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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti
Greetings,
Certainly not a slave S2, it would be better that a Free go on in ignorance then for a slave to correct them, that is just how it is.
Yes, Mistress Maahsatti, you are absolutely right, if that is what you feel, Mistress Maahsatti.
On the other hand, if it pleases Mistress, this girl would like to draw attention to the following line from Explorers of Gor:
“Tell him,” said I, “that Bila Huruma, his own Ubar, speaks to commoners. Tell him that a true Mfalme listens to, and speaks with, all men.”
Granted, slaves are not men. However, the parallel between Mfalme/commoner and Free/slave is perhaps not completely unreasonable.
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However, you or any other slave would not know if a Free is indeed, bringing the other Free any advise or enlightenment to their behavior if it were in private AND the majority of the time that is exactly where it would be taken when between the Free, privately not open to the viewing of other people and specially to slaves.
It is true, I do not know. Nonetheless, it is hard to imagine that such activities are taking place, considering the lack of results.
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If you can not accept that or any of the other facts that come with being Gorean and living by the protocols/standards and philosophies, then perhaps you should rethink whether or not you belong within the Gorean community and ask yourself, am I really the type of person who can withstand these conditions.
If I may clarify. I do not claim to be Gorean. In fact, by some definitions, being Gorean is beyond the grasp of slaves.
On the other hand, I do desire to interact with those who have a passion for Gor, and share our love of a common interest.
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That is not designed to be an insult either, because there is no shame or wrong doing in realizing or coming to a decision that slavery with a Gorean Mastery is not for you.
If however you feel that you can accept this slavery under those specific terms and can flourish within it, then there should be no further argument/debate about it, no what if's or but's or I only meant/intended.
See what I am saying?
serve and be well,
Mistress Maahsatti
I believe I see what you are saying... However, please allow me to paraphrase, to make sure I have not misunderstood.
If I decide that I do not agree with what you think is considered Gorean, then there is no shame in me leaving this forum.
Or, if I feel that I have an affinity for Gor, I should just be quiet and accept your word for what Gor is.
Have I misunderstood?
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ORIGINAL: XaviersXian
A slave, on the other hand, is someone who does not have that same ability to be free thinking
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ORIGINAL: Barelynangel
She by the very concept she is a slave kept by a Gorean Man, she loses her ability to apply her ego against those who are Free.
It seems that I live by a much simpler definition of slavery than what seem to be the common sentiment. Perhaps that is what lead to the misunderstandings.
I followed the dictionary definition: a slave is a person that is owned by another as a piece of property.
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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti
As for a slave helping a Free to avoid embarrassment, I still see no action of *correction* in that, not in a telling a Free what to do or how to think/behave and act sort of way.
If I may make a distinction: Pointing out a correction is not the same as making a correction. I merely point out possible corrections, the Free is still free to decide if they wish to make that correction.
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ORIGINAL: AnnaOfAramis
And in many ways, I think of the Free here in a similar way- they simply outrank me. Back in the days of the big houses with a full staff of servants, servants were expected to stand back and be as invisible as possible until needed. For them to interject in a conversation that the Master of the house and his guests were having would be unthinkable and quite astounding. There is a time, a place, and an appropriate way to do things.
Thank you for your insight. I do appreciate well defined, and clear cut structures. It is within such that I am able to fully understand what is expected of me, and within which boundaries I am expected to behave.
On the other hand, I am not convinced this is such a place. For one, the Free do not seem to agree fully with each other on the many details of code of conduct, for slave or free. Second, while this is a subforum labelled "Gorean Lifestyle", John Norman does not have the authority to dictate its code of conduct, nor in fact is anyone else who is not a Moderator, Gorean or otherwise. Third, there is no single recognized authority to whom all such decisions are deferred, with perhaps exception of the Moderator.
The military have the chain of command. Such does not seem to exist here.
As such, I am currently functioning under the usual guidelines for public forums. No abuse of the service it provides, no harrassment of other participants, no conducting of activities illegal in my country of residence, etc. If I have violated the rules of this forum, I have no doubt I will be efficiently removed.
If those who frequent these forums wish Gorean protocol to be strictly followed, perhaps they could petition for such rules and guidelines to be posted in a easily visible location and in a clear, concise fashion. Either with the blessings of a moderator, or the consensus of all of the free.
Granted, there is expectation that the will of the Free overrides the will of the slave. However, the simple state of not being owned (thus technically not a slave) does not automatically elevate one to the status of the Free. The Free themselves have standards to meet, stated by the Free themselves. Until they have shown that they have met those self-declared standards, I do not see how they can claim the right to the self-granted priviledges.
< Message edited by S2 -- 12/17/2009 8:54:11 PM >
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