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wetcat216 -> Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/8/2009 11:11:56 AM)

How does one know if they are a Gor slave vs a BDSM slave? I have been introduced to a few concepts of Gor and they have struck a cord with me. I just want to know how I can grow and learn more about it, and at what point do i know if Gor is right for me.



mnottertail -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/8/2009 11:26:49 AM)

Hard one to pencil out, some random thoughts about this though..........

Are you bent on pleasing rather than bratty?
When I come home is it a happy home with cooking and maybe some wine in the kitchen?
When a man speaks are you ready to obey in any way?
Are you mindful? That is, do you consider and are you aware of what is pleasing and needful to a man?
Do you consider your actions, thoughts and speech in light of that?
Do you like pain? (this is a back and forth one)?

Do you see punishment as some grand and analytical learning experience?

Do you read, ponder and meditate about the world around you and your place in it?



Would you rather say......I can take a hell of a beating? or Master cannot even remember the last time he had to beat me?


That is a few surface things, there is probably a little more trappings and ancillary lore in being a BDSM slave, I suppose.

It is in your heart and in your soul whether you are Gorean or BDSM, I guess.

Ron



subtee -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/8/2009 11:50:18 AM)

Ron,

I thought it was a question of citizenship--vettable, original birth certificate?

I can see Gor from my house!

~wink~



Musicmystery -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/8/2009 12:01:44 PM)

BDSM vs. Gor threads
For the girl seeking a Gorean Master



breatheasone -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/8/2009 12:03:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: wetcat216

How does one know if they are a Gor slave vs a BDSM slave? I have been introduced to a few concepts of Gor and they have struck a cord with me. I just want to know how I can grow and learn more about it, and at what point do i know if Gor is right for me.

i personally would read some of the books, to start. Perhaps someone would be able to suggest one that would be good to start with.(unless of course starting with book 1 is best) i would also suggest going to a "munch"(munch is a get together at a restaurant or something, very "vanilla" and just a meet and greet really) in your area, to meet, and talk to some local folks. Asking like you are is good, but what you get on the net isn't necessarily right or true so be careful.



MAWarGod -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/8/2009 1:44:07 PM)

I have to agree with breatheasone reading the books would be the best place to start...



Maahsatti -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/8/2009 5:13:33 PM)

Greetings girl,

  I would agree. Read the books, only ,I recommend reading them in order and reading the whole series.

If you do not have any of the books..E-Trade I think it is called I hear is a good place to find and buy them. Till then, this message board has tons of threads devoted to teaching and helping those interested in learning...the FAQ's thread here is the best one IMO.

serve and be well,
Mistress Maahsatti



Malkinius -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/9/2009 12:18:43 AM)

Greetings wetcat....

quote:

ORIGINAL: wetcat216

How does one know if they are a Gor slave vs a BDSM slave? I have been introduced to a few concepts of Gor and they have struck a cord with me. I just want to know how I can grow and learn more about it, and at what point do i know if Gor is right for me.
quote:

wetcat216


Technically you are only a Gorean slave if you are owned by a Gorean. Reading the books is pretty much required and reading the FAQ thread here will help in the short run. Otherwise, you have to talk to Goreans who practice slavery and get input and help from them. You will know when being a Gorean's slave is right for you when you find a Gorean you wish to submit to.

I notice from your profile that you are in the Chicago area. There is an offline ChicagoGor group that meets monthly and you would be welcome to attend one of our meal meetings. That will give you an opportunity to talk to people who live as Goreans...and their slaves.

Be well....

Malkinius



breatheasone -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/9/2009 7:44:10 AM)

i would just add:
i have to assume that chicago has BDSM get togethers as well. (called a munch) i would go to a few of BOTH so you can discern which fits you better.



barelynangel -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/9/2009 8:11:20 AM)

Okay, slaves are simply slaves.  Therefore, the only real difference between a Gorean slave and a BDSM slave has to do with the Man who owns them.   The nature of the label has to do with the Men involved due to the fact that they choose their belief system, philosophical system etc and for a Gorean Man, that whole concept leads to an identification of them being Gorean.  Therefore, how they hold a woman in slavery and the mastery involved all comes from him and his being Gorean, that transcends yes almost like osmosis but more due to the environment and atmosphere as well as his chosen expectations and standards he holds his slave within.  In otherwords his identification as being Gorean effects and influences how he chooses to hold a woman in slavery.

To me, the concept of BDSM slave simply means many, multiple, and full of vary different facits, belief systems, expectations and such that effect and influence the slavery due to the Man who is the Master -- just like Gorean influences the slavery of a woman whose Master is a self-identified Gorean man.

If you want to learn about Gorean, and you want to be a slave of a Gorean Man or figure out what that means, learn about the Men -- don't try and teach yourself the slavery.   The slavery isn't Gorean in and of itself -- the Man is what makes the slavery Gorean.   Trying to learn it on your own will only give you the surface concept, however, the slavery of a Gorean's Man's slave is a concept within which she learns to the core due to how she is held.   Sure you can learn what positions and protocols favored by Goreans, but that won't teach you about the slavery -- the slavery of a woman held by a Gorean Man is about her life as a slave to a Gorean Man, not about her actions.  If you want to know about it -- look to the Gorean Men.

angel



Musicmystery -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/9/2009 8:21:04 AM)

My poor dog....

First she was wondering whether she was really an owned dog or a free dog living with me.

Now she's not sure whether she's a Gorean dog, or really just a dog living with a Gorean.

Fortunately, she stops thinking about that every time something simply doglike comes along.

Point? One of Norman's key things is cultural overthinking getting in the way of our natures.

It's an easy trap to fall into. Dogs are better at escaping back to reality.

Live well.

Tim



FyreWolfe -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/9/2009 8:29:04 AM)

Being a Gorean Master and the Owner of 2 kajira and 8 home slaves, there is a huge diffrence between BDSM and Gor,

1st Gor it is best if you do read the books, however most still interprite the books diffrently and still make up thier own rules and say its in the books just to fit thier own sexual hng desire, for most it is a part of life, for me personally being Gor is part of my life, i dont think i could eer find my way back to the world of BDSM and be happpy.

2nd Gor isnt all about being used for sex, yes Gor has a bad rep for this a MAster comes in furs a slave then leaves, or makes her collar jump, Gor is about Honor and respect.

3rd Gor is about finding that little spart of a fire that burns deep in your belly, and yearn for it and turn that little spart onto a raging inferno, it isnt all about serves as most homes do, for some me included it is a way of life


FyreWolfe (Owner of the {CoA} Cove steel)



barelynangel -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/9/2009 9:26:43 AM)

Umm okay maybe i am missing something or maybe this is a online chatroom thing but what is the difference between the two slaves you own and the 8 i presume you own -- that two you call kajira and the others you don't.   Kajira simply means a female slave.   i am confused with how you identify your role and theirs. 

I presume when you say own you mean offline and you all have met and live together so all in all you have 10 slaves living in your offline home since you call 8 of them home slaves?

Just looking for clarification because your tag to your name is making me think this all takes place in a chatroom, which is not what this forum is about.  If it takes place offline, then i've learned something new today as i never met a Gorean Man who actually had more than 3 slaves offline at one time who are interactive in his daily life  offline.

angel



MAWarGod -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/9/2009 1:06:13 PM)

Now could be off track here with this but bdsm is about sexual choices and the proscription of pain.

Gor on the other hand is more structured more defined is not just about sexuality.. it more about the natural order of things as some have said above.. To Me Gor is about mindset and how I apply or cohere to the nature of the ideals or philosophies set forth within the books and also through out our own history.. taking but the first thing I can think of is the 3 pillars are simple and the conception should not be so alienated by modern society as a large, as it is…



breatheasone -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/9/2009 1:46:03 PM)

MAWarGOD, "BDSM" M/s dynamic is not much different from what i have heard on this Gor forum as far as basic structure. (just my opinion) Master and i feel We closely follow the natural order of how it should be between a Man and a woman. We also have a "No mistake about who is Master" way about Us. Our sex life is an area We also enjoy, and the M/s dynamic is alive and well there too. However Our sex life does not in ANY way define Our "Whole" life as Master and slave. Hope your week is going well Sir.
*Edited typo



Camerius -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/9/2009 2:29:40 PM)

quote:

1st Gor it is best if you do read the books, however most still interprite the books diffrently and still make up thier own rules and say its in the books just to fit thier own sexual hng desire, for most it is a part of life, for me personally being Gor is part of my life, i dont think i could eer find my way back to the world of BDSM and be happpy.


There might be different views and thoughts about how to live and think Gorean, which isn't that strange since we're different people with different backgrounds, cultures and life experiences. But we DO have a pretty clear consensus about what IS and namely what ISN'T Gorean in relation to so many other things. Some makes their own rules and falls outside the consensus while others bases their own personal codes on what is found in the books and goes for there within the consensus.

quote:

2nd Gor isnt all about being used for sex, yes Gor has a bad rep for this a MAster comes in furs a slave then leaves, or makes her collar jump, Gor is about Honor and respect.


No, Gor, or Gorean philosophy ISN'T about honor and respect. Not at all. Many seems to think so (mostly coming from a place where this is a common and accepted understanding in online roleplaying circles or from people not having read the books and found out what's inside), but that's a wrong approach to take. It's surely fine to aspire to have and hold honor, but it's in no way a given nor is it a needed requirement to be, think or live AS a Gorean at all. Respect is earned, continually. Honor is something very personal, a measuring stick of a sorts.

quote:

3rd Gor is about finding that little spart of a fire that burns deep in your belly, and yearn for it and turn that little spart onto a raging inferno, it isnt all about serves as most homes do, for some me included it is a way of life.


Then Gor is only for the slaves, if we follow that line. Gorean philosophy (as that is what I think you are referring to here) is about accepting that were two different sexes, we're not the same and are not meant to. Just like every man and woman aren't the same between themselves. One isn't better than the other, we're just different and meant to compliment each others instead being at "war". It 's too about being, wholesomely and fully whom and what you are, be that as man or woman, free or slave, in finding the place in the big picture where you, as such, finds it to be most fulfilling and and with most purpose. This also means within a social context as well as a species.

There is a lot more than what I have very, very briefly touch upon here but I'll let you go find the rest for yourself.


I wish you well,

Camerius









Malkinius -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/10/2009 12:03:22 AM)

Greetings angel....

After looking at his profile he kind of looks proto-Kaotian to me.

Be well....

Malkinius



MAWarGod -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/10/2009 12:53:17 AM)

Tal Malkinius,

Malkinius I went and look at His profile He maybe a follow of Lee Thompson and the Kaotain people but till He say He is I will have not assume that He is.. But I would very much be open to a debate with one of that faction or group.. I do see He claims to be Gorean and has a home here on cm.. and Lee Thompson and His group now claim not to be Goreans they claim to be better than Goreans.... what ever that means...

greetings angel, I “assume” He is saying that 2 of the slaves are His as in His collar and owned by Him and the others (8) are of home steel and are being trained to be worthy of a personal collar.. is the way it sorta reads but it wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong!!
or misunderstood..



MAWarGod -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/10/2009 1:01:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

MAWarGOD, "BDSM" M/s dynamic is not much different from what i have heard on this Gor forum as far as basic structure. (just my opinion) Master and i feel We closely follow the natural order of how it should be between a Man and a woman. We also have a "No mistake about who is Master" way about Us. Our sex life is an area We also enjoy, and the M/s dynamic is alive and well there too. However Our sex life does not in ANY way define Our "Whole" life as Master and slave. Hope your week is going well Sir.
*Edited typo



I will not debate and I totally respect that of what you have said of the M/s of BDSM as in also what I would call “Old Guard”… But there are the D/s and other factions of bdsm that are no where near the Gorean mindset..



barelynangel -> RE: Gor vs Traditional BDSM (12/10/2009 4:08:23 AM)

Thanks Malkinius and MAWarGod, i didn't even look at his profile lol duh. So the answer is yes, he is speaking of roleplaying online in chatrooms. I wonder if he realizes that this forum is not about online roleplaying or online chatrooms but instead is about living Gorean offline.

angel



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