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RE: slave rights??? - 3/29/2006 5:32:17 AM   
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Spanking your child to discipline them isn't illegal either. How many people have been met by Division of Family Services because someone turned them in for child abuse?

Legality wasn't the point really. It is how things are viewed in this country.

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/29/2006 5:54:52 AM   
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sunshine..passages of slavery are written throughout the bible. Who is or was to dictate back then what they used the slaves for? The point is there were slaves, and it was fully acceptable. The most prominent of these slaves were those caught as spoils of war. Would it be to far fetched to assume that children were not a portion of those spoils? A slave is a slave. There were laws dictating the Treatment of slaves (all beit not the best of laws) but not as to what work they were put to do. Slavery may have not been the preferred way of God to handle people but none the less it was allowed, and they were indeed viewed as "property" of their Owners.

It was only some time after the Great Flood that the life span of Man started to drastically deminish. Adam was stated to have lived 930yrs..Noah lived 950yrs..Methuselah lived 969yrs.

I believe the listing of decendants and their lives spans is in Genesis if you care to look.

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and just a side note: I'm not a avid reader of the bible or very religious but these points happen to be area's that Master and girl looked up not to long ago and were amazed at the longevity and accounts of slavery as well.


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RE: slave rights??? - 3/29/2006 7:10:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshine333

Master Iron Bear,
thank you for your explanation. your view makes much more sense to me now. i can accept the idea of saving a child from a childhood worse than slavery and offering her training and choices. i think that's what you're saying. if so, then i think the ideal you're talking about is fair and gives children opportunities they wouldn't otherwise have.


Exactly. Thank you sweet you have the rights of my comments.
 
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the picture i had in my mind before your last post was of taking, let's say, a 5 year old from her happy, western, civilized home and raising her to be a pleasure (sex) slave ... not giving her choices ... not allowing her a natural development in other areas of her life. so ... big difference with the horrible images in my head and the explanation of your ideal. thank you again. i'll sleep better now. ... grins ..


Glad of that lass and glad that we are understanding each other.
 

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as a sidenote ... my belief is that jesus did walk the earth and was, in fact, one of many great teachers. i think the bible is a wonderful book filled with many great teaching tales, but i don't believe that they're all true. i may not be as familiar as you are with the bible. my understanding was that the average lifespan in biblical days was about 30. but wow ... if people really lived to 800 then i guess that changes the length of their childhood too! would you mind telling me where i can find that information in the bible? also, would you tell me where, in the bible, god said it was ok to raise children into pleasure slaves (or even something similar)?
 
thanks in advance.
 
humbly,
sunshine


Many Pagans believe thus hun, I have a number of bibles including the Book of Mormon as well as such tomes as the Egyptian Book of The Dead, the Tibetan Book of The Dead..and an English translation of the Koran as well as English translations of the Hebrew Old Testament amomng other works. There is a greatdeal ifinspiration to be learned there as there is in the stories of Native Peoples.. We all have a tiny piece of the ultimate and divine truth ... Just a tiny fragment...

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/29/2006 12:42:12 PM   
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Well now I know for sure I am blurry from lack of sleep.  I saw that and thought, why would anyone have an addiction to having sex with smelly homeless men?  LOL.  sorry I have lost my mind this morning.  Your right about maturity in some ways.  I am 40 and as mature as a 12 year old, I watch cartoons, laugh at farts, and generally as Ron puts it, acts like a Goof most of the time.  As for the whole sex with anyone under 19?  I am not touching that with a bamboo cane!

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/29/2006 3:25:37 PM   
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greeting to all


This is meant not to make other mad or to have anyone be insulted but i think of the slaves of Gorean almost as the slaves of the deep south! They are punished for things they do wrong. No begging or pleading will make the master stop his punishment. They owned and treat as the master see fit. There is a very close realtionship to the slaves of the south and the slave of gor.The slaves of the south were use for sexual pleasure for the master. They were often traded to other households for the use of master there! They had many slaves in each place. they had cooks and laundry slaves houshold slaves. Slaves to watch the babies and childern. My favor subject is hisotry and that means all type of histroy! I went to the library and i bought home so many books many on art other on slavery, oh yes i order the series of Gor books by John Norman too!
But having read many books on slavery I have come to see a very close realtionship with the slavery of the south. They had good master as well as very harsh ones. The other thing is no marriages for some. The men of the south held honor in very high standards so do the Gorean's. Harsh punish was given to slaves who disobey no one or thing could stop the master's from beating the slave in question, no one!

The slaves were held in good standing they were valuable to the master>. But unlike the south the Gorean master keeps a slave who is injure! Slaves are not sold off just to do it for money. You proect your slave against someone misusing them! the goreans let your slave learn. I see many things that are very different but i see one thing that stands out in both groups you own your slaves they have not rights as did the slaves of the south

with so much thought please no one get mad at me it is an opinion

wish all well mons/jane


I can't imagine why that would offend or upset anyone here. They are also like Roman slaves, or Egyptian slaves, or Greek slaves..and on and on.  There are similiarities because slaves are slaves. Property to be used by the people who hold them in slavery. Sometimes slaves, including gorean girls are sold off, I'd bet dollars to donuts sometimes it is for money. That is why men own slaves, because they have a use for them. If they didn't, most of those who do probably wouldn't. It is a cost/benefit thing with slaves..Is keeping one or two or ten worth the cost? Does a man have a need for none, one, two or ten? It is very simple and has been going on for thousands of years and will continue to go on long after our fossilized remains are dug up and put in a museum.

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/29/2006 7:20:36 PM   
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I have no ideal why you thought i was whining? When i wrote the reply to this post, i did not have all of the facts I asked a question! I ttalk to someone from your group and they gave me a very good answer! That was given to me in a manner that was respectful and wise. I had let it drop since the person who answer It was a man and a Master. Now iI thought dear there was no baiting, or bashing allowed here? Or am i wrong? There is not need to scream at me! When someone use caps they are screaming. Also for 14 years I have worked at elemarty school, and dina I have step up more then you would ever to this plate, you have no ideal what it is or takes to report abuse it is not just calling the police it takes so much more then that! It take guts to know what the hell you talking about you do not jump into and just say anything that come to you mind? We all learn to think before we speak I see you have not learn this or you would have never written a letter to me that was so vicious and mean. Did I say something to make you feel threaten by somethiing? No i never did i remember what i write i have always been very respectful to all here do not ever write me a letter like that again it was uncall for! Take you angry and you do have some in you to who it belongs too. I find many people well take out their angry on someone, you choose me. I hope this does not make you a person who carries angry within her? I will forget you wote me that letter. I will move on pass what you wrote I wish you well and happniess

mons /Jane

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/29/2006 7:42:35 PM   
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Tal, IronBear...

***grin***... and yup... the right to be done is the only right the girl has at this point...

dang... You sound like Me...

I wish You well,

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/30/2006 4:12:10 AM   
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mons/jane

I am not sure why you think I was angry.  I was not.  You directed your post to me and I answered.  Now again you are directing your post to me.  I do not know what you want of me.  I will always be honest.  That is who I am.  If you ask me something I will be tell you how I feel.  You seem up set with me.  I hate drama.  I mean no harm and have no hostitlity toward you in anyway.  You are so far from my mind that I have no idea most of the time what you are talking about and truly to the depths of my soul could live in peace for the rest of my life not knowing.  Mabe you have mixed me up with someone else.  Mabe you didn't.  I truly do not care.  I have no feelings one way or the other about you.  I hope you find all the happiness you truly deserve. *smiles*

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/30/2006 6:04:06 AM   
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Since you guys get a lot out of the gorean books, you should really try reading the Kushiel books, beginning with Kushiel's Dart, by Jacqueline Carey.

http://www.tor.com/womeninfantasy/carey/dart.html

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/30/2006 6:16:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: unownedredhead

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yedi
Hobophile

 
Well now I know for sure I am blurry from lack of sleep.  I saw that and thought, why would anyone have an addiction to having sex with smelly homeless men?  LOL.  sorry I have lost my mind this morning.  Your right about maturity in some ways.  I am 40 and as mature as a 12 year old, I watch cartoons, laugh at farts, and generally as Ron puts it, acts like a Goof most of the time.  As for the whole sex with anyone under 19?  I am not touching that with a bamboo cane!

dina





Hmmmmmm weeeeellll dina sweet I see your back to canes again.. If you make it here for a holiday, you'll be in heaventhen seeing we have cane fields 10 minutes away from us and a Sugar refinery too,,,,

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/30/2006 10:13:28 AM   
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[/quote]
Hmmmmmm weeeeellll dina sweet I see your back to canes again.. If you make it here for a holiday, you'll be in heaventhen seeing we have cane fields 10 minutes away from us and a Sugar refinery too,,,,
[/quote]

Master IronBear
If I had not been so sleep deprived I never .....ever....would have brought it up.  Why is is always my mouth that gets me into trouble?  *shaking head, muttering to self*

dina 

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/30/2006 12:23:29 PM   
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Dina

My name is Jane my screen name is Mons, you may use one or the other, it is up to you. I see your is name Dina i choose to use one not both of your names at the same time. Ok there is something going on and I can tell you this I do not have a pproblem with you. I never had anyone answer write me and answer me the way you. You ended your letter the first one you wrote with "standing tall" something like that? I am laughing Ino ideal where all of this angry came from? Because i treat all here with respect. What have i done to you for you to act in this manner and your acting strange i want this done and over with. No need to write me back as you said "i can live in peace and you would not either think or worry of me " then it shall be I care for you in that same manner i suggest and this is a suggestion I would not want you to think i am picking on you out of all of the people here, so let it go and this is it i will not answer your post and do not answer mine if you want to you can it does not matter! So how about it dian girl? I am a kind easy going woman and i do not like the ideal of distress and angry!!!!!! One who can not control one own self can not be control. I am very control!!!!!!!!! Dina you wrote me a letter before this one a real tasty treat it was, this is why i am writing again. Oh yes i did misquote you up there. Such silliest is for kids I know we are both too old wayy to old for this stuff so ok friends??????? No but respect is good


may peace be with you dina

mons/or jane

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/31/2006 5:51:52 AM   
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The Kushiel series was one of my favorites. And.. I admit.. I want that tattoo :)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Since you guys get a lot out of the gorean books, you should really try reading the Kushiel books, beginning with Kushiel's Dart, by Jacqueline Carey.

http://www.tor.com/womeninfantasy/carey/dart.html

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/31/2006 2:51:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
Since you guys get a lot out of the gorean books, you should really try reading the Kushiel books, beginning with Kushiel's Dart, by Jacqueline Carey.


behind the Marketplace series by Laura Antinou, i loved the Kushiel series next!! i have 3 and they are fantastic!

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RE: slave rights??? - 3/31/2006 3:44:22 PM   
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Gorean slaves........they have no rights.....that's why we call them slaves.......

Sound unreasonable in a way ?? lol..anyway.....that's Gorean.......lol.....

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RE: slave rights??? - 4/2/2006 3:29:09 AM   
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greeting to all

Does a slave lose her name forever is no one to call her by her
birth name ever again? This is important does the women have a
birthday to celebrate at all? when Dennissade said" they have no
rights at all. I thought of statement and I do many of the women are
happy. But to not have a birthday makes me sad I love the ideal
of birthday cakes and ice cream. But as gorean I am sure
you have some way to celebrate and make you women happy?
Do anyone of the the women collect dolls or dolls houses I would like to
know if the masters you let the woman write me with your
permission andi will respect you limit on what we say I just would like
to speak with someone!!!!

best wishes

mons/jane

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RE: slave rights??? - 4/2/2006 6:46:25 AM   
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jane

a slaves rights are as what Master wishes for them to be.

i do believe birthdays are allowed
as is technically , if one works, they need to 'still keep' their name to cash their paycheck,also  for educational purposes etc.

when a Master names a girl, it is special and it is how she is the known to Master and others
but we do have to be practical for this is earth so we adapt.

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RE: slave rights??? - 4/3/2006 12:21:01 AM   
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I always want to thank you you amazing
i can always get a very good answer to my
questions to you. May i ask are you owned?
if you are you Master is lucky!! I tired to write you
oh no for anything secrect or that kind of thing
but the burning is a little hotter makes me
feel yes ill. I know i lose a chance i had but thank you
so


be well and safe always your so kind and nice

mons/jane

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RE: slave rights??? - 4/3/2006 6:45:59 PM   
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greetings jane,
thank you.
i understand that unfed belly that burns,lol.
no, i am not owned at this point in time but i do have some great Masters that guide me along on my path.
i  wrote to you on the other side.
wishing you well.

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RE: slave rights??? - 4/4/2006 12:30:49 AM   
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Hello fyre,  I missed the boards so bad I made up a new profile and came back on.  Your right about the Masters here so many of them have such great advise and guidance.  From some very mundane questions and even some hated homework I have been given, they have helped me see my desires more clearly.  It is amazing how they can see inside me to places I could not see myself until they held up that candle and illuminated these places for me.  Slave rights is still the thread right?  A slave has the right to submit or not submit and to negotiate with her Master every aspect of the relationship they feel is important before she submits to his collar.

Dina,

still kneeling and trembling at your feet

added  "well that is really weird, I made a new profile because I deleted the old one but I still posted up with the old one.  I will never understand the message board monitoring gods, giggle"


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