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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/23/2006 1:18:31 AM

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you are a good girl and I enjoy reading your posts, smile.

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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/23/2006 1:23:40 AM

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fyre you sound so hurt.

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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/23/2006 8:34:45 PM

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Greetings,

The complexity of this issue is one that can be seen from so many different angles. The first question that comes to mind is not should you hold back but even if it is possible for a women who has been enslaved to do so? There are so many issues of true slavery that are often overlooked because they are painful and require a responsibility not only on the owners part but on that of the slave. To start with all of these issues go back to making the first and most important decision a slave can make, choosing the collar to beg.

While many make that sound rather trivial, especially those who choose to have an online relationship there are emotional aspects of begging a collar that are often overlooked or swept away without much thought. The bond you make to an owner is beyond what can be described in just a few words and that is why it is so very important for a slave to weigh carefully and be first responsible for their decision.

Consensual slavery can be very consuming and there have been those known in Gorean communities who could not handle the depth of having lost a Master and finding themselves suddenly with freedom they were emotionally frozen.

Owners of slaves must also take a responsibility in that they should be careful of the emotional stability of a woman they choose to collar. Online forums open the doors for many interactions that might not otherwise have been possible such as real life meetings and the eventual collaring and/or life commitment. There has to be a balance between the fantasy of Gor and the reality of living a gorean lifestyle.

The majority of gorean men I know do not want women who are so dependant that they cannot cope nor make necessary life choices. Somewhere in here we sometimes see or think of gorean slaves as weak creatures who can’t think clearly but that is far from the truth. It takes great strength to allow yourself the true submission found at a man’s feet.

In my own experience I came to the conclusion that a gorean slave is always owned, if not by a personal master then by the men whom she has come to respect in the gorean community. Just my own thoughts and two cents for what it is worth.

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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/24/2006 2:41:13 AM

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greeting to all

As a non gorean i still understand the love the women have for the masters. I also feel that fear of depend on a master for everything not the money part but the overwhelming love you feel for him and to please him.
The very thought of losing him scares me! I find this part would scare me most were I to become a slave. When women love they give their all, but a slave gives so much more i see this it is a different love that does not come and go it stays and may i say It stays forever.

I do not think your so depend that you could not live on your own, but it is the thought of losing this master with all of his help and mentoring that is the part that can break one's soul. It is said " I would rather loved and lose then never to love at all" i find that the love you all have for your masters is something many many women would die for. So do not worry about what if, take what is now and love is hard. Also i think the master have the same fears as the women do you are his heart and soul.

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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/24/2006 5:27:15 AM

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nah just a wistful moment

such is life and it is full of learning curves

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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/24/2006 6:37:24 AM

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"Also i think the master have the same fears as the women do you are his heart and soul."

In reply to that statement I do not always belive that the case, nor do I belive love is always nessecary in order to fully serve a man. At least not for a gorean slave. Sometimes love becomes a deterant to good mastering. Perhaps this should be for a seperate thread but love can be seen in a different way that is not always positive when it becomes a stumbling block in a Master/slave relationship.

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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/24/2006 6:43:16 AM

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littlebitgypsy i agree with your last statement. i have Masters that have a big piece of my brain b/c of past ownership in some manner but as an unowned girl at the moment i have several that affect my thinking in some manner because i respect them and they find some value in me.
however many of the daily routines i have it is /was something that came about b/c Master said do it this way

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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/24/2006 7:24:30 AM

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Ah, respect is truely the key is it not? more so than love even. Although love is nice and warm and fuzzy it also can change a relationship into something less than ideal in some cases. I would much rather serve a Master whom I have great respect than one who gushes words of love.

Don't love me so much you can't master me.

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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/24/2006 8:28:19 AM

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love is a vanilla concept in many ways...
yes i would rather be owned and serve and be used to the best of my abilities to the betterment of myself and for Master by a Master that i respect,yes indeed it is the ways of Gor that call to me heart but it is that primal insticntual need to live life as it is meant to be lived that is ingrained in my collective unconsious and society can not remove it from me. it is raw and it is deep and it is a pull that needs filling and only other Goreans can understand this.
not living this way would be 'the loss'

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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/24/2006 9:16:01 AM

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I like you.

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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/24/2006 11:59:08 AM

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a humble thank you from still a very new girl

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RE: Dealing with loss - 3/25/2006 6:19:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: littlebitgypsy
Owners of slaves must also take a responsibility in that they should be careful of the emotional stability of a woman they choose to collar.

greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves..

i agree with this whole heartedly gypsy. i am curious as to if any Men do any "emotional checks" every once in awhile to ensure that their slave is in a good place. many will look at physical checks because they are easy to see each time you look at the slave. the emotional stability and safety of a slave should be held more important then the physical in my opinion because the affects and ramifications can be so longstanding. do any of the slaves here have an "emotional network" set up where they can go to outside of their owner or at least in the event they need one after their owner leaves?

just a few thoughts from a sleepy slut.

with an allowed voice..

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