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Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/17/2006 1:28:41 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Okay here is one for the masses. A woman on Gor became a slave through the mastery and ownership by a Man, it is said she was released so to speak and her inhibitions of being a fully sexual completely free woman in her natural state of being emerged under a Master's whip and his mastery of her etc etc . Many times he collars a woman because she has no business being Free.

Lately there has been some topics on FW and male slaves. What i am trying to figure out is does a Free Woman who follows those principles and philosophies of Gor (i.e. is NOT a Domme, or Sadist, switch or any of those things), do they master their male slaves and utilize a male's slavery much as a Man does? Do they really want to master a Man? Do they really wish to dominate a Man? If they feel they do master the male slave, what do you feel, triumph, sexual gratification, sexual excitment, depressed, dispair, pride, a sense of accomplishment, disgust at him, disgust at yourself, a sense of meloncholy, joy, satisifaction etc etc??? I mean what does owning a male slave do for them? Are they trying to master a man when they see a male slave? Do they see it as some accomplishment and thumbing of noses so to speak at the Men who they cannot master nor who will enslave them? This is usually a side of Gor i try not to understand because everytime i try to lol it simply gets more confusing as to the motives of why a woman take on a male slave and what they feel in having a Man as a slave. If they do not have a Man so to speak outside of the male slave do they not at times get frustrated when he doesn't do as a Man does and be a dominant force within their lives in some fashion simply by being male? Does the FW feel that the male slave has no business being Free for whatever reason as sometime a Man does? Again this is regarding FW of Gor... NOT DOMMES, SADIST, PEOPLE WHO COMBINE GOR AND DOMME etc. This is strictly FW of Gorean mentality. If you say you are also a domme then the topic is moot becuase you probably would indeed feel at times like a Man does in regards to mastering a female who is his slave.

As you can tell by my questions lol this topic is way out of wack for me and it would be interesting to hear what others who understand Gor and live it, and identify with it (This is not a slight againt male slaves in any forum be it BDSM, D/s, S/m, or Gor. so please don't turn this into an indignant thread of whinging about acceptance). These are simply questions on the aspecy of Gor that i honestly never understood, maybe because i am slave, maybe because its simply a concept my mind won't wrap around in terms of Men, i don't know.

angel

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/17/2006 8:00:47 PM   
Nosathro


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A good question that it is true was never really discussed in the books. I do know that in the City of Ar, a Free Woman could not have sexual encounters with a male slave. In fact there was a type of male slave called "couch slave" who was used to entrap a Free Woman in that very situation and then being caught would be collared herself.

As I recall most of the male slaves on Gor were from the Prison Moon or convicted of some crime and enslaved. The male slaves were assigned hard labor, as Tarl did in Outlaw of Gor, he was sent to the silver mines. Free Women of Gor were generally viewed as being pure. That is why in some cities Robes of Concelment were worn not to mention some 4 plus veils.

It is my view that on Gor Free Women were not sexually active, that was the one freedom the kajira had. This often would be the source of conflict between the two. In some places on Gor a particular holiday allowed the kajira to have sex with anyone they wanted, no so the Free Woman. In fact I recall in Nomands the Free Women of an Alar camp killed all the slaves because they could not toleriate the kajira sexual freedom.

But again there is always an exception to the rule. The Panther Girls often kept captured males as slaves for sexual use, especially at the Full Moon Cermony.

I wish you well

Nosathro

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/17/2006 10:34:48 PM   
mons


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I am a fw but i am also a domme no not a sadist we are not all in to that type of pain, but you asked what is it we feel when we inslave a male?

I feel joy knowing that this strong man as bend to my will shiver at the sound of my voice. When i walk into the door he is like a puppy eyes shining so bright, he had a meal ready and waits until i eat to began his food.

he is train to know every part of me what brings me pleasure but not only that but my pleasure is his his sleep at the foot of my bed! When he does something wrong he know it is time for punishment and brings what i will teach he not to forget. there are many other things that happen is others lives! But this is just a small part



be well

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/18/2006 1:43:27 AM   
mons


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Oh i saw that this was for goreans only, i do say sorry but my word it just made me go yes now i can say what it like well not all of it but can women on her talk of sex, I am asking because my post was not right i think please would you tell. i enjoy coming her and i would never insult anyone i alread have and i lost someone kind i know respect is for all but it is alittle different i would want to follow that!

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/18/2006 4:18:19 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		hi mons,

grins, no worries mons, you have in no way insulted anyone. the reason i was asking Goreans was because i was asking about only Gorean FW, not the BDSM, D/s etc dominante woman or switches, or even a combination thereof, because i don't know much about Gorean FW and figure if people start replying as Dommes, etc i never would lol based on the Gorean aspect and would instead get their Domme replies. i realize that there are Domme's and sadists and such who enslave Men, and therefore, i would expect they get some kind of thrill from it that is gender based, that they do actually master for the sake of mastering as Men do. And i didn't want that understanding or motivation to be intermingled with what my actual question was which was strictly about Gorean FW, who live life as a Gorean mentality etc, not as she is free because she is a Domme type idea.

Let me ask you this, how do you view the enslavement of men and the joy you feel at his enslavement and the power you hold over him and your understanding of what it is and means to be a Gorean FW.

As i said, i don't know much regarding Gorean FW and i honestly didn't see much of an explanation regarding FW and male slaves and the motives and such in what i know of the books. and feelings etc.

angel

I know this doesn't make much sense lol, but its the best explanation i have.

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/18/2006 5:47:51 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Greetings MAster Nosathro:

Part of the reason i asked was because of the vaguness of a woman owning a Man and what their mentality and motivation was/is.... lol where with Men and female slaves is pretty clear. i think i am still confusing myself grins..

angel

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/18/2006 8:41:50 AM   
Nosathro


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greetings barelynangel

I think you did bring up a point. I somehow do not see John Norman making this aspect of Gor clear. In review I do not recall any of the Free Woman that were written about ever having a slave, that also goes for Elizabeth. I am sure this topice will be repeated again in another form again and again.

I wish you well

Nosathro

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/18/2006 7:36:28 PM   
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Why is it, you have these questions, obviously about me...but never address them to me...girl?

At any rate...just getting to this...so here goes.

If you beleive that your worth is entirely encased in your cunt...then I can understand your point. Because you would then naturally discern that my boy's worth was only in his cock. However, the cultivated service of a Gorean slave is certainly much more diverse.

The most beautiful parts of Gorean philosophy do not center themselves on sexuality at all. They center themselves on natural order, acceptance of one's rightful place in that order, and the happiness that can be found as a result by all those engaged in the endeavor.

To say that all men are Dominant over all females, is not only simplistic it is a scientific untruth. Throughout nature there are alpha and betas of every gender. Every pack mammal, which we as human beings belong to, have a heirarchal structure. A beta male is as natural as a beta female is. To look at him and say, oh he is unnatural because he is not alpha is rudementary. If every male was alpha, they would fight to the death...there would be only one alpha left and the species would die off. It simply does not work this way in nature. I suggest your read more of Lange/Norman's socioanthroplogical scientific journals and not just the Gorean Sci Fi fiction in which he dabbled his scientific theory.

So to answer your questions:

Do they really want to master a Man?

Assuredly not. I have a Man I submit to day in and out in everything I do. your continually questioning that is offensive to me.

Do they really wish to dominate a Man?

Again you are confusing a Dominant Man with a submissive male....they are two distinct things. If you think the only thing that makes a man a Gorean Master is his penis...you have an awful lot to learn about Gorean men.

[b]If they feel they do master the male slave, what do you feel, triumph, sexual gratification, sexual excitment, depressed, dispair, pride, a sense of accomplishment, disgust at him, disgust at yourself, a sense of meloncholy, joy, satisifaction etc etc???

Here, once again you seem to equate Gorean service purely to sex. If your entire service is sexual you couldn't possibly be much of a slave. Nor have you read very indepthly. On Gor there were several classes of slaves. And only a tiny percentage of them were kajira, or reserved for purely sexual service. And from the looks of most of the girls I have seen online few if any of them look to have been bred for their beauty and sexual prowess.

I mean what does owning a male slave do for them?


So...what does my boy do for Our house? he cleans, he cooks, he is a male presence in a house where the male presence is gone, due to exstensive deployment. he is not feminine, he is not gay, he is not prancing about in a French maid costume...nor is he languishing about on a sheets of silk. he is a service slave. his presence in our house allows me to finish my Masters degree, and continue to work 50-60 hours a week. Thus, I make more money, money which goes to my house...which in turn serves my FC...the Head of our house...it is my "best use." If your best use is laying around with your legs in the air...then hey, more power to whomever enslaves you. But who are you to tell my FC, the Head of our house...what my "best use" is?


Are they trying to master a man when they see a male slave? Do they see it as some accomplishment and thumbing of noses so to speak at the Men who they cannot master nor who will enslave them?

I would wager to guess I have physically served at the feet of more Gorean men, physically as in; within circle...in reality...then you have ever met. So my ability to please or submit to a Gorean man constantly being questioned is humorous at best.


This is usually a side of Gor i try not to understand because everytime i try to lol it simply gets more confusing as to the motives of why a woman take on a male slave and what they feel in having a Man as a slave. If they do not have a Man so to speak outside of the male slave do they not at times get frustrated when he doesn't do as a Man does and be a dominant force within their lives in some fashion simply by being male? Does the FW feel that the male slave has no business being Free for whatever reason as sometime a Man does?

One more time you are missing the finer point of Gor, which is accepting people for what they "are"...naturally. My boy is naturally, by birth a beta male. he could no more take care of himself or dominate anyone then you a beta female could. It is not in his nature. To say that all men are naturally alpha or that we should expect them all to be such really is derogatory to Dominant males. A true Dominant male is a rare sight of pure strength and power. Thinking every single human with a penis is one is the height of disrepsect for what They are.
Further, no my guidance and discipline of my boy does not bring out disgust in me or some maniacal feminazi state. Truly it is much more of a maternal response. I am sure I can no more explain it to you, than you can understand it.


I will admit, your constant questions on a side thread "about" me and my house and how we are living...are beginning to annoy the shit out of me.

As you continue to look for a house to serve, I wish you the best of luck and hope beyond hope you find a true Gorean male who can show You his worth is much more than His penis. And if you have found one already...I don't get on this board day in and out like most...then may you grow to learn that truly serving a Man's EVERY need, means just that His EVERY need. Stop focusing on the sex, this is not tantra, it's Gor.

Namaste,

Sabrina


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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/18/2006 8:45:21 PM   
unownedredhead


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Status: offline 		beta males are not unnatural and infact they are the best cuddlers in the world. I have personally found them to be very organic and sensual ....like me. Sometimes I like to go dancing and it is with beta males I have the most fun. Grin. beta males I have found are sensitive and open to exploring their thoughts and emotions. There can be an underlying competition between beta girls but...I find that this is not the case between beta girls and beta boys so all that stupidity can be thrown out the window and it is all good baby. grin.

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/19/2006 6:39:49 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Actually Sabrina lol though your recent statements were PART of it, Dread, and Mons have also stated they have or have held male slaves recently. Its not like the boards tend to have constant expression regarding FW and male slaves. so yes, when 3 women and another on another board brought up male slaves, i decided to post the questions. Sorry your delusions of grandure are just that delusions.


sighs the bloody natural order debate again which i think has over 10088327383 posts on this board alone on what it is and what it means and most tend to contradict others so though i appreciate your self-serving lesson here on natural order lol.. let's NOT go there and keep that topic within its own thread.

first of all, i am trying really really hard to see how my whole post implied i think female slavery is all about her cunt or your boys is all about his cock. But if you think slavery of a female to a Man of Gor is not about sexuality in any sense, then i can see why you and the Men decided you are better fit as a FW. What you fail to mention here sabrina is Goreans philosphy doesn't center around slavery either, yet there is a whole heck of a lot of description of a philosophy of slavery and women in slavery and there is a belief system regarding slaves. Its not a the ONLY philosophy since there are others, but it is ONE of them.

i don't remember saying anything NEGATIVE about male slaves however, if you wish lol i think there is a tone of disbelief when it comes to a woman wanting a male slave, i DON'T GET THEM, just as other people don't GET being slave to a Man, yet i don't take offense when someone asks very pointed questions from their perspectives and understandings. I find it interesting that you, a woman who wants to appear so secure in herself, would find my questions offensive at all. If you are going to defensive because people ask you about your slave, then maybe you shouldn't have one because you may not be ready for him just yet. You are new to the FW role.

If you noticed sabrina lol i WASN"T questioning a male slave to a Male Free or a female slave to a male or even a female slave to a Free woman. SO the questions was NOT regarding male slavery AT ALL. It was the FW i was questioning and THEIR enslavement of Men. So your lecture lol again trying to be condescending makes you look the fool becuase i don't have questions about ANYTHING other than FW and male slaves. i don't see anything unnatural with a Man being a slave. i am not questioning the MALE slave, i am asking about the FW. But you must have missed that point in your need to lecture and condescend lol.

You are one of the FEW women who call themselves FW, i know of, who have a man you submit to. But that has nothing to do with you wanting to master a man who is a slave. BIG difference between one you can't and one you have some semblance of power over because he is slave.

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Do they really wish to dominate a Man?

Again you are confusing a Dominant Man with a submissive male....they are two distinct things. If you think the only thing that makes a man a Gorean Master is his penis...you have an awful lot to learn about Gorean men.


okay, i have NO CLUE lol where you keep coming up with the sex idea here sabrina. Perhaps your mind is constantly on such an idea, but what does "dominate a Man" have to do with sex and dominating a male slave? Your answer here is incredible lol and perhaps YOU are the one who are trying to convince yourself something about sex. my question is just what it states.. dominate a Man. Only has something to do with sex if you want it to otherwise, to me dominating a Man is not necessarily sex related.

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b]If they feel they do master the male slave, what do you feel, triumph, sexual gratification, sexual excitment, depressed, dispair, pride, a sense of accomplishment, disgust at him, disgust at yourself, a sense of meloncholy, joy, satisifaction etc etc???

Here, once again you seem to equate Gorean service purely to sex. If your entire service is sexual you couldn't possibly be much of a slave. Nor have you read very indepthly. On Gor there were several classes of slaves. And only a tiny percentage of them were kajira, or reserved for purely sexual service. And from the looks of most of the girls I have seen online few if any of them look to have been bred for their beauty and sexual prowess.


falls over laughing, sabrina lol you have a one track mind lol. Actually my questions if you read it is about feelings of a completely NON SEXUAL manner exce[pt for 2 of them i believe lol and if you tell me a MAN never has a sexual reaction to a woman who is submissive to him... i will call you a fool. You said you were a slave right, shrugs, perhaps you didn't elicit any response sexually then, i don't know, only you know. let me see if i can help direct your mind AWAY from sex which it seems so focused on.

1) Do you feel triumph that you have taken a Man and made him submit to you in any way?
2) Dispair that you have power over a Man and he allows you to have it. (i.e. when Men use to be submissive towards me, strove to be pleasing to me in their actions (i.e. usually NOT sexual because my bf would have kicked their and my asses) because they wanted my attention when i was out or whatever, i did in fact feel dispair and disgust.
3) I would imagine there is some pride in peope when the master a person. Pride in themselves, in what they own, they have accomplished something etc. see Sabrina NON-SEXUAL lol. This is the same for sense of accomplshment and satisfaction
4) disgust at yourself is one i threw out there because on some level i believe if a woman is doing what she feels is expected of her and not what she really wants in having a male slave... her accomplishment may in fact cause a sense of disgust in herself.
5) Meloncholy came out as i know how it felt when i wasn't slave to basically allow men to submit to me, it did make a sense of meloncholy that as in what i expected was not that from a Man.

So sabrina i think you are protesting a little to much regarding this sex idea and in trying to make me seem like a sexfiend slave, when my post in no way focuses on sex, penis, cunts or cocks, makes me wonder if you are trying to hard to keep that part of being human and NATURAL out of your mentality. A female slave and her release of being female is very sexual in nature, its about being female, it is VERY sexual sabrina, that is part of what being female and woman is and it is NATURAL when with/around/or thinking about a MAN. I think you are trying too hard to leave the most natural part about being human out of the loop... (i.e we are sexual beings).

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I mean what does owning a male slave do for them?


So...what does my boy do for Our house? he cleans, he cooks, he is a male presence in a house where the male presence is gone, due to exstensive deployment. he is not feminine, he is not gay, he is not prancing about in a French maid costume...nor is he languishing about on a sheets of silk. he is a service slave. his presence in our house allows me to finish my Masters degree, and continue to work 50-60 hours a week. Thus, I make more money, money which goes to my house...which in turn serves my FC...the Head of our house...it is my "best use." If your best use is laying around with your legs in the air...then hey, more power to whomever enslaves you. But who are you to tell my FC, the Head of our house...what my "best use" is?


you know sabrina i actually was thinking at the beginning of this one that you finally started answering the (admitted) badly worded curiosity of mine regarding FW and male slaves. But i have to ask you... HOW lol was this sex again. Damn sabrina, do you ever think of nothing else? I don't remember asking anything about YOUR best use. Are you even reading the questions or are you so fixated on sex you can't see beyond that.

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Are they trying to master a man when they see a male slave? Do they see it as some accomplishment and thumbing of noses so to speak at the Men who they cannot master nor who will enslave them?

I would wager to guess I have physically served at the feet of more Gorean men, physically as in; within circle...in reality...then you have ever met. So my ability to please or submit to a Gorean man constantly being questioned is humorous at best.


Well seeing that you are a FW instead of a slave, men don't want to enslave or master you, honestly, only you know whether you are not happy with that or are happy with that. Some women could NOT want to be FW and are only doing so because the Men do not want to master her or enslave her for whatever reason and feel she is better off Free, this COULD bring about feelings of upsetness she takes out on the only male she can, a male slave. You are correct i have never been in "a circle" of Gorean Men, i am trying to see what that has to do with the question.


As to your final response, i do understand the beta male part but again this was not questions about general male slaves or such, it was more about THE Free Woman and their aspect of the whole thing.

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I will admit, your constant questions on a side thread "about" me and my house and how we are living...are beginning to annoy the shit out of me.


grins sabrina you REALLY need to step off your high horse before someone pushes you off. THIS THREAD WAS NOT ABOUT YOU SPECIFICALLY.. my gosh lol you really are full of yoursefl. Though some of your threads made me think of it, so did Dread when she spoke about having a male slave her parents gifted her with, so did another board i am a part of where a woman was talking about HER male slave. Please get off your superiority complex. i could careless if you are pissed off because of questions that i had regarding FW in general. You don't impress me sabrina, your condescending attitude, and your fixation on sex, is incredible lol.

If i wanted to ask you specifically sabrina i would have, just as i have asked personally some FW i know who are not on collar me. Funny, they laughed mostly saying they understood my confusions because i am a slave. They do not attribute FW to having to be condescending or witchy lol to somehow prove they are FW, which is why i do speak with them privately outside of the groups we are on. There are two i know of on collarme who post here who i see also in this sense. I have never seen her say a bitchy thing to anyone, they comes across in control, sure of themselves in what they are and why, and they have impressed me AND taught me something. I am hoping they both will find this thread (though badly worded because i was trying to ask about something i don't understand) interesting enough and my curiosity and wanting to understand (even if badly worded) to reply in their usual controlled informative way.

shakes her head.. i have yet to see how my post was all about SEX and a man's penis lol or thinking a Man who will master me is all about such. MY focus wasn't on SEX lol sabrina lol YOURS was. So maybe you need to take your own advise. But it was based on what happens to a woman when she becomes slave to a man and he masters her and owns her, vs it doesn't happen to a male slave from what i see. I was trying to figure out the FW mentality of male slaves....

Your assumption of WHY i am asking these questions and your "trying" to talk DOWN to me or imply that i think a woman's slavery is ALL about sex you are not talking to one of the "little ones" sabrina, i don't equate a title with intelligence of knowing all. My questions are ones that i know MANY people have but because most FW like to come across as witchs they are afraid to ask. So keep your condescending attitude to a minimum with me and you will probably earn my respect a little more AS a knowledgeable FW of Gor. If not, then i can ignore you as easily as other FW who think being a FW is all about being conescending

Your condescending attitude is offensive to me and sabrina your being a FW your implication wasn't a personal one about you but yes what you do is PART of the cataylst of questions i have had. I am not impressed, in awe, or anything of the sort so your acting is lost on me, but maybe some of the other women who are slave or recognize slave will bow and tremble before you in submission or maybe the Men will see you as SUCH the FW for your post here. shrugs, not my issue. Many Goreans don't HAVE slaves, i no way imply slavery is what makes a FW Gorean, but my questions are based on having a male slave. If you feel it is sooooo understandable, then good for you, but to me it is not.

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My boy is naturally, by birth a beta male. he could no more take care of himself or dominate anyone then you a beta female could. It is not in his nature


To me slavery is not about alpha or beta really, because i am an alpha person to some and beta to others. i will be owned (therefore beta to them) by those who are stronger than me (lol holds up a hand, before you spout your sex idea again sabrina, strength doesn't only mean physically, it also means yes sexually, AND mentally, and his will, his determination, his expectations etc etc) Sorry to deprive you of your sex defense sabrina, but i wanted to nip that one before you could spout it again. However, i am alpha to many people and beta to many as i said, and i observe this about many slaves. This is probably why i am not impressed with your trying to be badass attitude because that is what you think being a FW is. Most women i am not beta too. Most male slaves i am alpha too. But i don't think my mentality when i "accidently dominate" a male is the same as a FW's which is why these questions occurred to me.


lordy i know this is a long post everyone, i apologize but i couldn't figure out another way to reply but individually.


angel

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/19/2006 7:55:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		i have had 2 males slaves but not as a Gorean FW it was before i found Gor.(which is the reason i have not posted before this).

i have found there is a difference
'tween dominating a male and acting a brat.

be well all

*please, i hope no one takes offense, it is a fact and it is not aimed at anyone in particular)

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/19/2006 8:06:00 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		grins, oh sabrina, one thing i shoud clarify lol i am not ashamed, embarrased etc because of your accusations regarding your trying to call me a sex fiend, a nymphomaniac perhaps, a woman who loves sex, and loves being slave because it allows the release of that without the inhibitions of women who are not slave. Umm sabrina, when a man owns me, i am slave, sighs and pinches her cheeks red to feign embarrassment, yes sabrina you caught me, i am outted to the world.. hand to forehead, i am soo moooortified... i have no control, no dignity, no inhibitions ....

YES YES YES I AM SEXUAL, I LOVE SEX, I LOVE BEING USED AND RAPED BY A MAN WHO OWNS ME, I WILL BEG FOR SEX FROM THE MAN WHO OWNS ME, I WILL WHITHER AT HIS FEET, CRY, BEG, DO ANYTHING FOR HIS USE, I THRIVE IN BEING SEXUAL AND I LOVE FEELING SEXUAL, I LOVE MAKING MEN RESPOND TO ME SEXUALLY, I LOVE DANCING AND CRYING OUT TO BE USED AS A SLAVE FOR HIS PLEASURE, I LOVE BEING THROWN DOWN AND RIDDEN HARD, I LOVE BEGGING AS HE USES ME TENDERLY, I LOVE BEING USED UNTIL I CRY FOR MERCY FROM THE MAN WHO MASTERS ME, I LOVE SEXUAL MASTERY OF A MAN, I WILL BE A SEXUAL AS HE ALLOWS ME TO BE, ETC ETC ETC....

grins and shakes her head.. sabrina you say sex and female slaves like it is such a bad thing. Shame on you.

laughs at you, sorry sabrina there isn't a FW in the world who can make me feel shame, embarrassment or anything but pride, naturalness, and expectedness of sexuality and sex, and everything sexual as slave because shrugs, that's what Masters tend to do to me as a lowly female slave who has no self-control.

i only feel pity for a woman who was once slave and who says now as a FW that slavery is not about a woman's sexuality and the natural idea of being a sexual being, being woman.

okay, i am off with my sex fiend self lol to enjoy my sunday.

angel

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/19/2006 8:16:05 AM   
fyreredsub


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but to reiterate something now after seeing this....

there is so much more to being a slave than being able to be dominated in the furs.

shakes head....not judging or complaining..........

b/c yes having a Master use one in the furs is a wonderous thing....

but truly

i am almost amazed and i have done my share of unslavelike thoughts/behavior on the boards

oh well a post to learn from.............



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quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel

grins, oh sabrina, one thing i shoud clarify lol i am not ashamed, embarrased etc because of your accusations regarding your trying to call me a sex fiend, a nymphomaniac perhaps, a woman who loves sex, and loves being slave because it allows the release of that without the inhibitions of women who are not slave. Umm sabrina, when a man owns me, i am slave, sighs and pinches her cheeks red to feign embarrassment, yes sabrina you caught me, i am outted to the world.. hand to forehead, i am soo moooortified... i have no control, no dignity, no inhibitions ....

YES YES YES I AM SEXUAL, I LOVE SEX, I LOVE BEING USED AND RAPED BY A MAN WHO OWNS ME, I WILL BEG FOR SEX FROM THE MAN WHO OWNS ME, I WILL WHITHER AT HIS FEET, CRY, BEG, DO ANYTHING FOR HIS USE, I THRIVE IN BEING SEXUAL AND I LOVE FEELING SEXUAL, I LOVE MAKING MEN RESPOND TO ME SEXUALLY, I LOVE BEING THROWN DOWN AND RIDDEN HARD, I LOVE BEING USED UNTIL I CRY FOR MERCY FROM THE MAN WHO MASTERS ME, I LOVE SEXUAL MASTERY OF A MAN, I WILL BE A SEXUAL AS HE ALLOWS ME TO BE, ETC ETC ETC....

grins and shakes her head.. sabrina you say sex and female slaves like it is such a bad thing. Shame on you.

laughs at you, sorry sabrina there isn't a FW in the world who can make me feel shame, embarrassment or anything but pride, naturalness, and expectedness of sexuality and sex, and everything sexual as slave because shrugs, that's what Masters tend to do to me as a lowly female slave who has no self-control.

i only feel pity for a woman who was once slave and who says now as a FW that slavery is not about a woman's sexuality and the natural idea of being a sexual being, being woman.

okay, i am off with my sex fiend self lol to enjoy my sunday.

angel



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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/19/2006 8:30:31 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		You know fyre, perhaps this should be opened up to those women who are Gorean but also domme etc or use to be etc and found Gor etc and such... perhaps it will bring all the debates of what FW are and are not as well as explaining a little more of their mentality when it comes to male slaves and owning Men. I thought it would be easier to first understand Gorean FW mentality and then incorporate other aspects of what could transpire, Domme, Sadist, etc.


You are completely right in the idea of dominating and acting as a brat:

i was manythings, i was a brat to some, a princess to others, and then there were the men who you can tell by the look in their eyes, the actions towards me, how they took my requests or demands, anything i said, wanted, desired, needed.. i don't know how to explain it --but it was those men i had issue with... more so than the others. And i was shameless in the way i did step into the role of taking control with them. It didn't make me feel good, it didn't bring me pleasure, i didn't identify it as dominating but i knew i didn't like their reactions. it didn't make me feel right, even if i did dominate them so to speak, so i felt disgust that they would allow me to do that. I felt disgust that i was able to do that to them. i would have rather them reacted to the brattiness, to the princess, to the bitch.. (laughs geesh i had a lot of persona's depending who i was with), then to have that look in their eyes.

Grins, but it is the Men who won't allow any of those aspects of my personality to come to pass with them while i am in their control, for the biggest reason 1) they don't see it in me as natural, and 2) they know how edgy and unbalanced it makes me. The brat never really tried to dominate, she just wanted her way, she tended to demand. The princess didn't try to dominate, she simply wanted to be doted upon and requested with a pretty smile and a tease, the Bitch simply wanted to be left alone lol, i don't have a name for what happened between me and the guys i speak of above, all i know is i hated it because it made me feel empty.

angel


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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/19/2006 8:38:36 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		ahh fyre, did i say that was ALLL slave was. No.

But i am so sick of people acting like sex, sexuality etc etc is such a BAD focus in being slave. Hell MOST men i know are sexual. Why wouldn't they want a slave who was inhibited in her slavery sexual and shook her finger going, "MAAASTER, sex is a bad thing and shouldn't be discussed as part of slavery." That is ridiculous.

People talk about being natural -- SEX IS NATURAL, so is sexuality. Its not something to be hidden in a slave or shoved in a corner like we are in todays society and there is a fight between open sexuality and not being sexual. This is GOR. Its natural to be sexual. Why do people imply its not part of slavery, when in all actuality...

But i am not ashamed of it, i am not embarrassed by it. I won't hide that part of me as its something to be so because i was slavea nd now recognize slave. It may not be all there is but its IS a part of it.

i think i am going to start another thread about this..

angel

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/19/2006 8:45:09 AM   
fyreredsub


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Status: offline 		i agree the focus of kajira is being able to be freed in their inhibations as opposed to earth girls not being so.
but just b/c a man can dominate me in the bedroom doesn't mean he can keep me on my knees in other parts of the house,lol.
it takes a mentally strong man to keep me on my knees in All aspects of service as a slave.

edited to ad,
thanks for not being offended by my thoughts.

< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 3/19/2006 8:55:54 AM >

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/19/2006 8:51:34 AM   
fyreredsub


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Status: offline 		i can relate to the different female roles in relationships.
i've been a brat fighting her belly and sopcietal cognitive schemas before i could accept in fact i am a slave and need to be mastered and controlled tightly in order to be at my best as a woman.
i have been the 'kiss my ass' princess. which was totally self serving. i was more of a bitch then than when i was a Domme.
i have been a Domme which i found myself totally unfullfilled and unhappy in that role not to say i wouldn't top others under masters direction,lol.
but i understand totally the emptiness that alot of these relationships left me having.
i am happiest on my knees under a strong honorable master.
to think of going back to any other way of life(shudders) besides slave well the thought scares me.
i hate being free and in control.

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/19/2006 9:11:45 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		smiles.. i wasn't.. i did start another thread on sex and Goreans about the concept.. grins i think its time it gets hashed out lol cause i always hear people say that lol and maybe it will allow some understanding of how they see that as such....

i was irritated by the implication regarding sex earlier which lead to my post showing that i am not ashamed of being sexual loving sex etc like it was implied should be the case.

Its something along the years i hear every now and again the negative connotations to sex, regarding slavery and sexual idea etc, and it flabbergasts me and as one of my co-workers loves to say -- boggles the mind.

smiles, i am glad you didn't take my posts to you as an attack, i was afraid my earlier irritation may have gotten transfered in my reply to you.

angel

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/19/2006 4:53:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		greetings to All

first, what i have to say is "by the books". i cannot speak as much on "real life" issues in this case because A. i'm a slave, not a Free Woman, and B. most of the male slaves i have known have pretty much been nothing but subby brats. i have known, in my 10 years on Gor, maybe 3 male slaves who were worth the powder and ball to shoot them with.

now, as far as what the books have to say, the couching laws of Ar related only to a Free Woman having sex with a male slave She did not own! there was no prohibition against Her having all the sex She wanted with male slaves She owned, in the privacy of Her Home.

secondly, if you read "Fighting Slave of Gor" carefully, there is actually a lot said about the relationships between Free Women and Their male slaves. There is even a scene where Jason's Owner has a long discussion with 3 female Slavers and displays Her slaves, including Jason, for them.

it is true that John Norman doesn't say a lot about the relationship between Free Women and male slaves, but He does say some things about it, from which other things could possibly be inferred.

my own Mistress does not at this time have any male slaves, though i gather She has in the past. my feeling is they were not successful relationships, though it is not my business to inquire as to details. i also get the feeling they were worse "subby brats" than a female slave can ever be. i do know the male slaves i have seen on-line seem to feel that the fact they can sexually attract a Free Woman means they can control Her. not that female slaves don't sometimes feel the same way about their Master, just that it appears to me that the male ones tend to raise it to an art form.

at any rate, i too would be interested to know if the relationship between Free Women and Their male slaves is any different than between Free Men and Their female slaves.

respectfully submitted,

lita {Tshai}

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RE: Women mastering??? -- FOR GOREANS - 3/20/2006 12:11:16 PM   
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you said: Your assumption of WHY i am asking these questions and your "trying" to talk DOWN to me

This is about all I have to comment on.

Which is simply...a) you have incredibly too much time on your hands...to post so much here.  b) I had several people read your original post...every last one of them beleives to this very minute your initial post was insolent, berating toward FW, and had an arrogant tone most unbecoming a slave of either sex.  Moreover, the implication throughout your post was how do FW feel dominating males.  And you specifically had innuendo at every turn about sexuality. c) I find you mildly annoying, certainly not worth spending what must have been damn near all day online to respond to, as you did me.

Now...back to the quote...you're a girl.  A girl.  Is this how you have been instructed to speak to the Free?  Rudely, arrogantly, maliciously?  How very UNPLEASING you are.

Let's hope a man finds you soon to bridle that vicious lil tongue.  None of the men I know would tolerate you, and were you here, I certainly would make you think twice before being such an insolent ass.  It is completely understandable to me why you can not understand the place of a boy, you can't even understand your own place...if you beleive as a Gorean slave you have the rite to speak to me that way. 

I have work, you may throw your temper fit now in my absence. 

Sabrina

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