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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/15/2010 10:57:52 AM

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Yes my determination can get me through a depression.

Thank you for the confirmation. I appreciate that.

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than fighting the depression.

Depression has to be endured, not fought.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/15/2010 2:02:42 PM

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Yes my determination can get me through a depression. And I do make a choice to self medicate with chocolate. But for now, for good or bad it have been the choice I have made. Perhaps that is because of cowardice, or perhaps it is a choice based on the fact that I would rather spend my energy on my studies and what I appreciate in my life than fighting the depression. Perhaps a bit of both. Eating chocolate is a mistake, but it is a mistake I choose to make.

The only method I have ever heard of in regards to life expansion that has provided convincing scientifically measurable results is that of a calorie restrictive diet.
Scientists have been able to double the life expectancy of rats by putting them on a calorie restricted diet their entire lives. Tests with primates are starting to show the same kinds of results, though these studies take much longer to conduct and so the results are not final yet.
So while your chocolate might help you with your lack of willpower, it is in direct opposition of what you claim to be the goal of your studies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie_restriction

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One once was a man associated with my first Coven, I am Pagan. I told him of my views and he told me he would kill me unless I stopped my attempts. Needless to say I had nothing more to do with that man.

The second time was a friend I visited, I spoke to her about being involved in life extension and she said she wanted to kill me as a mercy just in case I could pull it off.

In neither case was I very worried, I was more angry as no attempts where made, just threats and I am fully capable of defending myself. But it was uncomfortable, especially since both threats have come from pepole I believed friends who turned against me when I spoke to them about my interests. Now I am very open about it instead so I do not become friends with pepole who take such offense at life extension.

Thank you for clarifying.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/15/2010 3:07:01 PM

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One once was a man associated with my first Coven, I am Pagan. I told him of my views and he told me he would kill me unless I stopped my attempts. Needless to say I had nothing more to do with that man.

The second time was a friend I visited, I spoke to her about being involved in life extension and she said she wanted to kill me as a mercy just in case I could pull it off.

In neither case was I very worried, I was more angry as no attempts where made, just threats and I am fully capable of defending myself. But it was uncomfortable, especially since both threats have come from pepole I believed friends who turned against me when I spoke to them about my interests.

Has it occurred to you that perhaps you're hanging out with some very kooky people?

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/15/2010 6:01:59 PM

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The only method I have ever heard of in regards to life expansion that has provided convincing scientifically measurable results is that of a calorie restrictive diet.
Scientists have been able to double the life expectancy of rats by putting them on a calorie restricted diet their entire lives. Tests with primates are starting to show the same kinds of results, though these studies take much longer to conduct and so the results are not final yet.
So while your chocolate might help you with your lack of willpower, it is in direct opposition of what you claim to be the goal of your studies.

Calorie restriction work on the concept that all organisms wish to procreate, and that if the organism think that food is scarce it will stay alive longer to extend the window of opportunity for finding a period with enough food to support offspring. Some also claim that or digestion system is hard on the body, causes wear and tear so to speak, and therefore using it as little as possible extends life. In addition it is the fact that body fat do cause damage to the body, and that being overweight like I am is not good for ones health.

However, calorie restriction can only buy you so much of extra time. Some say it might give you a decade extra, some say three, but more than that, no. And I would rather die at 90 having enjoyed good food and enjoyed life, than reach 120 and lived of a few leaves of salad a day for all that time. There are other methods being researched, and I have more faith in things like nanotechnology and stem cells than I have calorie restriction.

I wish you well

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/15/2010 6:03:17 PM

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Depression has to be endured, not fought.

I disagree. Depression is an enemy which have to be fought and preferably beaten to the curb and destroyed.

I wish you well

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/15/2010 6:06:15 PM

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Has it occurred to you that perhaps you're hanging out with some very kooky people?

Few of the pepole I hang out with would fit into the the description completely normal. However practicing Paganism and belonging to a Coven are no more kooky than being a Christian and going to Church.

I wish you well

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/16/2010 8:37:34 AM

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At least they probably wouldn't threaten to kill you.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/17/2010 6:33:27 AM

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At least they probably wouldn't threaten to kill you.

You may be right. But then one have some rather kooky Christians to. :)

I wish you well

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/25/2010 7:37:15 PM

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For me this is a cultural thing as well. I was raised in a Warrior tradition and continue along that road in my older years. I will say that living a good life is a fine goal, though to those of us in some Warrior traditions the prospect of a good death and how one will be remembered is also very important.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/29/2010 10:07:36 PM

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Goreans seek to live but unfortunately, death finds us all.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/29/2010 10:35:32 PM

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Goreans seek to live but unfortunately, death finds us all.

I think you're indulging in the "nobody can think but me" fallacy.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/30/2010 5:22:43 AM

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I don't think many Goreans seek to live. I think many Goreans seek to die, but try and tell themselves they are seeking to live. When people whether they be Gorean or not, do things that they know are not maintaining their health, or they make choices that they know is not prolonging their life but in fact more than likely shortening it -- this to me is seeking to die.

Its why i asked the question, how truthful are Goreans with even themselves. One cannot live a lifestyle that more than likely is shortening their lives and make choices with their health and welfare that may lead to an earlier death and say they are not seeking to die. Its more comfortable for most to say that in their minds they are seeking to live, but their actions to me are what speak to their true maybe unconscious decisions seeking to die.

Thanks for all who responded. It was a statement i heard and i was curious if Goreans were more matched up with their thinking and actions.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/30/2010 7:51:08 AM

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Naa, I was partaking in the putting in my redundant two cents fallacy.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/30/2010 7:55:46 AM

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Who was the philosopher that argued we are all dying from the moment we are born and that we seek only to kill ourselves. (as humans not just Goreans) Whoever it was, it was a valid thought, just not a particularly useful one.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/30/2010 8:05:33 AM

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I don't think many Goreans seek to live. I think many Goreans seek to die, but try and tell themselves they are seeking to live. When people whether they be Gorean or not, do things that they know are not maintaining their health, or they make choices that they know is not prolonging their life but in fact more than likely shortening it -- this to me is seeking to die.

Its why i asked the question, how truthful are Goreans with even themselves. One cannot live a lifestyle that more than likely is shortening their lives and make choices with their health and welfare that may lead to an earlier death and say they are not seeking to die. Its more comfortable for most to say that in their minds they are seeking to live, but their actions to me are what speak to their true maybe unconscious decisions seeking to die.

Thanks for all who responded. It was a statement i heard and i was curious if Goreans were more matched up with their thinking and actions.

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I don't think that Gorean philosophies would necessarily lead one to claw and scratch their way to their grave...there is just a perspective on the order of: "If a man live, it is a certainty he will die'. So, one should not fear death anymore than one should fear being born, because they come to us all.

Eat, drink and be merry; for tomorrow you shall die.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/30/2010 8:15:33 AM

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I don't fear being born because I was hatched from an egg.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/30/2010 8:18:19 AM

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If that be the case, you can explain the chicken thingie for us!!!!!!

I was shit out on a stump and hatched in the sun, myself.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 1/30/2010 8:27:51 AM

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I actually know the answer to that one. Neither the chicken nor the egg came first. First primordial ooze, then single cells, .... protochicken, then mutant offspring of protochicken called just chicken.

Or, if there was creation (which I see as just as likely), then god said let there be chicken, because had he said let there be egg, there would have been no chicken to incubate the egg.

Also, Adam wasn't created as an egg then embry then man. He was a man created from dust. But woman was after adam from his rib if you can trust the Genesis.

So, by those arguments, I'm not sure why so many people don't know which came first.

But at breakfast, eggs come last because they cook the quickest and you want them served hot and fresh.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 2/24/2010 12:36:38 AM

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There was a time I begged death to come and give me the chance to fight for my right to die . 20 yrs later I became a Dad . I see now why I was not given the chance to die . I live each day as it come . I know I will have the chance to face death one last time and I will win but until that day I have duties I have to do here on the planet that only I can do . I now live each day as it comes not live to see my death .

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 2/24/2010 8:38:01 AM

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do the actions of a person adhere to wanting to live. For example, A thrill seeker constantly seeks dangerous stunts that can in fact cause his death. Yet he still does them. Is he seeking like or death?

The question ignores the quality of life. We think of this in suffering patients, but it's the case in all people.

Neph wants to live forever. She also thinks it's magically possible (literally). I pity her, for even if she were correct, it's a huge misunderstanding about life.

A thrill seeker, I feel, is being reckless with life. But if he is truly taking responsibility for that, fair enough. And on balance, I'd like a long life, but far, far, far more importantly, I want to live well today and everyday. For me, that means healthy living and healthy choices, as I feel better and more alive.

I seek neither life nor death. I am what I am, and I have today what I have. That's living life. For me at least, anything else is foolish and a waste.

Live well,

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