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Hierodule -> A question for Gorean Free Women (and also one for the slave girls) (12/17/2009 11:30:55 PM)

Hello Free Women,

(I want to give the utmost respect to all of you but I don't feel comfortable with the word Mistress. Or the oh so formal "Greetings." I feel like typing those words would be hypocritical of me. I'm not a Gorean slave. Please understand)


I have a question. It is mainly for Free Women, but I would also like to get the slave girls' perspective.


I finished Raiders a few days ago and something has stuck with me ever since. Telima says "Every woman sometimes wishes to be loved as a Ubara and sometimes as a slave girl"

What do you Free Women think? Do you agree? Do you sometimes wish to be loved as a slave girl? Would you like your man to treat you as a pleasure slave, even if for only one night?

Also, slave girls, do you ever wished to be loved as your Masters Ubara? Even if only in fantasy?




Cherylmazana -> RE: A question for Gorean Free Women (and also one for the slave girls) (12/18/2009 12:37:21 AM)

Why would a free woman want to be treated as a slave? After all if that’s what she wanted she most likely could submit and have a collar around her neck anyway.

What I suspect though that you are trying to ask (though I may be wrong) is would free women like to be sexually treated as a slave for one night.

The problem there is that while the books divide women into hot sluts and frigid free women as extreme examples of archetypes in reality there are frigid slaves and passionate free women, there are even free women who enjoy BDSM with their companion and are considered his submissive at BDSM play parties.

Being a Gorean free woman is not about sexually playing at being a slave for a night, or a slave saying I’m tired tonight I want to be frigid and free, its about a philosophy and how you live, not about changing roles for a giggle and kicks.

Its more about how you are than titles. So if a free woman wanted to be “as passionate as a slave in the furs” there is nothing stopping her, as for a slave if their real desire is not to please their owner and be how he wants then they are not really a mastered slave anyway.

Cheryl



S2 -> RE: A question for Gorean Free Women (and also one for the slave girls) (12/18/2009 11:23:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hierodule
Also, slave girls, do you ever wished to be loved as your Masters Ubara? Even if only in fantasy?


For me to answer that question, I would have to first consider what it might mean to be "loved as your Master's Ubara".

There was once an incident where a man told me I should leave my Master, so that I can be treated as a princess. Both myself and my Master saw that as a demotion. To me, to be a woman of high station means that she is likely admired, highly respected, and perhaps even feared. To hold such a position, and power, or to be treated as such, I believe inevitably makes one difficult to approach... Which is undesireable for me.

On the other hand, if it means to be doted on, to have all of one's whims met, to be able to indulge in all of one's desires... then yes, it is tempting, but I would never dream of doing so at the expense of my Master.



Maahsatti -> RE: A question for Gorean Free Women (and also one for the slave girls) (12/18/2009 11:38:41 AM)

Hi Cheryl,

  You hit the ball right out of the park, Lady and I personally can not think of anything more to say on the OP to improve upon your own post.

Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,
Babs



Aswad -> RE: A question for Gorean Free Women (and also one for the slave girls) (12/25/2009 2:20:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cherylmazana

What I suspect though that you are trying to ask (though I may be wrong) is would free women like to be sexually treated as a slave for one night.


Men tend to be sluts, why shouldn't women have that option, too, right?

Anyway, a very rarely quoted, and oft glossed over, passage in the books notes that more than a few free men enjoy the flip side of the coin, too, in the privacy of their own homes. I'm going to have to look it up at some point, as it is apt to make more than a few of the more literal of the chest thumping types a mite apoplectic...

Health,
al-Aswad.



Kimveri -> RE: A question for Gorean Free Women (and also one for the slave girls) (12/25/2009 3:52:58 PM)

quote:

"On the other hand, it is not too unusual in a set of compartments on Gor where the Master, in effect, willingly wears the collar, and his lovely slave, by the practice of the delightful wiles of her sex, with scandalous success wheedles her way triumphantly from the satisfaction of one whim to the next."~pg54Outlaw


Is that the one, Aswad?

;-p

~K



Aswad -> RE: A question for Gorean Free Women (and also one for the slave girls) (12/25/2009 5:17:41 PM)

Methinks that's the one.

Health,
al-Aswad.



sunshineslave200 -> RE: A question for Gorean Free Women (and also one for the slave girls) (12/25/2009 7:37:03 PM)

as this property isnt sure of Y/your staus please for give her in not addressing Y/you. however as Owned property ( slave ) she is offering her prespective. when this property was a FW she very much desired to be loved and treated as a slave by Her Free Companion. Some of Them obliged he and some didnt. she found out later that the reason she had these feelings was she truely was a slave. not wanted to be but was. and now as property real time and slave online she feels no desire to be loved as a Free Woman. she is very happy being loved and treated as what she is. Thank You.



nephandi -> RE: A question for Gorean Free Women (and also one for the slave girls) (1/4/2010 6:08:30 AM)

Greetings

I am a free woman but I was a slave before. Do I sometime desire the simplicity of slavery again. Yes I do, often. Now this have little to do with sexuality. If I felt the need to be a slut then I am sure my Companion would welcome that, one night or several nights :P Do I miss being used as property, yes I do. But being a free woman is an honor, and I would not as a free woman want to be treated as a slave.

I wish you well



Pygromanche -> RE: A question for Gorean Free Women (and also one for the slave girls) (1/7/2010 6:20:33 PM)

Having been .... A free woman, kajira, AND a panther....which I feel is the Gorean equivalent of BDSM's switch, I'd have to say that there really is no bond stronger than that of a kajira and her Master. There is something so trusting, and complete about being owned by a Gorean Master and being his property. To be completely used at his disposal, his every whim and mood.....and just trusting that you are his and he will not bring great harm upon you. Even if he were to bring great harm it would be something that you accept because it is result of his wishes. You are his. For me it was far more complete a connection than that of a Free Woman. As a Free Woman I enjoyed time with my kajiru more than my Free Companion.

(And btw nothing sparks more of a domme fire in me than slapping a collar around the neck of a kajiru....I don't even have to be the one doing it. Lol. )

To be a Free woman is to have honor....caste...power, and an identity....all things that have really nothing to do with how much your Free Companion loves you, because he could turn you into his slave as well if he wished, in a manner of speaking. I feel that yes, many Free Women would enjoy feeling the lash across their back and the metal heavy upon their neck, but it is how they are treated and perceived by others which keeps them from doing so. FW have their families to worry about, and society...they do not wish to fall in status before their eyes....to be "demoted" to the place of a simple slave girl. It's the only thing that keeps FW, FW....or makes them become Panthers ;p.



nephandi -> RE: A question for Gorean Free Women (and also one for the slave girls) (1/7/2010 7:01:41 PM)

Greetings

Also while a woman might wish to submit, might wish slavery, her wish to fulfill her own dreams might be stronger. Let us say a woman have a passion for music. When she is free she have the right to explore this passion and dedicate her life to it, as a slave, her Master chooses for her if she will be allowed to follow her dreams. A woman might desire the collar, but desire her dreams more. Off course many free men would gladly allow their slaves to have their dreams, and seek out what they are passionate about, but as a slave practicing what she are passionate about and dedication her life to it are no longer her choice, but her Master's gift which he can choose to give, not give or take back at any time.

I wish you well



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