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Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 4:38:52 AM

barelynangel

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Let's make this easy for everyone.... since my "identification" is such an issue for some and it tends to ruin threads from this post forward i am now a Free Woman of Gor. Based on what i have seen on these boards, i fit very easily into that description both in demeanor and knowledge. i am really sorry to take away all of your ammunition of the feet stamping and whining of i am not acting like a slave, but this is a discussion board, not a roleplaying forum, it is getting utterly ridiculous that a whole thread was wasted on going off on me because of the me FW, you slave bs. . So let's cut the crap, from what I have seen from the Free Women lately, I am a Free Woman. Now everyone can quit worrying about whether i am "acting" like a slave on a discussion board and get back to the purpose of the boards and not look at this like its a roleplaying forum and people cry about slave behavior instead of discussing.

i won't be changing my profile as my personal life is no one's business. But perhaps this will stop all of the roleplaying BS. And the merits of discussion can appear.

Angel

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 6:48:16 AM

nenakajira

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Okay, I hate to say this but heres the deal..

If your profile says slave than no proclaiming in the world will make us view you as a free woman of Gor. Free women are not slaves. And its not roleplay to expect you to act what you are. Slaves are expected to show respect and deferrance to the Free and if you feel that is beyond you than maybe you want to sit back and think of why you want to post on this part of the forum instead of the bdsm side.

You are what you are and its not unreasonable to expect you to conform to that. If you say you are a slave (which your profile does) than it is not unreasonable to expect you to be polite. You'll find times where kajirae do say that dealing with gorean men sucks.. this is one of those times. But it is what it is. If you dont like it.. maybe the gorean forum was the wrong place for your ideas.

-nena{R}

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 8:15:53 AM

barelynangel

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actually i agree, while i was driving to work i thought about it, but because of what i am looking for in my life, i will keep female slave in my profile so people can find me - i do recognize slave, however, until i am owned again, i will be and am a Free. I am not asking approval, or permission, i am simply utilizing the title (which technically i am) as a way to keep the BS out of threads and this way all the ammunition is gone and the nausating posts can end and i will stop replying just as nausatingly lol and discussions can continue. Yes i know i could just ignore them, but with as much stress i am dealing with, believe it or not lol it actually has been a stress relievor in some ways, not only replying to them but the discussion behind the scenes about them. I will admit that this isn't how its suppose to be but for the sake of discussing, i have made my decision. when i become a slave to a Man again i will be so how he wishes me to be .... However, i recognize slave, that doesn't make me a slave. i technically don't even identify as slave except for the sake of clarifying what i am looking to be, but i do have knowledge of such, memories of being such, understandings of such, etc etc and the wish to be so again, being a FW i do not even though i am -- ironic actually. I made a mistake in coming across as slave on many occassions and should not have, because until i am owned again, all my knowledge, understanding, etc etc means nothing but information to questions of discussion and smiles, advice occassionally to close friends who ask for it and others who do as well. Therefore, that part of what i am looking for will stay, I am not owned, i have to make my own decisions on how i view people, and interact with them.

I fought back long and hard and painfully to recognize slave again without letting fear engulf me because of it, i am not giving that up for anyone on a discussion board, however, i will give up enough to put to rest any of my behavior people don't like because they want respect as a Free without earning it. I will not be a doormat to bullies, and i will be a bitch when i need to be and yes, stress tends to make me trigger bitchy as well, and i will give respect if people deserve it, the majority of people here have my respect, most of them know it also, unfortunately the few who don't are what is seen. i am free, i recognize slave, i am not however A slave. i am not one simply to turn the other cheek if someone tries to bitchslap me, i will react and respond to such the same way... i have my own autonomy which means i am self governing, no one governs me and i will not be governed by anonymous just any or many because of what they say they are on a discussion board all i have is me at the moment, so for the sake of discussion topics both mine and others, i will be Free. That should alleviate the me Free you slave posts and allow the discussions to be uninterupted.

i do apologize to people not involved for having to watch this all unfold, this is a solution i think will benefit most, and discussions really have nothing to do with how one identifies ones self but their understanding of interpretations, knowledge, experience etc of what they have read and lived.

So what i call myself means nothing as many on here don't identify even as Gorean who post here, this has nothing to do with being Gorean, my knowledge, understanding, beliefs, etc etc all remain the same, i am not owned, therefore, i am in a void between slave and Free, i am therefore choosing the be Free until i am owned. My choice to be free does not stop me from recognizing the slave within (as many FW do/did, they just choose to ignore it until a Man comes along and makes them openly be so). This site is a site to find someone it is a seek site, therefore, i am seeking to be a slave, which is why my profile states as it is, so i am locatable to those who are looking for what i seek to be. i have acknowledge what i have done here on my profile. That doesn't make me non-Gorean as i do understand in being a FW, i have the ability to be slave, i can be made a slave, therefore, that is what i am searching for because obviously without a Master making me such, i cannot keep myself in the station of slave.

i am not asking people to understand, and to some it probably doesn't make sense.. but in the end, it all will be fine.

Angel

< Message edited by barelynangel -- 3/21/2006 8:25:33 AM >

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 10:25:33 AM

IronBear

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Just one tiny thought angel,,,,, You could relocate to S/E Queensland to a southern suburb called Beenleigh set amid sugar cane .. I could accidently stumble over a red haired slave with a Southern Accident and resolve this slave business once and for all.............................. <<<<Ambles off looking innocent >>>>

< Message edited by IronBear -- 3/21/2006 10:26:20 AM >

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 10:38:33 AM

barelynangel

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bursts out laughing... grins all accidental but precisely strategized and executed huh? kisses your cheek....

yes Master.

thinks if innocense is thee, then innocense has a lot to explain lol.

thank you Master Ironbear,

angel

< Message edited by barelynangel -- 3/21/2006 10:44:18 AM >

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 4:16:47 PM

RavenofPK

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Yes, let us make this most easy. Unlike you, angel, who, with your recent posts, have just muddied the waters again. First off........you stomp your feet, and all of a sudden proclaim yourself a Free Woman of the Gorean lifestyle. And then.........not two posts later........address a free man as "Master". Gorean law, which IS, and can be, lived offline, states: That if any free woman of the Gorean way addresses a free man as "Master", or in any other way behaves in a slave like manner, it constitutes "self-enslavement" (paraphrased).

So........which is it? Free, or slave?

Tell you what..........I'll make it simple for you. I can (and may very well still do) spread some individual blame around. Because as a Gorean free man, who takes the lifestyle as seriously as it can be taken, am fed up with the women (free and slave alike) behaving with such disrespect and disregard to their *CHOSEN* place in the natural order of things. Personally, angel, you have lost any credibility and value you may have had amongst Gorean eyes. You can keep flapping your gums if you wish (it is a free board, as I am often reminded), but do not be surprized when anything you say gets dismissed as background noise.

Raven

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 4:25:28 PM

RavenMuse

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Frankly folks... who gives a rats-ass about all this RP crap! Deal with reality... she maybe a slave but she ain't YOUR fecking slave and can pretty much act how she damn well wants unless she pisses off the Modkins, so get the hell off her case!

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 4:29:51 PM

RavenofPK

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

Frankly folks... who gives a rats-ass about all this RP crap! Deal with reality... she maybe a slave but she ain't YOUR fecking slave and can pretty much act how she damn well wants unless she pisses off the Modkins, so get the hell off her case!

RavenMuse,

Aside from the fact that within the Gorean culture, any slave, owned or not, is subject to any free person's correction and discipline, the point is that that type of behavior is NOT tolerated, or cared for within the Gorean lifestyle. Folks who are new and curious do not need to be getting the impression that Gorean females can behave like bdsm "subbies", and will be held to a higher standard of behavior.

Raven

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 4:39:57 PM

RavenMuse

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenofPK
RavenMuse,

Aside from the fact that within the Gorean culture, any slave, owned or not, is subject to any free person's correction and discipline, the point is that that type of behavior is NOT tolerated, or cared for within the Gorean lifestyle. Folks who are new and curious do not need to be getting the impression that Gorean females can behave like bdsm "subbies", and will be held to a higher standard of behavior.

Raven

You seem to be under some slight misunderstanding... this isn't some chatroom where everyone participating is playing by the rules of some game. This is a discussion board, this corner of which is ABOUT Gor and Gorean values.... The bottom line is still the fact that no matter how hard you beat your chest and pontificate, unless someone wears your collar then you are NOT in any position to demand they act in any particular way. If they act in a manner you disagree with, then fine, ignore them, but trying to dictate to them only makes you look misguided!

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This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 4:49:00 PM

MistressDREAD

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quote:

dismissed as background noise. and moves on......

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 4:49:38 PM

fyreredsub

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unowned slave or not, on earth or Gor of earth if one's calling is to be kajira, then one need to watch their mouth and actions, ecspecially when in a public forum such as this.

i know, i learned the hard way.

slaves have no honor but their is slave pride................

to be kajira is to be pleasing....
to all free
in any manner
owned or unowned

it is a reflectation of your mind, character and heart

wishing to be mounted and used and screaming does not make a woman a kajira,
it makes her a brat.

even as new as i am, and as bad as i may have acted in the past..i knew it was pure wrong..i thank the goddesses i have had masters that care enough about me to correct me instead of allowing it to go on because they saw and still do see value in this one.

and it is not rp crap...i do beg to differ on this....

from one who has learned to grow

from her mistakes

< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 3/21/2006 4:51:34 PM >

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 4:51:04 PM

RavenofPK

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

You seem to be under some slight misunderstanding... this isn't some chatroom where everyone participating is playing by the rules of some game. This is a discussion board, this corner of which is ABOUT Gor and Gorean values.... The bottom line is still the fact that no matter how hard you beat your chest and pontificate, unless someone wears your collar then you are NOT in any position to demand they act in any particular way. If they act in a manner you disagree with, then fine, ignore them, but trying to dictate to them only makes you look misguided!

Uh..........bullshit.

I am far from misguided, or under any misunderstanding about the Gorean way. Which, philosophically and reality speaking, has little to nothing to do with any chatroom, or whatever silly board/role playing game you may be referring to, or used to dealing with.

Hey, if you don't believe or subscribe to the Gorean lifestyle, that's fine. But don't presume my passion and love for the Gorean lifestyle is a "game", or frivolous. Goreans teach and instruct the same way that the bdsm side does..............life experience handed down to those that have none, and wish some.

Raven

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 4:57:59 PM

fyreredsub

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Sir forgive my butting in
but a slave can not suddenly decide they are free, that is NOT a Gorean belief.
i even brought this up in a Gorean group i am in out of here because it is so odd of a behavior.
yes this is here and now and this is earth but we do live by Gor ideals...without the tarns....

and any Master can correct a slave, she need not be under his collar or owned by him.......
i know the quotes wont matter to you

and its okay..... all this from a kajira who has technically never been owned nor rp in a chatroom.
i only LIVE it

< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 3/21/2006 4:59:03 PM >

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 5:00:17 PM

RavenMuse

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenofPK
Uh..........bullshit.

I am far from misguided, or under any misunderstanding about the Gorean way. Which, philosophically and reality speaking, has little to nothing to do with any chatroom, or whatever silly board/role playing game you may be referring to, or used to dealing with.

Hey, if you don't believe or subscribe to the Gorean lifestyle, that's fine. But don't presume my passion and love for the Gorean lifestyle is a "game", or frivolous. Goreans teach and instruct the same way that the bdsm side does..............life experience handed down to those that have none, and wish some.

Raven

Then boy, you need someone to teach and instruct you in what a discussion forum is and what you look like when you try to rather pointlessly dictate to someone who doesn't wear your collar.

Have fun with your chest beating and your inability to deal with reality... MY lifestyle deals with the real world. Note I am not saying most Goreans don't... just that YOU seem to have some difficulty in that department!

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And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 5:05:16 PM

RavenMuse

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Someone who trys to 'correct' MY propety without MY express permission is going to find themselves dealing with one very pissed off Scot!

If she doesn't wear YOUR collar then you can NOT dictate ANYTHING to her. Offer an opinion, yep. Choose to ignore her if she acts in a way that displeases you, yep. But dictate her actions, not in the real world!

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And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 5:12:53 PM

fyreredsub

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like the new pix Master IB

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 5:17:49 PM

fyreredsub

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if a slave is owned by a Gorean master , he can if he wishes to, allow the 'offended free person' the right to correct his slave. it is the way of Gor Sir.then again, he does not have to allow that to happen, it depends on the infraction and the Master.
but in Gor if a kajira is unowned, she should expect to be corrected when acting offensively, by the Free.
that is how it is............
Gor is beautiful but Gor is also harsh.
kajira owned or unowned are expected to act in a pleasing manner when dealing with the Free.
that is just how it is Sir.

< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 3/21/2006 5:19:01 PM >

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 5:18:11 PM

MrDiscipline44

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Actually RavenMuse, Ravenof PK is correct here.(This maybe one of the only times I agree with him on a subject) As is fyreredsub. Gorean women, whether free os slave, are expected to act with at least a modicum of etiquette and decorum. Any slave (or those that recognize as slave) that is found to not be behaving in a manner exceptable to to any free, she can be corrected by discipline. A free woman that acts badly can be enslaved. This is a common practice recognized and done in real life, not just something done on-line in role play. And done in many houses. This is where you see Gorean being more severe then other lifestyles with the exception of Old Guard. Even in Old Guard, barelynangle is acting in a manner that is unbecoming and would be and should be corrected for it.

Now, this may not be a practice you are very keen about and thats fine. But this is a Gorean practice that is recognized and commonly done.

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 5:19:00 PM

barelynangel

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Raven of PK -

I agree my behavior is something to be fed up with in regards to the past month or so... life happened and well i have taken it out in writing on a discussion board... i am not stating it wasn't or is not, i usually admit when i have been testy and bitchy etc etc, and i admit it but my behavior is mine to rectify and mine alone until there is a Master who owns me as i am not a free for all for anyone who decides to cap their nick. i recognize slave, i can't help that, if you think i can then you have no clue what its about. However, i am not a stupid woman because i recognize slave... i do not take correction from just anyone who decides to cap their nick and go off on people regarding their behavior on a open public discussion board (mostly because i could probably lecture them better than they could lecture me on what a slave's behavior should be) - this isn't a roleplaying chatroom, and well if people are going shun me and figuratively whip me forever because of my losses of control for the last month or so then so be it... what do you wish me to do beg people not too? That's not how it works, it is their choice, just as the credibility they gave me before was also their choice, if they wish to take it away now then so be it, if these people matter to me, then i have to regain that credibility from those who i have lost it.

However, that doesn't change the fact that i am free, i and i alone govern me and my behavior and i will tell you this much, i know myself pretty damn well to know that i don't govern myself into a slave station. If that type of acting and roleplaying is what matters, then i will never have all this credibility back because it just isn't me and that's okay, there are people who see beyond roleplaying and acting to give merit to credibility.. I don't act, those who know me know this... i will not let a discussion board govern what my private life is, therefore, it will not govern my profile. i explained to nena why i am doing what i am. You either will shun me because of it and expect me to choose FW or slave to have some kind of credibility of what being Gor is, or you won't -- but i honestly cannot choose. i know you don't understand it and i am not asking you too. i really don't know how; i am not one or the other right now, all i know is i am figuratively one and actually another. How does someone identify with one thing when she is recognizes one but is the other based on actuality.

Be slave and master myself - simper and respect people with capped nicks on a discussion board without their having merit in my eyes -- we all see how well that works.. Be FW and forget the slave. Your statements are true within the books and the roleplaying arena Raven, but sometimes its not so clear cut in reality when a slave is unowned.

As for my calling Master Ironbear Master.. smiles.. i will also not allow other people to dictate how i view certain people and my relationship so to speak with them. Master Ironbear is and always has been Master Ironbear to me. Even as slave i didn't address all people as Master and i don't address women as Mistress (unless they have proven that is what they are because they have merit with me). So what i call people is really redundant in the scope of things. If that is what makes someone Gorean then many people are screwed up in what Gor is from this Board alone.

I am not trying to roleplay Raven, i am simply trying to get through this void of being unowned and Free yet recognizing slave. i am not asking you to understand it, accept it, or anything... if i could choose with the ease that you think it is.. i would because what is going on now, is not easy.

I wish you well.

angel

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RE: Let's make this easy - 3/21/2006 5:25:43 PM

fyreredsub

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Thank you MrDiscipline, that means i have indeed learned something thro the past.

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