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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/25/2009 1:47:48 PM   
Aynne88


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Malkinius,

So many "we's" in that speech for a group that seemingly can't agree on much of anything. I don't see a cohesive band of brothers when I read these forums, just my observation.

Also, I find it really amusing that you say Gor is *not* about slaves and slavery? Come on....even a day one newbie here wouldn't believe that. Look at the longest running post. Or the constant mention of slaves in every topic.

Lastly, many of us that are "into BDSM" take our relationship dynamics just as seriously as some here in Gor. I am tired of the attitude that my relationship which is based on a male led power exchange respectful 24/7 way of life gets intimated to be nothing more than kinky sex. That's pompous, condescending and incorrect.

Okay the infidel is leaving, some Goreans are stirring up some drama in the BDSM threads, I have to go check it out. It's a girl too, better reign her in..

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/25/2009 1:52:47 PM   
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i so love you dear aynne.  sweetie have a wonderful Christmas. Soon we have to meet!!!  Love Master's star

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/25/2009 2:16:41 PM   
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Oh deal lord I'm toast now for consorting with the devil.. I'll risk it! Hope you both are having a wonderful holiday~

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/25/2009 3:30:07 PM   
Arturas


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im sorry i should have kept that quiet!! really i am sorry. i havent done that with all the rest of the people who cmail me. sorry love..  please bash me!!!!  so all the rest of them KNOW your one of them.  

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/25/2009 3:52:34 PM   
Aswad


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Aynne, there's a lot of Americans here, too. Seems being American is all about BDSM, right? No? Oh, could've fooled me. Says "state" in the profile, even.

Or, maybe not..

And maybe Goreans who are into BDSM started going to CM because it turned out to be a nice place. Maybe we eventually got a corner of our own to play in, so as to avoid the endless friction that occurs when people are discussing things from two different frames of reference. If the Afghani were a sizeable group on this board, and chose to discuss their marriages in BDSM terms, I'm pretty sure there would be a fair bit of friction. And eventually a seperate section for them, too, so that people would know not to step on toes by starting from a different premise than the one in use. And I'm pretty sure that, after a while, there would be a lot of threads about other subjects in that part of the board, just like in this part of the board.

History... pay attention to it, or repeat mistakes ad nauseam... that's why this subsection is even here in the first place.

In this corner of the boards, there's a loose gathering of people who are a partial intersection between Goreans and M/s folk and BDSM folk and others. The common thread is that we all have some interest in, or stake in, or commitment to, or whatever with regard to, the Gorean lifestyles and philosophies. And, yes, most of us here are also interested in a set of activities and relationship models that fit under the BDSM umbrella. However, most of us approach those from one set of angles and have little interest in debating how that fits under said umbrella, e.g. with regard to models of consent, definitions of terms, and whatnot. So that goes here, too.

See, as an example with regards to origins, if we post on the other side, and use the term slave, everyone will read that as one of a million different things, few of which will have anything to do with what we have in mind. Then everyone will start commenting about how this doesn't mesh with their worldview. And there we go. A simple thing becomes a huge deal. It doesn't need to be. When the same thing is posted here, everyone has a reasonably good idea of what's being talked about, and the how's and why's of it. In short, this group has a fairly homogenous jargon, a fairly common point of reference, and a fairly consistent outlook (compared to the rest of the board, anyhow).

So here we are. And like the rest, we like to talk about other things than slaves, too. Sometimes, that'll be topics that we approach from a particular outlook, and then it goes here. And sometimes, Goreans who have dropped by simply because it's worked out to be a nice place to debate, without an interest in the male-female-whateverbrandofale side of things, will participate in discussions on those topics. Which gets less noisy than doing it in the general part of the board, and more productive overall.

The place has acquired a flavor and atmosphere that nobody intended, becoming something distinct.

Failing to see the course of board history in it will obscure the distinction you're missing.

Health,
al-Aswad.

< Message edited by Aswad -- 12/25/2009 4:09:41 PM >


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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/25/2009 10:52:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FyreWolfe

quote:

Noone should feel unwelcome on any part of the boards. Non Goreans as well as Goreans are welcome here. Lofty ideaology aside, as long as the owners want it that way, it stays that way.,,,my suggestion would be if in fact, you would decide that you are in control of the board, that you find a site, and you pay the bills for that wish to come true.Then your ideals on who and who not to let in will have some credibility.


Thank you admins i knew i was right, it isnt right that some people judge others just because they dont fit into the little "clicky circle"

quote:

And just like anyplace else on these forums, if you act like an asshole, you can expect to be treated as such.


and you you can call me a asshole all you want but the fact still remains this is a OPEN forum just because i dont fit into your little "circle" and do things diffrently is no reason to call names or judge me. YOU DO NOT know me.



Fyre Wolfe:

I am relatively new here, yet I came here because I feel I have a lot in common with most folks on this subforum.
I came here to learn a few things, contribute if I can and try to get along. I'm rather enjoying my time here and have met some goodly people.

If these are not similar to your own goals here, and if you do not feel welcome, I gotta ask: Why are you here, in a place where you are apparently so uncomfortable?

Just a thought there.


Qorvas

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/26/2009 5:24:55 AM   
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Hello Qorvas,

I have asked that same question, and the response has always been the same, "because I can".   Which is absolutely correct, it IS an open forum, and YES they can.   And they will be judged, held accountable for their words -as much as possible in on-line setting.   As Aswad said in his post, some stay and figure out we have good discussions, lively debates, and sorta all know each other - again as much as possible on line.    And others toss in the towel, and quickly call ALL Gorean assholes, or some such name, and don't post here again, or very seldom; if they do it's to make a snarky comment usually on a topic they know nothing about.  I think there is a thread that is some 45 pages that is proof enough.

Take care,

Elizabeth





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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/26/2009 5:41:40 AM   
Aswad


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This is a more general note to the non-Goreans in the house, with particular attention to the ladies...

Since the Gorean subculture is dominated (pardon the pun) by men and women who have a preponderance of masculine cultural influence, it may be advisable and also quite educational to read some of the books (or, to save a buck, the articles that are available online) by Deborah Tannen, PhD, who has written extensively about how to bridge the culture gap between men and women, with particular attention to communication styles (she holds her doctorate in linguistics). The value in reading these will not, obviously, be limited to better understanding the tone in the Gorean corner of the board, but also generally when dealing with the opposite sex.

Quite simply put, we're all "business as usual," but just like business as usual in Japan is different from business as usual in the US, there are things that it will significantly help relations to know beforehand. In fact, we're generally pretty civil, and as someone who arrived here with a rather hostile tone, I will note that I've found the overall standard of civility between people who are aware of this difference- whether they identify as Gorean or not- to be quite a few notches better than the rest of the board. The caveat being the awareness of the difference in tone and what is and is not implied by it.

With a few unnamed exceptions, nobody here wants to alienate visitors, which would be contrary to the stated wishes of those who run the boards, as clarified by the admins, and Goreans are- as a general rule- mindful of the laws of the land. Even so, a certain tone has been established, and responses will obviously be better if one has a feel for that. Consider for a moment what responses might be expected to a bombastic, prejudice-laden first post on the rest of the board, and it should be clear that there's not that much of a difference. Similarly, consider the number of pages of posts that have been wasted on people using different terminology on the rest of the board, and realize that Goreans share a common terminology and will tend to assume that's the one that's in use when people post here.

As others have pointed out, reading a bit before posting is a good way to get a feel for the lay of the land, starting with the excellent FAQ thread by Tim (musicmystery).

Many non-Goreans have participated gainfully and civilly around these parts, and some have earned a great deal of respect by their contributions (e.g. Najakcharmer), so if there's a problem, it will probably be a good idea to consider carefully whether the style of communication might have something to do with it, or even to ask someone on the boards what the problem might be. Getting flustered about it is not likely to give good results. Figuring out what the problem is, and addressing it, usually works fine.

Health,
al-Aswad.


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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 9:41:14 AM   
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no doubt in my mind i want to be owned by a gore female domme,,,will give my LIFE to the gorelife,,think what you will of me....contact me ,,im  blktexrealslave,,on collar me,,

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 9:57:58 AM   
Musicmystery


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Dude,

You have no idea what you're talking about.

1) "gore" would mean you wish to be devoured by wild animals.

2) This isn't BDSM--there are no doms or dommes.

3) While possible, Gorean FW owning male slaves is not common in real life.

4) No doubt in your mind? You clearly have no idea what Gor is--and I mean literally, you have no idea what it is at all.

5) This is not the personals page.

6) This is not the personals forum.

7) Spamming the forums is frowned upon. Heavily.

8) You really do sound desperate. That is never a good start.

Learn about what you're asking. Start with the FAQ threads. Invest time in reading and learning.

You've a long way to go.

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 10:05:50 AM   
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A few words of advice -

quote:

ORIGINAL: blktexrealslave
no doubt in my mind i want to be owned by a gore female domme,,,will give my LIFE to the gorelife,,think what you will of me....contact me ,,im  blktexrealslave,,on collar me,,


Learn to use the proper spelling (it's Gor), grammar (sentences begin with a capitalized letter & end with a period), & perhaps even offer a greeting & closing to your posts (similar to a letter).

Just because you are in a text-only venue need not mean there's no effort to be more "attractive" to your target audience.

Speaking of a "target audience", you had best be able to keep your cool & remain courteous through a LOT of negativity...Goreans have little mercy for the submitted male.

Good luck,

~Kimveri

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 12:50:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kimveri

Learn to use the proper spelling (it's Gor)

Shhhhhhhhh!

{secret handshake}

K.

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 1:04:02 PM   
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I do have a question if I may......I am one of the many who's been "drawn" to that extremely ugly thread and while it's true I did post a few times, I stopped..... hoping the whole ugly mess would stop too but it is not to be.
I noticed on the aforementioned thread that the slaves were addressing the male idiot as "Master" even though in my opinion he deserves no such title especially from those who aren't his property.
Is this the norm within the Gor Community? Address a self proclaimed Master by such a title usually earned?

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 1:05:55 PM   
Kimveri


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...errr.....

uhhh




hehehe



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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 1:18:03 PM   
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Shhhhhhhhh!

{secret handshake}

K.



You forgot the secret decoder ring and membership card. ;O)


I wish you well,

  Camerius


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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 1:37:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VirginPotty

I do have a question if I may......I am one of the many who's been "drawn" to that extremely ugly thread and while it's true I did post a few times, I stopped..... hoping the whole ugly mess would stop too but it is not to be.
I noticed on the aforementioned thread that the slaves were addressing the male idiot as "Master" even though in my opinion he deserves no such title especially from those who aren't his property.
Is this the norm within the Gor Community? Address a self proclaimed Master by such a title usually earned?


1) Dripping scarcasm does not smear like mascara in the words of those who must be pleasing.
2) If slave (kajira) Master has more than likely laid out the rule that the issue of Master or not Master is outside their purview until Master has considered it..........even the dickwigglers of the world are free.
3) It is rather like the 'dealing with difficult conversations' books, kajira are to be pleasing, its what they do, it is who they are it is their lot in life....
4) any other number of various reasons, sorta. Like each situation is tailored with each individuals.

But thats the overview.

Hup the Fool (who you know as Ron)



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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 1:57:10 PM   
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VirginPotty, if you are posting I am assuming you have read the whole thread in its entirety. You really should pay attention to the part where people have said numerous times, “read the FAQ page”, “read the Books”. This will help in the long run. To answer your simple question, all slave address the free as Master and or Mistress regardless as to their relation to the slave or society. Master and Mistress is not a title for the free, the purpose of the slave to call a free person Master or Mistress is to be a constant reminder that the slave is a slave and nothing else. In general conversations from Free person to another Free person, we do not call each other Master or Mistress John Doe. Even if we judge someone to be an idiot, all slaves are required to address a free person as Master or Mistress and not by their name (except in special cases online in forums and chat rooms where it maybe unclear as to whom the slave is speaking to, and this rule is waved).

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 2:23:38 PM   
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"You may judge and scorn the Goreans if you wish.  Know as well, however, that they judge and scorn you. They fulfill themselves as you do not. Hate them for their pride and power. They will pity you for your shame and weakness."
(Beasts of Gor, page 11)



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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 2:33:59 PM   
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Thank you for the explanation, Mr. Koa.
I meant no offense and definitely did not mean to sound scornful of
the Gorean way. This is very new to me and against what I was taught thus
my question.
I admire the way the slaves are handling themselves & they are representing
their Master's very well (IMHO).

Respectfully,

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RE: To all those new to the Gorean forums..... - 12/29/2009 2:46:05 PM   
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Ooooooo sorry Mr. Ron, thank you too!

< Message edited by VirginPotty -- 12/29/2009 3:19:47 PM >


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