protecting herself? or, if she is protecting the possibility of a potential reconciliation with this male? Women will swear, "No way" and the next thing you see is her picture in the paper where the guy has killed her and the story reads something along the lines of.....she met him at their apartment to "talk things over". It takes a long time to truly heal following a dysfunctional emotional/physical relationship. A BDSM relationship adds some intensity to that.

Who is this guy? Where is he now? Is he here on collarme? But then he wouldn't last long around here. These gals would be picking their teeth with what was formerly known as...his attitude.

All kidding aside, this is something to keep in mind, as a warning to others. On the real side.


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RE: could this happen to Y/you? - 5/4/2004 7:35:47 PM   
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In continuance about filing charges against that ( cant even think of an expletive strong enough) that raped you - what I am about to suggest may seem at first glance to be an attempt at humour, but I am in deadly seriousness about this - and not only in this case but in all rape cases - although the statue of limitations for what I am about to suggest may well have run out as well - to wit:

Don't charge him with rape - charge him with indecent exposure instead

Now wait, again I am serious, and for a number of reasons;
1. It is much easier to get a conviction for indecent exposure than rape
2. The defense is NOT allowed to ask anything about the victims past sexual history or how she was dressed that evening - cutting potential embarrassment/public humilation/defamation of character to you
3. In most states, the penalty for indecent exposure is at least as harsh as that for rape, if not harsher ( he goes to jail for longer)
4. In prison society, the only ones lower on the totem pole than weenie waggers are the shorteyes (child molesters), whereas rapists are somewhat of celebrities, ranking up there with the multiple murderers, so he does harder time
5. As a somewhat fitting codicil to the last point, he is also more likely to be raped while in prison as a weenie wagger than a rapist, thus incorporating a somewhat biblical eye for an eye ending


I would like to take this opportunity to extend to you, on my behalf and for most of the male and Dom population, my sincerest apologies for what that (still cant think of an expletive strong enough) did to you, mentally, physically, emotionally, and financially

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