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I originally asked this in the ASk a sub or slave section, but I think the answers I am looking for would be more from a Gorean slave rather than a BDSM slave. Please pardon the double post but I am also interested in comparing the feedback between the two forums.

I was reading on some message boards today and one of the topics sparked an interesting thought for me. The topic was directed to slaves.

The question was basically this : At what point did you decide to accept that you are a slave? What lead you to choose to be a slave. I know most slaves will say that I didnt choose slavery it choose me. I acknowledge that is likely true but at some point you had to say... Ok, I know this is who I am and accept that choosing to walk in the knowledge of who and what you are. When or how did you realize/decide to accept that and say, " yes, I am a slave".

For me I am sure it was a series of events and I am not ready to write about my thoughts yet as I am still collecting my thoughts and sorting through them. In the meantime I would be interested to hear from other slaves on this topic.

Any takers?

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I originally asked this in the ASk a sub or slave section, but I think the answers I am looking for would be more from a Gorean slave rather than a BDSM slave. Please pardon the double post but I am also interested in comparing the feedback between the two forums.

I was reading on some message boards today and one of the topics sparked an interesting thought for me. The topic was directed to slaves.

The question was basically this : At what point did you decide to accept that you are a slave? What lead you to choose to be a slave. I know most slaves will say that I didnt choose slavery it choose me. I acknowledge that is likely true but at some point you had to say... Ok, I know this is who I am and accept that choosing to walk in the knowledge of who and what you are. When or how did you realize/decide to accept that and say, " yes, I am a slave".

For me I am sure it was a series of events and I am not ready to write about my thoughts yet as I am still collecting my thoughts and sorting through them. In the meantime I would be interested to hear from other slaves on this topic.

Any takers?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


greetings Free

hi girls

since Master was kind enough to repost this, i feel i should respond.

i dont believe i ever accepted i was a slave. there are certainly moments in my past, and even today, that i wish i had never heard of the term. too many use the term as derogatory... i just view it as how i am.

from childhood, my focus was on pleasing, something that would, at times, drive my poor mother up the wall. i just couldnt seem to help myself. from cooking to cleaning, from mediating family arguments to playing devils advocate, it was all done with the goal to please and keep the peace.

but a part of me wanted even then, even now, to have some autonomy. something at which i fail to obtain in the light of someone with more dominance than myself. i end up wanting to make people happy, those around me to find a form of peace.

its a struggle, sometimes daily, to find that path on which so many have set me upon. sometimes we dont see in ourselves what others see. i have spoken to men and seen what i called a "gorean" light, even while they disavowed that notion. others have said they saw that same light within me.

i did not chose slavery... i am what and how i am by nature... my nature is that of a slave... no choice in the matter at all. i finally recognized i was a slave a few years back while under the control of another. some here know that story... the rest who do not, the story doesnt matter. but even through the sad times there, i realized i am what i am, i cannot battle against it anymore. i suppose that is a form of acceptance. i just understand that it wasnt a choice

well wishes

tazzy

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

I posted this in the other forum prior to this one being posted in the unmentionable and now i am posting it here. I was a Gorean slave and this is how i came to accept slave in myself:

I am slave -- mind you not A SLAVE at the moment -- simply because i am susceptible to being mastered and enslaved by a Man or certain Men wherein his determinations and expectations sand strength are my governing force not my own autonomy and self-determination. This is a need in me. I am slave because i am susceptible to Men who are able to create the environment wherein i exist in his life as he determines. Again this is a need in me. i am slave because i am susceptible to my autonomy and self-determination being taken by a Man who is capable of doing so. Its a need to which i rarely will exist comfortably with Men NOT capable of doing this. I am also slave because i will try and use my sexuality to please Men in general its very instinctive for me and i understand my sexuality belongs to Men and that is also my nature. I need their accepttance of this from Men, i need them not to be intimidated by this part of me, i need them to exploit and demand this part of me to be expressed within the vulnerability of their control and demands, i need them to manipulate this to hold me in their determinations for me. I am slave because with certain Men i need to be mastered and enslaved to exist as they determine and to have them take my self-determination. Its a reactions and instinct i cannot control. Slave is a need within for mastery by a Man, not a determination to be a slave on my part -- in the end he makes me an actual slave through his determinations and his will. i cannot help but gravitate to these strong men who know how to use mastery and my own needs against me to gain what they wish. I thrive and yes, expec this of men, if they cannot deliver, i as slave wll attempt to manipulate them into feeding this need of mine. or simple seek from Man to Man until i find what my needs force me to seek.

I am adding this as i saw someone indicate in another thread that slaves are empowered by what they are given, i disagree, to me a slave is empowered because she is utterly powerless. This need for the empowerment of being powerless is an ultimate need in me, for it allows me no risk of self-determination.

Its about my needs, instincts and reactions to mastery not my choices. But its also about what HE is capable of also.

I am not slave because i have some need to serve just to serve (not all people who are slaves are service oriented) or because i have some need to please everyone and anyone, not even the Man who owns me all of the time. Its funny because what most people don't get is MANY women who are slaves to Men are actually very dominant in nature. Its the mastery and enslavement by which they live UNDER the determinations of the Man who owns them that he determines how he holds them in slavery and what expectations and standards they must reach. Many people mistake what they observe of slaves as a concept of they are ultra submissives -- usually this is not true. Many times they are slaves because they are NOT submissive by nature but reactionary to the mastery and enslavement of the Man who determines they exist by the expectations and standards of the Man who has determined to own them and is capable of holding them in slavery of his determination, a Man willing to exploit them and their sexuality to control them and ultimately own them.

Its not a concept of choosing to be, or making a decision to obey (i.e., slaves many times are and can be disobedient, its not a concept of enjoying to serve and please (people do that all over the world daily and it doesn't make them slaves) to be, being slave is simply in my nature when the right conditions arise based on a Man's determination and his will is such i can only be what naturally compels me. However, many slaves do find enjoyment and excitement and pleasure and contentment in serving and pleasing, slaves do not exist in drudgery of misery to be slaves.

I am a dominant nature, that doesn't disappear when i am a slave, its simply that his will, determinations etc, are such that i naturally exist in his life reaching for his expectations and standards because he has taken my autonomy and self-determination to exist as i determine in his life. i feed off his mastery, i need, and am enslaved by his mastery. Without the mastery and holding of me by his determination wherein he uses his mastery, my needs etc to hold me as he desires, especially if he loves me, i will grasp my self-determination and use it and many times scorn him for his weakness in loving me, i don't play a slave when a Man is incapable of holding me through mastery as he determines.

With such a Man or Men capable of this, i exist naturally and comfortably on my knees living by his determination, expectations, standards and such. However, not all Men are this Man. Some days i get it right, some days i don't, and some days its a mixture of everything. grins, the concept of dominant nature and being slave nature is always so much fun to watch how people react to it. What's funny is also that i know given a CHOICE by a Man to be his slave, my answer to such a CHOICE is ummm no lol, why the hell would any logical woman wish to LIVE IN SLAVERY -- even if it is detrimental to myself as i am my own worse enemy. Most Men i know don't ASK a slave to make a choice to be A slave, they make the choice for her wherein she simply is what he determines her to be and simply wait for her to finally get it and acknowledge same.

Choosing to be a slave is kind of oxymoronic to me due to the fact that if you choose to be a slave you are determining what slave means and in all actuality the woman who is the slave doesn't CHOOSE what slave is but instead lives by the determinations and expectations of the Man who has determined to master and enslave her so she exists as he determines in his life. I think too many people try and CHOOSE to be a slave and that is where their frustrations come in because the actuality of HIS determinations for her doesn't match up to what she has determined for herself being a slave. This is one of the biggest things i struggle with for slave was forged based on no prior knowledge, and now with prior knowledge, its hard to be a clean slate.

Many people within Gor believe a woman who begs a collar is choosing to be a slave, i disagree, i believe if she gets to that point she is already mastered and enslaved and all the begging of the collar is is an acknowledgment of her realization of her existance in His and lives of Men and more so her existance to one man.

I know there are women who are easier held than i, and i know there are women far harder to hold than i. However, in the end its all very simple, its all about cost and value to the Man who determines to own a slave.

angel

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ORIGINAL: Dinnardin
The question was basically this : At what point did you decide to accept that you are a slave?

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

Greetings epona

Could you clarify what you mean by serving vs mastery? Oh btw love the new pic!

I wish you well,

zeph

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Hi tazzy,

This really struck home for me.....and i'm wondering if you can elaborate on why the qualities you mentioned above are, for you, slave qualities. I am not a slave and like you mentioned, i am currently stating, in my profile and in my life, that i do not want to be a slave....but i do struggle with always trying to make others happy, even to the point where on Christmas, i ended up having an argument with me ex, whom i cooked dinner for b/c he had no one - after i ran around visitong everyone else...an argument where he heard me tell him one thing, my b/f another and my mom apparently another. When he pointed it out to me in not so nice a way, he made me feel like a liar and deceiver (this was not a major life issue per se, it was about a possible upcoming move and the reasons and logistics of it all...). Which i'm not. He eventually clarified and said exactly what you mentioned - i am so busy trying to make everyone happy that i tell them what they want to hear, i do what they want me to do and i end up confused, stretched way too thin and never really sure about anything. I saw his point, after i was done crying and yelling about it (after cooking him his dinner which he then passively aggressively didn't eat...ahhh, the joys of ex's knowing what buttons to push ...) and i do wonder how being a slave might alter that and if it is a cop out to allow someone else to make those decisions just because i don't know how to.

So anyways, just rambling thoughts. I don't think i chose my nature, i'm just not sure if there is a "right" way to embrace one's strengths and weaknesses.

~ Epona

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i dont believe i ever accepted i was a slave. there are certainly moments in my past, and even today, that i wish i had never heard of the term. too many use the term as derogatory... i just view it as how i am.

from childhood, my focus was on pleasing, something that would, at times, drive my poor mother up the wall. i just couldnt seem to help myself. from cooking to cleaning, from mediating family arguments to playing devils advocate, it was all done with the goal to please and keep the peace.

but a part of me wanted even then, even now, to have some autonomy. something at which i fail to obtain in the light of someone with more dominance than myself. i end up wanting to make people happy, those around me to find a form of peace.