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RE: So I've discovered this thing called "Gorean.&... - 1/16/2010 8:05:12 AM   
Trevelyan


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Tal everyone,

Norman used the phrase "order of nature" 81 times in the series.

Here is the breakdown:
Captive - twice
Slave Girl - 4 times
Fighting Slave - 4 times
Rogue - 9 times
Guardsman - 10 times
Savages - 5 times
Blood Brothers - 3 times
Kajira - 4 times
Players - 3 times
Mercenaries - 3 times
Dancer - 8 times
Renegades - 2 times
Vagabonds - 3 times
Magicians - 3 times
Witness - 9 times
Prize - 8 times
Kur - once

He used the phrase "the natural order of nature" once, in Explorers.

And, as has been correctly pointed out in this thread, he used the phrase "natural order" once in the series, in Blood Brothers.

Obviously, I was mistaken when I said that he never used the phrase "natural order". He used it once, compared to using "order of nature" 81 times, and combining the phrases once.

When he uses the phrase "order of nature" he invariably means the idea that humans are a male dominant species of animal; that it is therefore biologically natural for human males to dominate and human females to submit; and that people are more likely to be happy, healthy and fulfilled when we "take our place in the order of nature."

I believe that idea is true.

My reading of the "natural order" passage in Blood Brothers is that he is referring to the same idea.

I strongly favor using the phrase "order of nature" because it is the one Norman used repeatedly to identify a single discrete idea.

I oppose using the phrase "natural order" because Norman only used it twice, and it is routinely used here online to mean an amorphous variety of things Norman never intended.

I wish you all well.

Trevelyan

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RE: So I've discovered this thing called "Gorean.&... - 1/16/2010 8:27:05 AM   
Musicmystery


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Thank you, Trevelyan.

I, too, believe Norman intentionally avoided "natural order" due to its barrage of connotations in earth discourse.

Live well,

Tim

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RE: So I've discovered this thing called "Gorean.&... - 1/16/2010 11:19:02 AM   
Zarius


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Trevelyan

As Tim stated, I to believe the same and as well I liked how you interperted the ideas.


Zarius

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RE: So I've discovered this thing called "Gorean.&... - 1/16/2010 5:42:22 PM   
Dinnardin


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Trevelyan,
Well stated...I have always considered natural order means beer with pizza or fries with a cheeseburger.

John, AKA Dinnardin

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RE: So I've discovered this thing called "Gorean.&... - 1/17/2010 11:36:19 AM   
Falaria


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Don't forget the pork chops and applesauce   

I couldn't resist adding that.

I wish you well,
Falaria


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