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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/16/2009 9:42:18 PM   
Hiskajirah


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Been bullied into silence more than once. Bullied isn't a good work because on the flip side one could claim it's respect. It could be said "the girl ceased to speak out of respect" when really she ceased because she was being made to feel without worth, like her words had no value (even when they really did), etc etc..

I suppose by having feelings of such in the past it had deferred me from further participation which really did do me more harm than good. I lost respect of some.

It is said Gorean are harsh, but not cruel. That's how I know base respect or not. See... I use to respect everyone. I believe all persons deserved my immediate respect. I did not so much believe that a person especially a Gorean had to earn my respect.

No one has to earn anything of me.

I have though since (more recently) been able to understand that this isn't so. I do struggle with it because I want to respect all.

I have learned that it's okay for others to not care for me, or like what I have to say, but I do have to deal with any outcome. I've always cared just a little too much.

A brick was lifted from my shoulders when my Master and (other free) told me to let it go...

And just be.

Warm wishes,
~twinkle


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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/16/2009 9:46:04 PM   
ishyB


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Status: offline 		Greetings S2,

while I understand your sentiment and I do agree with the notion that if a slave's voice is meaningless, there is no need to silent it, there is also another thing to take into consideration: background noise...

The voice of a radio might be meaningless in a conversation I am having, but that doesn't mean that it cannot be annoying sometimes to hear it in the background.

Slave's voices are often like that. Because they carry no real weight in certain conversations or on certain topics, they are more distracting from the main conversation than anything else, even if what the radio/slave is saying may have value by its own right.

At the same time, listening to a radio/slave can be very rewarding and entertaining, at the appropriate times.

A slave's first function is to be pleasing, not to be heard. No matter how valid a point may be that she has to present, if she presents it in a way that is displeasing to the Free, she loses sight completely of what her primary function and goal is.
Being right doesn't make one please, quite the opposite in many cases even...

On the other hand, I've found that if a girl takes the effort to find the right way, and the right time to present her points, she will rarely if ever be chastised by the Free for doing so. Goreans tend to value intelligence in everybody, including slaves, which means they often enjoy conversing with a slave... as long as that slave manages to not lose sight of her primary purpose.

I wish you well,

ishy


_____________________________

I want you to know that it doesn't matter where we take this road
Someone's gotta go
and I want you to know you couldn't have loved me better
But I wanted to move on
So I'm already gone

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/16/2009 9:57:34 PM   
Elisabella


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For example, a person accepting the rules their boss imposes on them is by my definition being mastered by the boss, at least in that area of their life. This is the case even if the person has total control over all other aspects of their life. It would basically mean that nearly all people are slave to their jobs, or something else along those lines.


Hi Ishy,

I really have to leave (I've been trying to tear myself away from the computer for an hour now) but I just wanted to pop in and say that IMO the difference comes in whether or not it's considered a choice. If a person says "I can't leave my job, no matter how cruel my boss is, because I'm living paycheck to paycheck" then I'd say they're a slave to their job.

If on the other hand a person says "My boss is a jerk but I enjoy the perks of this job, I could go find a job at another company but I'm willing to put up with my boss here for the hours/prestige/salary/location/etc" then they're making a choice to stay and using an agent based morality.

IWYW,
Bella

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/16/2009 10:08:06 PM   
ishyB


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elisabella

quote:

For example, a person accepting the rules their boss imposes on them is by my definition being mastered by the boss, at least in that area of their life. This is the case even if the person has total control over all other aspects of their life. It would basically mean that nearly all people are slave to their jobs, or something else along those lines.


Hi Ishy,

I really have to leave (I've been trying to tear myself away from the computer for an hour now) but I just wanted to pop in and say that IMO the difference comes in whether or not it's considered a choice. If a person says "I can't leave my job, no matter how cruel my boss is, because I'm living paycheck to paycheck" then I'd say they're a slave to their job.

If on the other hand a person says "My boss is a jerk but I enjoy the perks of this job, I could go find a job at another company but I'm willing to put up with my boss here for the hours/prestige/salary/location/etc" then they're making a choice to stay and using an agent based morality.

IWYW,
Bella


Greetings She-Who-Is-Never-On-Yahoo-Anymore,

In the case of the person saying that they have no choice because they live paycheck to paycheck it isn't really a matter of them really not having a choice though, even though that's what they might say...
I mean, you ALWAYS have the choice to leave... even if that means being hungry.

Hell there have been so many debates on this board before, or even between you and me about slave girls claiming "I cannot leave him" and your stance has ALWAYS been "you CAN, you just choose not to."
So how come a job is suddenly different?

Just because a person doesn't want to make the choice to be hungry doesn't mean it still isn't a choice.
Even if they try to justify that choice to themselves by claiming they had no choice to begin with...

I wish you well,

ishy

_____________________________

I want you to know that it doesn't matter where we take this road
Someone's gotta go
and I want you to know you couldn't have loved me better
But I wanted to move on
So I'm already gone

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/16/2009 10:21:02 PM   
S2


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ishyB
What do I want from life?
What am I willing to pay to get what I want?
Who am I?
WHY am I?
Is it even proper for a slave to be asking these questions or am I just setting myself up for a close encounter with Master's kurt?

I wish you well,

ishy


Just a couple quick phrases which may or may not help you answer your question :)
"I am what I am" - I have no idea what the source of this one is, or if it even have a distinguished source...
"It is not wrong to be happy" - I think this one is repeated quite often in the Gor books...

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hiskajirah
I did not so much believe that a person especially a Gorean had to earn my respect.
I have though since (more recently) been able to understand that this isn't so. I do struggle with it because I want to respect all.


I think, as of now, there is only one thing (with regard to people) that I automatically show respect to, and that is established, recognised, justified authority. Of course, what has not yet proven to be worthy of respect is not automatic accorded with disrespect.
I follow two guidelines when interacting with those who have yet been proven to be worthy of respect: have no malicious/hostile intent, and respond to courtesy and kindness in kind. That seems to have worked well for me :)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ishyB
while I understand your sentiment and I do agree with the notion that if a slave's voice is meaningless, there is no need to silent it, there is also another thing to take into consideration: background noise...

The voice of a radio might be meaningless in a conversation I am having, but that doesn't mean that it cannot be annoying sometimes to hear it in the background.


true :)

quote:


A slave's first function is to be pleasing, not to be heard


I have once been told something somewhat contrary "A slave's first duty is to obey, the Masters will decide if her efforts are pleasing."
That is the thinking I am leaning more toward, afterall, what a slave believe to be pleasing or displeasing might not always be the same as those whom she is interacting with.
That is not to say a slave don't need to make an effort to be pleasing at all times... But I find it easier to function to an objective guideline as opposed to a subjective one.


< Message edited by S2 -- 12/16/2009 10:37:23 PM >

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/16/2009 11:32:58 PM   
Hiskajirah


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Status: offline 		Greetings ishy

You said " At the same time, listening to a radio/slave can be very rewarding and entertaining, at the appropriate times." and "On the other hand, I've found that if a girl takes the effort to find the right way, and the right time to present her points, she will rarely if ever be chastised by the Free for doing so. Goreans tend to value intelligence in everybody, including slaves, which means they often enjoy conversing with a slave... as long as that slave manages to not lose sight of her primary purpose."

Agreed. ~smiles

Greetings S2

You said "I think, as of now, there is only one thing (with regard to people) that I automatically show respect to, and that is established, recognised, justified authority. Of course, what has not yet proven to be worthy of respect is not automatic accorded with disrespect.
I follow two guidelines when interacting with those who have yet been proven to be worthy of respect: have no malicious/hostile intent, and respond to courtesy and kindness in kind. That seems to have worked well for me :)"

This is similar in how I'm adjusting now instead of how I was in the giving of "automatic respect".  Those that I respect and admire, know it (and from time to time I will approach one that may not know, so that they do) and those I don't may never know. I prefer to be courteous than ugly. It's just my nature.

You also said "I have once been told something somewhat contrary "A slave's first duty is to obey, the Masters will decide if her efforts are pleasing."

Agreed! And this is why I have come to accept that my silence is not necessary. ~smiles


Warmest wishes to both of you,
~twinkle


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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/16/2009 11:49:03 PM   
Maahsatti


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A slave's first function is to be pleasing, not to be heard. No matter how valid a point may be that she has to present, if she presents it in a way that is displeasing to the Free, she loses sight completely of what her primary function and goal is.
Being right doesn't make one please, quite the opposite in many cases even...

On the other hand, I've found that if a girl takes the effort to find the right way, and the right time to present her points, she will rarely if ever be chastised by the Free for doing so. Goreans tend to value intelligence in everybody, including slaves, which means they often enjoy conversing with a slave... as long as that slave manages to not lose sight of her primary purpose.


Greetings,
I feel this has been expressed spot on and is exactly what I was trying to get across.

twink also did an excellent job at explaining to you the difference between joining in a conversation constructively with respectful constructive comments over popping off your opinions and feelings, despite whether given permission or even asked to provide your views,etc.

I had said to you that the Free does not want a mindless git to serve them and indeed do enjoy an intelligent out going slave. I have also seen many Free, specially FM, take great delight in slaves who are saucy and spirited, so to speak.

However, none that I am aware of will tolerate any slave coming forth and in a sense...wagging their finger at them in some sort of chastisement, and that is what you came dangerously close to doing.

When I told you that as a slave I had always kept my mouth shut unless given permission to do otherwise, I did so out of respect...most times out of respect for those individual Free, BUT there were times that I could not stand a particular Free but shown the same behavior out of respect for Gorean standard and protocol and more importantly, out of respect for who and what I was and my station.However, when I was given permission to speak my mind on a particular subject, be sure I did just that and without any sugar coating, but I always  remained within my boundaries while doing so.

A slave need not respect a particular Free, but she does need to show respect regardless. When she does anything less, she only hurts herself and betrays her own nature.Possibly even making herself appear to be a liar.

When we claim to be someone who lives by certain philosophies,values,morals, standards, etc etc.then we need do so no matter where we are...online or offline anywhere and everywhere we may go in our life.

To me it is that simple.

serve and be well,
Mistress Maahsatti

< Message edited by Maahsatti -- 12/16/2009 11:57:21 PM >

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Gorean women, whether slave or Free,know, that their simple presence, brings joy to men,and I cannot think but that this pleases them.
Outlaw of Gor, pg 54

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 1:02:53 AM   
Maahsatti


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Status: offline 		Also, you stated that you do and say what you do for the own good of the Free, that your hope is that by admonishing the Free they may ponder it and reflect positively on their behavior and then become a Gorean *you* feel more appropriate to the standards of being Gorean.

Well, that definately crosses the line of what a slave has a right in doing
A Free could sit there and say to you..S2, I say the sky today is a nice shade of black and goes well against the plaid color of the sun....your response would be?.....I am guessing you would correct that Free and I feel my guess is spot on, by what I have already read of you.
BUT, you would be in the wrong and stepping out of line..the correct response would be...Yes Master________ or Mistress______,  you are absolutely right.If that is what you feel Master______ Mistress________Now, after responding in the appropriate manner you could ...lets say...ask the Master or Mistress if you could share with them an observation you have made and then proceed in letting them know, you thought the sky was blue and the sun yellow, etc...I am sure you get my drift.because as I said, no Gorean I am aware of, wants a stupid slave...lol...unless of course that particular Master or Mistress is themself...stupid...lol...of course I am joking here.
Anyways, just some more food for thought, girl.

Maahsatti

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 3:56:25 AM   
Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: ishyB


Greetings She-Who-Is-Never-On-Yahoo-Anymore,

In the case of the person saying that they have no choice because they live paycheck to paycheck it isn't really a matter of them really not having a choice though, even though that's what they might say...
I mean, you ALWAYS have the choice to leave... even if that means being hungry.

Hell there have been so many debates on this board before, or even between you and me about slave girls claiming "I cannot leave him" and your stance has ALWAYS been "you CAN, you just choose not to."
So how come a job is suddenly different?

Just because a person doesn't want to make the choice to be hungry doesn't mean it still isn't a choice.
Even if they try to justify that choice to themselves by claiming they had no choice to begin with...

I wish you well,

ishy

That's actually really true and I was thinking about it earlier - an unemployed person in most western countries that have strong social welfare programs has a higher standard of living than an unskilled laborer in a third world country.

So following that logic I guess it would go to saying that consensual slavery isn't the same thing as slavery you're unwilling to leave...I don't know. It's kinda late and I have fumes in my brain right now.

I just spent another 5 hours in the salon getting foils put in...I'm a lot closer to blonde now. The next set should have me all the way there. And this woman actually did my hair the right colour - she used a light ash blonde instead of the brassy golden one they did at the other salon.

Anyway I'll try to be on Yahoo, I've been playing computer games a lot with Anthony and haven't really been on Yahoo so much.

Love ya,
Bella

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 8:26:19 AM   
ishyB


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

That's actually really true and I was thinking about it earlier - an unemployed person in most western countries that have strong social welfare programs has a higher standard of living than an unskilled laborer in a third world country.

So following that logic I guess it would go to saying that consensual slavery isn't the same thing as slavery you're unwilling to leave...I don't know. It's kinda late and I have fumes in my brain right now.

I just spent another 5 hours in the salon getting foils put in...I'm a lot closer to blonde now. The next set should have me all the way there. And this woman actually did my hair the right colour - she used a light ash blonde instead of the brassy golden one they did at the other salon.

Anyway I'll try to be on Yahoo, I've been playing computer games a lot with Anthony and haven't really been on Yahoo so much.

Love ya,
Bella


Greetings Bella-the-Blond-Spoiled-Middle-Class-Housewive[sic]-That-Collects-Designer-Handbags,

When further tearing down my brain to find a difference between an employee accepting a shitty job by choice, and a girl accepting slavery by choice, it seems that there could be a difference that takes away the “choice” part in both of them.

Like Mistress Kimveri noted earlier in this thread, all are choices are depended on what we want, and the price we are willing to pay to obtain that.

In the case of an employee who chooses to accept a shitty job, they make a trade choosing to accept their boss’ conditions to gain the money they think they need.
Even though they might be able to get by on less money, or be able to obtain more money elsewhere should they be willing to take the risk to try it, in the end they still feel that they are better off where they are right now, which makes them choose to stay.

A girl in servitude to a man might make that same choice: she is willing to give her servitude to gain the personal satisfaction or the security the man provides her with.

In both example, people set a price and are content with the reward.

Now in the case of either of them, if mastery is applied, it is possible that the boss or the dominant is able to apply their will power on the subject to get them to “back off” from the goal they had set themselves to obtain.
Imagine the boss continuously lowering the worker’s pay, beyond the minimum limit the worker had originally set for themselves that they needed to obtain to be satisfied with the job offering. If the worker then, after not getting the reward they originally has settled for, still stays in the job, they have compromised their own choices for… for nothing really…
They no longer obtain anything and follow order for no other reason than the fact that they are compelled to do what their boss demands of them. They traded in free will for nothing.

Same applies to a slave.
You would assume that anybody seeking enslavement or mastery does so because they have a goal they are striving to reach. They imagine gaining some sort of security or personal satisfaction from the mastery of another and are willing to trade in personal freedom to gain that personal satisfaction.
But when looking at it that way, they are still making a trade off, they are still making a choice to trade one thing for something else.
It isn’t until the dominant pushes them past their originally set goal, to a state in which they continue serving even if that goal is not being met that they truly give up their own free will.

It is only that that notion sounds rather depressing…
I mean, why would you be compelled to look for a situation in which the obtaining of personal satisfaction (in whatever form that personal satisfaction may come, some people do derive that from servitude) is no longer the primary goal in life? The often overly romanticize view of “consensual” slavery crumbles down when you break it down to a state in which you give up everything, to gain absolutely nothing… and when looking at examples where people truly are deprived of their free will, that is the situation you always end up in.

Anything before that, any situation where there is still reward found in trading in personal autonomy, is in the end… still a choice…

I wish you well,

ishy



< Message edited by ishyB -- 12/17/2009 8:27:04 AM >

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Someone's gotta go
and I want you to know you couldn't have loved me better
But I wanted to move on
So I'm already gone

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 8:37:38 AM   
Elisabella


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*takes this convo to yahoo*

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 9:54:54 AM   
ishyB


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ORIGINAL: S2

I have once been told something somewhat contrary "A slave's first duty is to obey, the Masters will decide if her efforts are pleasing."
That is the thinking I am leaning more toward, afterall, what a slave believe to be pleasing or displeasing might not always be the same as those whom she is interacting with.
That is not to say a slave don't need to make an effort to be pleasing at all times... But I find it easier to function to an objective guideline as opposed to a subjective one.



Greetings S2,

You are right of course, a slave's duty is to obey, and her being found pleasing stems direction from her obeying (most times at least.)

But the point I was trying to make is still valid, in the context of the example you gave of warning a free that they are about to drink poison, the merit of the girl speaking up will still be weight on if her contribution is found pleasing or not.

Say that she was ordered to silence by the person about to drink the poison and by speaking up she thus directly disobeyed his order. He might be displeased at her disobeying but the fact that he might be more pleased at her speaking up could prevent her from being punished for being disobedient. Because regardless of her "forgetting" her place and disobeying, her intent was to be pleasing.

Now say that the person who provided the poison had ordered the slave to silence, and upon him hearing the slave trying to warn the person drinking the poison he grabs his sword and slays the man, leaving the slave with nobody there but the person who was trying to kill the man she warned. In such a situation, her disobedience will be considered a very very serious offence, because she is found to be displeasing by the free person who is left to render judgment over her.
Presumable, he would be very annoyed at her to say the least, and her punishment could very well be extremely severe.

I think that's why a slave, when speaking, always needs to keep in mind not only the validly of her own words, but also the perception that the free hearing them will have of those words.
No matter how right a slave might be... if she is found displeasing, it is still her ass on the line...

I wish you well,

ishy


_____________________________

I want you to know that it doesn't matter where we take this road
Someone's gotta go
and I want you to know you couldn't have loved me better
But I wanted to move on
So I'm already gone

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 1:02:38 PM   
S2


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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti
However, none that I am aware of will tolerate any slave coming forth and in a sense...wagging their finger at them in some sort of chastisement, and that is what you came dangerously close to doing.


Greetings, Mistress Maahsatti,
I think that might be where my dilemma lies. I can understand that sentiment. I too would have felt indignant if, say, a child came up to me and corrected my behaviour. But the question is, will they(or myself) still be willing to objectively consider what was said?
If the Free do not correct each other, and do not correct themselves, who is left? Should they be left alone in their ignorance?
I am reminded of the fable "The emperor's new clothes". Sometimes, some things simply need to be said, and said bluntly, if those who think they know better can't or won't speak up.

quote:


When we claim to be someone who lives by certain philosophies,values,morals, standards, etc etc.then we need do so no matter where we are...online or offline anywhere and everywhere we may go in our life.

I agree, and may we all strive to practice what we preach :)

quote:


BUT, you would be in the wrong and stepping out of line..the correct response would be...Yes Master________ or Mistress______, you are absolutely right.If that is what you feel Master______ Mistress________Now, after responding in the appropriate manner you could ...lets say...ask the Master or Mistress if you could share with them an observation you have made and then proceed in letting them know, you thought the sky was blue and the sun yellow, etc...I am sure you get my drift.

Thank you for the suggestion, I will strive to improve my presentation :)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ishyB
No matter how right a slave might be... if she is found displeasing, it is still her ass on the line...

A good point, thank you for reminding me :)

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 1:50:51 PM   
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If the Free do not correct each other, and do not correct themselves, who is left?


   Greetings,
Certainly not a slave S2, it would be better that a Free go on in ignorance then for a slave to correct them, that is just how it is.

However, you or any other slave would not know if a Free is indeed, bringing the other Free any advise or enlightenment to their behavior if it were in private AND the majority of the time that is exactly where it would be taken when between the Free, privately not open to the viewing of other people and specially to slaves.

If you can not accept that or any of the other facts that come with being Gorean and living by the protocols/standards and philosophies, then perhaps you should rethink whether or not you belong within the Gorean community and ask yourself, am I really the type of person who can withstand these conditions.

That is not designed to be an insult either, because there is no shame or wrong doing in realizing or coming to a decision that slavery with a Gorean Mastery is not for you.

If however you feel that you can accept this slavery under those specific terms and can flourish within it, then there should be no further argument/debate about it, no what if's or but's or I only meant/intended.

See what I am saying?

serve and be well,
Mistress Maahsatti


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Gorean women, whether slave or Free,know, that their simple presence, brings joy to men,and I cannot think but that this pleases them.
Outlaw of Gor, pg 54

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 4:22:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti
Greetings,
Certainly not a slave S2, it would be better that a Free go on in ignorance then for a slave to correct them, that is just how it is.

If i may respectfully ask, how is this possible?

How is it possible that one going around in ignorance is better?


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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 4:29:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		say for example, that you are slave, and I am master, and I tell you that jesus is going to come and save us all, and you are a scientist, or that I say that it will snow tomorrow and you happen to have an advanced degree in meteorology.........

Or say that I say that chlorine gas is not poisonous, and I'll prove it, now under which of these conditions should you disabuse me of that notion in your best interests?

For each of the former, it wont mix you up harmful, and for the latter, you are better off letting it run its course, letting nature take its course, and freeing you from ignorance without picking up anything from the grocery store, is that not the case?

Just saying,

Hup

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 4:42:32 PM   
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Although she wasn't supposed to, I bet Bosk was damn glad Vera picked up that crossbow...

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 4:44:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti


it would be better that a Free go on in ignorance then for a slave to correct them, that is just how it is.



Really...?

Here, on earth...?



< Message edited by eponavet -- 12/17/2009 4:45:17 PM >

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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 4:46:51 PM   
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RE: of myself, Gor, and Goreans - 12/17/2009 4:49:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Natural selection. It kills off the dumb ones.





then why is Palin still around?

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