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Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 8:59:01 AM   
barelynangel


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okay, many times many many times there seems to be a "inhibited" notion among goreans and such about sex, sexuality, etc etc etc and female slavery. And what confuses the heck out of me is the talk about naturalness that Goreans have and then in the next breath lol they say slavery is not about sex; sex which to me encompasses physical sex, being sexual and sexuality etc. Was not the mentality about being sexual and sexuality a BIG BIG comparision between a FW and a slave in that a slave was not inhibited as the FW were to hide their sexuality and such? So why does this concept come across at times from people who profess Gorean. I mean if all you believe sex is the actual act of penis into vagina then okay fine i can SEE why you say sex isn't what being a slave is all about.. but damn if that is all you see as being sex, i would say you as a male or female really need to learn a whole hell of a lot as to what sex is. That is not derogatory but said in absolutely painfulness fear that someone actually thinking that is all sex is (man stick woman with penis in one of her holes, grunt grunt, pull out done, turn over and snores).

From Dictionary.com
sex ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sks)n.
....The condition or character of being female or male; the physiological, functional, and psychological differences that distinguish the female and the male. See Usage Note at gender. The sexual urge or instinct as it manifests itself in behavior.
Sexual intercourse.

sex·u·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sksh-l)adj.
Of, relating to, involving, or characteristic of sex, sexuality, the sexes, or the sex organs and their functions. Implying or symbolizing erotic desires or activity.

Sexuality n.
The condition of being characterized and distinguished by sex. Concern with or interest in sexual activity. Sexual character or potency.


Do some people really believe that the naturalness in sex, sexual and sexuality of a female slave when she is mastered and owned is something to be downplayed in the apect of female slavery, or try and eliminate it as being some kind of eww effect in relation to female slavery. Female slaves ARE sexual and they thrive within their sexuality to me its part of what makes them mastered and owned, effectively and especially within the gorean concept. If this did not then why the heck would a FW have the threat of being enslaved if she acted sexually or as many called it, acted as slave? i really think this is something that is completely misconstrued about this whole idea. A female woman who is mastered and enslaved cannot help but be fully and completely uninhibited to her basic natural desires and needs, sexual is a big part of human nature. I am not talking about constant SEX (the act as described above), there is a difference. i am talking about nature and reactions and actions of females slaves when they are around dominant men especially ones who own them.

Is it not contradictory to talk of natural in aspect of Gorean and then to say female slavery of a woman to a Gorean man is not about sex. i am incredulous when hearing this implication about female slavery to Gorean Men. Yes i know everything a slave does is NOT about the act of sex, but that doesn't negate one of the most noticeable thing about women who are female slaves when they are mastered and owned. Are not Gorean Men sexual beings in just being Men, do they not make a woman tremble in need, desire, fear and that lil wriggly feeling in her belly of sexual response? SEX, Sexuality, sexual is natural in these Men, why wouldn't it be especially so an expectation for a match in the women they master and own? Is that not sex?

Female slaves when owned and mastered are completely utterly beautiful completely sexual beings and even if they are taking out smelly trash to please their master, that sexuality and sexual nature doesn't just become moot. Its not taken out and shoved away; its a part of her, a part that usually shines through, she is not afraid of being sexual or her own sexuality. It is NATURAL for her, its what slavery has taught her, its what her Master's whip has pulled from her, she has no dignity, she has no control with him, she is uninhibited within herself and her Master and it shows.

This is how i see sex, sexual, and sexuality in terms of a gorean female slave, i believe it is a HUGE HUGE HUGE part of being enslaved by a Man, i think it is one of the main part of being a female slave to a Man, being natural in your needs, desires toward the Man. Whether you are a kitchen slave or not, as a slave who has been mastered and who is owned, you cannot hide anything from that Man, not even your reaction as a female to him as a male, and the continual acknowledgment of that need and desire as you go about your day.

I am curious to see just how other people view this idea that female slavery is not about sex (all it encompasses) and more importantly why their views are Gorean in their understanding in regard to female slavery. i am also interested in hearing from people who see female slavery as sexual in nature and a full blown out acceptance of sexuality of a woman who is mastered and owned.

I don't believe Goreans are prudes in nature, i believe they are natural beings.. so let's talk about sex baby! Damn another long one, sorry.

angel

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 11:29:55 AM   
fyreredsub


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but hell yeah
i'm a slut

but when serving Master i am also in his control regarding everything about me and my life and what he wants for me/us/him within the M/s dynamic ,be it ironong his pants or cooking his meal, or service in the furs.

in regards to the books, i'll get quotes later

yes, you have it right,iin the books,
FW didn't like slaves b/c slaves were allowed no inhibitions with their masters and a free woman wasn't to be sexually free b/c then it was easier for her to be collared and they didnt want that.(one of the books, i forgot,the free woman had to wear oodles of clothes).

and kajira were expected to give up those inhibitations,whereas earth girls didnt know how or have that expectation until collared.

their also is a difference )on earth) tween a free woman and a free companion but perhaps some masters or free can explain that better than me.

i think a free woman was brought up to be free in a gorean home
whereas a free companion was a slave to their master only but free in regards to all else about the home/business affairs.
more power than an alpha slave,so to speak.
ciao people

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 11:44:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		"This harsh treatment, incidentally, when she is thought to deserve it, may even be inflicted on a free companion, in spite of the fact that she is free and usually much loved. According to the Gorean way of looking at things a taste of the slave ring is thought to be occasionally beneficial to all women, even the exalted free woman. Thus when she has been irritable or otherwise troublesome even a Free Companion may find herself at the foot of the couch looking forward to a pleasant night on the stones, stripped, with neither mat nor blanket, chained to the slave ring precisely as though she were a lowly slave girl. It is the Gorean way of reminding her, should she need to be reminded, that she, too, is a woman, and thus to be dominated, to be subject to men. Should she be tempted to forget this basic fact of Gorean life the slave ring set in the bottom of each Gorean couch is there to refresh her memory. Gor is a mans world."

Page 67 - Priest Kings of Gor


"There seem to be two major reasons why free women are seldom raped on Gor. first, it is thought that they, being free, are to be accorded the highest respect, and secondly, slave females are regarded as being much more desirable." Page 184 - Guardsman of Gor



Goreans, in their simplistic fashion, often contend, categorically, that man is naturally free and woman is naturally slave. But even for them the issues are far more complex than these simple formulations would suggest. For example, there is no higher person, nor one more respected, than the Gorean free woman. Goreans do believe, however, that every woman has a natural master or set of masters, with respect to whom she could not help but be a complete and passionate slave girl. These men occur in her dreams and fantasies. She lives in terror that she might meet one in real life."

Page 311 - Hunters of Gor

"Free women, incidentally, among the Wagon Peoples are not permitted to wear silk: it is claimed by those of the Wagons, delightfully I think, that any women who loves the feel of silk on her body is, in the secrecy of her heart and blood , a slave girl, whether or not some master has yet forced her to don the collar."

Page 58 - Nomads of Gor


"The principle he had alluded to pertains to conduct in a free woman which is taken as sufficient to warrant her reduction to slavery. The most common application of this principle occurs in areas such as fraud or theft. Other applications may occur, for example, in cases of indigence and vagrancy. Prostitution, rare on Gor because of female slaves, is another case. The women are taken, enslaved, cleaned up and controlled. Indulgence in sensual dance is another case. Sensuous dance is almost always performed by slaves on Gor. A free woman who performs such dancing publicly is almost begging for the collar. In some cities the sentence of bondage is mandatory for such a woman."

Page 372 - Renegades of Gor


"Any free woman who couches with another's slave or readies for such, becomes, by law, herself a slave and the property of said slaves owner."

Page 7 - Magicians of Gor

You were not struck for such and absurd reason," I said, "You are, after all a free woman, and free women are entitled to insult, and attempt to demean and destroy men. It is one of their freedoms, unless men, of course, should decide to take it from them. You were struck rather, because you were attempting to manipulate me." She nodded, putting her head down."

Page 422 - Mercenaries of Gor

"Slave girls fear free women muchly. It is almost as if there was some unspoken war between them, almost as if they might be mortal enemies. In such a war, or such an enmity, of course, the slave girl is completely at the mercy of the free person; she is only slave. One of the great fears of a slave girl is that she will be sold to a woman. Free women treat their female slaves with incredible hatred and cruelty. Why this is I do not know. Some say it is because they, the free women, envy the girls their collars and wish that they, too, were collared, and at the complete mercy of masters."

Page 154 - Marauders of Gor


hope this answers some of your questions angel

okay now i can toodle off,lol




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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 12:30:56 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		lol actually fyre, i wasn't necessarily speaking of the books but how people interpret what they say, whle i love quotes, it really wasn't a quote type of question, as it seems people are interpreting different ideas of what beliefs are pulled while reading. i was looking for more of discussion of personal interpretations and why they the people who consider themselves Gorean who believe this, think this. Have you ever met a female slave who has been owned for a bit, master by a Gorean Man that there isn't an aura of sexuality about her? i haven't. (before the non-goreans bite lol i am specifiying Goraen because its a Gorean forum, i have seen slaves who are completely owned by men who are also the essence of sexual aura, lol even when she had a cying baby on one hip, throw up from the baby over her and hadn't slept in 2 days and her master was at work). a female slave cannot have that aura if her slavery has nothing to do with sex. Sex was a part of her, it shows, it glows, it is there for all to see all the time, even when she doesn't feel like it because its simply her.

its not about FW thinking only question. grins if it was lol i would have just brushed it off.
I have seen slaves occassionally imply it, and on very rare occassions i have seen Men state it.

Thanks for your efforts with the quotes.
angel

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 12:40:54 PM   
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i did post more than quotes but i guess i was still off base with what you were asking.
*shrugs*
toodles off again

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 12:46:15 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		i missed your first post fyre.. and just saw the quotes one. sorry..

laughs and wonders if fyre is dealing with the effects of irish weekend with her toodling and shrugging. I hope you had a happy celebration day.

angel



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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 3:02:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Goreans, slavery and sex. An intersting topic.

The reason why a Gorean man can talk about natual order and then turn around and say slavery is not about sex is because the natural order is not about sex. At least not for the Gorean man. It's about the Man naturally being dominant over the woman. It is about sex for the woman because slavery frees the woman to be the naturally sensual creature she is. It frees her from the bindings that society today has forced her into.

The Gorean man, on the other hand, is not a sensual creature. He is a creature of practicality. He enslaves that woman for two reasons, one being that it pleases him to do so. Two being that he sees the sensual creature inside of the woman that yearns to be released and can only be released by a mans masculinity. Society today has taken masucinity away from men, there-by making him leadable by the primal nature of his sex drive. This is part of what seperates the Gorean man from other men. The Gorean man is not lead around by his dick.

This is why Gorean men can say the slavery is not about sex.

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 3:10:41 PM   
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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 3:11:55 PM   
lisaSea


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Status: offline 		Wow, angel you do come up with the questions..and I thought I was curious.

Ok, my response is not gonna win me any friends, but I disagree, with just about everything.

In my opinion, (and 9 or so years serving and socializing with Goreans), it is ALL about pleasing the free. If that includes sexual usage, wonderful! If not, oh well, the focus is not about me, or what I want or crave.

I have to say, that if I am asked the difference between BDSM and this life we live, I normally use what you said angel as the example for BDSM, in which the entire premise is geared towards sexual gratification. Not all Gorean men use sex as a training tool. Sex is sex, when they want it, they want it, when they don't, they dont. There are lots of times (not just myself, but others in our circle of friends), when the slave will beg for usage and for whatever reason, it doesn't happen. Family issues, kids, work, you name it, any one of a million reasons. Then what? Does your slaveyness (new word here) fly out the window because you are not allowed your sexual freedom?

In reading much of what you write, I see alot of "I want" kind of statements, what you will and won't tolerate, what you demand from a man, etc. You are a slut, (most of us are), you want to be taken, used roughly, etc., ok....and if your not? Can you still remain pleasing and attentive to his needs if he doesn't play by your rules?

That is what serving a gorean man is all about, (not talking about online or the every once in awhile weekend of slap and tickle), but the daily grind, week in and week out...never ending, grit your teeth and smile kinda stuff. A good roll in the hay is just that, I don't think it can be confused with actual surrender of one's entire being to another.


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This is how i see sex, sexual, and sexuality in terms of a gorean female slave, i believe it is a HUGE HUGE HUGE part of being enslaved by a Man, i think it is one of the main part of being a female slave to a Man, being natural in your needs, desires toward the Man.


Hun, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I think you are putting far too much emphasis on the use of sex. Perhaps after you have some time under your belt, with that man you seek, you will understand that while freedom to be a sensual woman is a part of this, it is truly only a bit-part, not the leading role. I say this after being in the company of Gorean men, of all ages, backgrounds and interests.


Just my two cents on the topic. I pray no free are offended by my words, I have tried to phrase them accordingly.

lisa{Sea's}

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 4:51:48 PM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		See lisa this is where you and i differ in mentalities.. to me slavery is about a woman being mastered and owned and the emotions and such she feels is a product of that mastery, to you its about serving, and the Man has nothing to do with it. A female slave is sexual being.. it flows through her no matter WHAT she is doing, danny got into drugs, it doesn't just disappear, it may be slightly covered by other emotions but its still there ready to be noticed again soon. Part of the control a Man has of her IS that she is not in control of even her baser instincts like that of sexual nature. If a woman does not feel this then to me she simply controls herself and her basic desires.

Just because i am not expounding on the other things slavery is.. we do that enough.. let's expound on what sex, sexual and sexuality IS in a female slave.. SEX people lol its not a bad word. Its not the monster in the closet. Its sexuality its beautiful, its natural, its what a female slave is, the essence of sexuality.

Lisa i never said a man uses female sexuality as a tool. It is a product usually of a Man mastering a woman. Gor is all about sexuality and women. You say its the tip of the iceberg.. no, its a big part of the iceberg its a part no one really wants to talk about because it should not be spoken about, its a hush hush idea. or else we will be seen like those "bad" people in THAT house over there. Because of a females sexuality and what she learns within being mastered... her self confidence, her submission and surrender, her understanding of her femininity and being slave is that much more powerful in nature. sex is not something small and inconspicuous. Sex is a part of every human being. Its something we start realizing though unconsciously from birth. ITS NATURAL. Even with kids and family and everything else you listed, all of these excuses are why so many people repress sex. Look around you, sex is natural, sexuality is natural. Hell everytime a slave serves her master there is an undercurrent of sex and sexuality.

Sex is not just about the act lisa, that is what i am trying to explain. Sex can be in how you pour your masters drink, how you greet him with the tonation of your voice, how you walk, how you look at him, the look in your eye, the look in his. Sex is communication. Sex is in a smile, in a touch, in a word, or just a whisper of breath. Sex is serving him, sex is pleasing him. Why do women try and look good for their masters, why do they try and look as he likes, why do they kneel a certain way, why do they bare parts of their body for him... laughs, sex is not a bad thing, sexuality is natural. What do you think being pleasing is.... you don't think the Men have sexual responses to a beautiful submissive woman who they own? You don't think Men have sexual reactions to all of the above with a slave. ITS NOT A BAD THING. Hell i would be worried if i didn't do that when serving him. Sex sexuality and sexual are NATURAL.

Who gives a crap if we as Goreans overlap some ideas of BDSM, we have enough people who cry oh we are not that different etc etc etc.... yet when it comes to sex, ohhh no we are nothing like them, sex? How dare you imply such a thing about Goreans. Come on... i think we should revel in the fact that Gorean mastery of a woman allows the release of the sexual woman repressed within. Why are Goreans so afraid of this idea, to admit that yes, they have the basic natural concept of sex, sexuality, sexual.

What you don't get lisa, in serving my Master, i received sexual gratification, i received sexual excitement, i was sexual, whether or not i got to cum, that was a totally different matter. Whether he used me was his preference not mine. To be honest lisa, try being a slave in sexual need, who has been played with and sent to a vibrating nerveendings, only to watch your Master take someone else to use for his pleasure. Do not talk to me about the "i want" attitude in being slave. lol

when i served my Master my sexuality as woman shown through. lol what are you saying, you don't receive gratification from serving your Master. I will say you are wrong lisa. That is why you do. All slaves do. They receive gratification from serving because it is a product of mastery. Just because its sexual doesn't make it wrong. A man being pleased with me or saying good girl or whatever can send my body into a tailspin of sexual energy. Are you telling me yours' doesn't. So explain to me lisa... what do you receive when pleasing your Master? What do you call the feelings inside of you? The response in your body. What do you get the good girl feelings of being pleased your master is pleased with you? geesh lisa you have such an i want attitude for finding pleasure in serving your Master. Do you see how your implications are wrong now? If you tell me that gratification of any kind when serving a Master is wrong in a slave, i will tell you that you are lying to yourself. Unless you are a robot with no feelings when you serve your Master. Just because mine and many slaves happen to find sexual gratification of sexual feelings encompass them when serving their master doesn't mean they are wrong, and your feelinsg of gratification outside of sexual are okay. gratification is gratification.

Even when you are completely pissed off and doing the teeth gritting stuff are you telling me you feel nothing for the Man you are serving sexually? Are you telling me that your Master has no power over you sexually? That being a slave has no bearing on your sexuality and being sexual and feeling sex? I am sorry but you are missing out on a whole heck of a lot.

You speak of what i remember happening when i was owned, and what i see happening in other women who are slaves saying that it is an "i want" attitude. I fail to see how this is. You never begged your Master to use to, you never begged your master to play with you, to stroke you, to feel his hands on you? You never try and seduce your Master or turn him on? You never smiles that smile or had that hot look in your eye in a crowded room, hoping he will see your need and drive you crazy? Geesh i really must be screwed up because one thing that happened every time i served him, (when he was there mind you) no laundry doesn't turn me on lol, but in his presense i was the most sexual being that sometimes it scared me. i couldn't help myself.. i felt it thrumming through me. He was my Master. i had boyfriends in the past and even when i first met him i didn't feel that force, but once he began mastering me and when i was owned, i was naturally sexual with him. Since when is wanting something as a slave an "i want" attitude. Slaves always want something, its not wrong, its being human. Whether the Master grants her wants is what counts.

Sorry lisa, your ideas are your ideas, but sex is a part of being a female slave who has been mastered. Sex is as natural as being human. The ACT of sex is not all there is to sex.

grins, if being an uncontrolled sexual being because of his mastery of me, if having my body thrum in response just by his presence, walking down the street and feeling my collar suddenly causes my insides to melt, having a little extra something that makes Men sit up and notice, serving him as the natural sexual being i was since his mastery is having an "i want," then you know what, i have that "i want" mentality. But i wouldn't give it up for anything, because if a Man doesn't wish me to be natural to him once he has mastered me, then he needs to control that not me, i cannot control a natural instinct and response in myself because of his mastery...

Goreans are not prudes, i have the hardest time understanding why they are letting BDSM control how they view something as natural as sex in a female slave as not being a big part of what slave is.

i am not offended lisa, i am just saddened that people want to repress something so natural as sex within a philosophy that is all about nature and what is natural between Men and women.

angel



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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 5:13:12 PM   
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In general.

I don't get the involute and incessant introspection...........AT ALL. Period. Probably just me.

When a daughter was young, the noise was joyful in the household, now; some here may think me speaking as a woman, but if the bookshelf fell on her and I heard a large thump followed by a come from hell screaming........it is as it should be... Thank god, she is alive. The noise of life is necessary. I could be sitting in one room, having an earnest conversation about anything, even suicide with a friend, the noise of life in the background (music to my ears, life is in existance)..........it grows still....sure enough......silence is trouble.

So, for me (and only for me, perhaps) I don't care and you don't care about this and I call it birds babbling at the brook.

I do so love to hear the songs, I do not understand or care to learn the melodies.........

However, I do know I do not care to hear BlueJays. It demeans all the other voices.

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 5:41:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't believe Gorean slavery is all about sex. I don't believe it is not about sex.

I believe that it is all encompassing. It includes areas where there are strong, sexual nuances. It also encompasses an area which says "Your focus as a slave is to please your man, regardless of the manner in which he wishes it done."

On one extreme side, you see the slave - writhing, moaning, petals glistening (LOL), all aflame for her owner at every moment. She practically reaches orgasm while fetching coffee.

On the other extreme side, you see the slave - trudging through her slavery with nothing on her mind except service. She is there to obey commands, clean, cook, etc.

In the middle (which is where I believe the truth lies) you see a slavegirl who understands that her service to her man (and to whomever he chooses) is all-encompassing. It will be what he desires and she must bend (sometimes near to breaking) to see that his desires are met - sexual or not. When mastered well by a strong man, she will (throughout the bending and blossoming) become a more sensual, sexual creature but sex will never be her central focus nor will it be the central focus of the relationship. Her owner and his pleasure will be her focus. The sensuality will be a natural bi-product of being mastered.

In all things there should be balance. I know in my life with my owner, my service to him encompasses everything from hot, steamy, unbridled sex to simply providing a convenient orifice for his release. It encompasses everything from laying out his clothes each day to scrubbing the toilet and changing the litter box. *grin* Not much sexuality in that!

The concept of Gorean slavery (and lifestyle slavery in general) has never been primarily about sex to me but sexuality has always been a strong undercurrent that runs throughout the concept of the woman, enslaved by a strong man, learning more every day about being unashamedly female.

Just my 2 pesos :)

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 5:50:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		gosh allyc and lisa,
ya'll write so much better than i.
thank you.
you encompassed so much more in the feelings
that i am to new too,
to describe properly.

okay way to many toos for me.

off to watch the sopranos

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 6:11:24 PM   
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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 6:22:12 PM   
allyC


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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Two pesos well spent, ally. Well said.


Thank you, Master. :)

and thanks fyre!

Well wishes,

Cav's ally

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 6:27:22 PM   
lisaSea


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See lisa this is where you and i differ in mentalities.. to me slavery is about a woman being mastered and owned and the emotions and such she feels is a product of that mastery, to you its about serving, and the Man has nothing to do with it


Hiya angel,

Yes we differ, not that it's a bad thing, lol The post by ally said it all so beautifully, there is nothing more I can add...except to comment on the above statement.

I assure you, the man has everything to do with it, lol You will never understand, or I am starting to think that anyway...my views. Being mastered is a total experience, not simply what happens between Master and myself sexually. With or without the sex, he is the one that pushes my bottons and controls the strings. I never implied sex was bad, evil or something to be swept under the rug...but on the other side it is not my motivation to see him pleased.

That, is where we seem to be crossing wires.

I defer to ally's post, for the rest.

Wishing you well,

lisa{Sea's}

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 7:23:49 PM   
LoupdeMontagne


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Goreans are not prudes, i have the hardest time understanding why they are letting BDSM control how they view something as natural as sex in a female slave as not being a big part of what slave is.


Do not generalize in this fashion, angel. I find it highly offensive. I resent being labelled in a herd mentality.

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 7:32:36 PM   
barelynangel


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Well lol, I never said the mastery of a woman was all about what happens between a Master and slave sexually. In all actuality lol i wasn't speaking of the act of sex. But more as ally put it in her last paragraph, to me that is sex. i never said mastery wasn't all encompassing. Your implication i see it as all about sex here is wrong. This thread is not in any way indicating slavery or even master is all about sex or the complete motivation, as i stated i said its a big part of it, operative word is part. it always seems like this big elephant in the room no one wants to mention

Why can we talk about love, but not about sexual needs that arise in a woman who has been mastered, how they differ from when she was unowned or non-slave? Why can we talk about a Man loving a woman, but not about his sexual reactions to a woman he has mastered and what a sexually free woman who he owns means to him? Why can we talk about natural order, but not the natural sexual aspect of the relationsbip between a Man and his slave. Why can we hash out what rights mean to a slave but not what her sexual reactions mean to her, mean to him? Why can we hash out ideas about "all women are slave" and yet we cannot even acknowledge sex within slavery of a woman when she is mastered. None of those are all encompassing of slavery, but we still hash them out day in and day out. When people speak of them they don't have the automatic assumption that those people think slavery is "all" about love, or all about rights etc etc. People aren't accused of thinking that female slavery is ALL about such and such when its anything but sex. So why is it suddenly sex becomes the answer of "Gorean is not about sex."

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 8:03:37 PM   
nenakajira


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Status: offline 		The reason might be that some of us aren't willing to discuss our bedroom lives on a message board. Philosophy is not nearly as personal.

Besides, so many have assumed that we are about sex over the years that not discussing it does keep the flaming to a minimum.

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Why can we talk about love, but not about sexual needs that arise in a woman who has been mastered, how they differ from when she was unowned or non-slave? Why can we talk about a Man loving a woman, but not about his sexual reactions to a woman he has mastered and what a sexually free woman who he owns means to him? Why can we talk about natural order, but not the natural sexual aspect of the relationsbip between a Man and his slave. Why can we hash out what rights mean to a slave but not what her sexual reactions mean to her, mean to him? Why can we hash out ideas about "all women are slave" and yet we cannot even acknowledge sex within slavery of a woman when she is mastered. None of those are all encompassing of slavery, but we still hash them out day in and day out. When people speak of them they don't have the automatic assumption that those people think slavery is "all" about love, or all about rights etc etc. People aren't accused of thinking that female slavery is ALL about such and such when its anything but sex. So why is it suddenly sex becomes the answer of "Gorean is not about sex."

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RE: Let's talk about sex baby - For Goreans - 3/19/2006 8:09:31 PM   
krys


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Status: offline 		Perhaps there is an unwillingness to discuss it because some people consider their sex lives a private matter? Perhaps it is because you have displayed a tendency to attack anyone that does not want to fall in line with your definition of Gorean behaviour?

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