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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 2/26/2010 3:29:41 AM

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do Goreans seek to live or seek to die?

Yes, we do.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 2/26/2010 6:16:17 AM

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do Goreans seek to live or seek to die?

Yes, we do.

Except when we don't.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/13/2010 3:47:23 PM

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I have no use of death, my goal is to stay alive, forever if I can.

Hate to be a "spoiler", but you're gonna die.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/13/2010 7:27:31 PM

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I have no use of death, my goal is to stay alive, forever if I can.

Hate to be a "spoiler", but you're gonna die.

To quote Woody Allen: "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work...I want to achieve immortality through not dying."

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/17/2010 3:52:08 PM

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When I was 13 I was offered a chance to join a group who understood that life was just more than breathing and living in this world . That to extend into the next realm was not just a right but something you had to earn . I had to do more than just be a good man and follow the light . I had to earn my place and I had to know that it could not just be done through what good things I had done . My heart must always be open as well as my mind . I was taught the way of a warrior and a peace maker . To be able to wage war but bring peace when able . I was taught each day is a new beginning and maybe my last on this Earth . I am a warrior in my heart and I can and will take a human life with no more thought than killing a bug . But I was taught that no life is to be taken unless in the defence of another . I have been taught and learned many things in my life and now I am the last of my kind . I yearn for death . I wish it on a daily basis . I also enjoy life . I live each day and try to make it better for those around me . I have watched those younger and older than me dance with death and win the right to move on . I have come so close to the dance but in 30 yrs have not been given the chance . So I wait and I do what I can to make this world better than when I have found it . The day will come when death faces me another time and I will win . Until then I remember the old ways and use them in a world that has forgotten . I am not human nor am I Gor . I am a warrior and I am the last of the old gaurd . I wonder when I am gone will anyone even want to take my place in this world and carry on with the old ways .

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/17/2010 7:32:46 PM

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There are points beyond which death is prefferable to life. My understanding from the books is that Goreans are basically emotionally in touch with each other-and nature. They value stability and clear thinking-and despise duplicity and formenters of chaos.

But the love of life and loyalty are the most endearing aspects I found within it-and the fact that they accept thier darks sides as being as valid as the rest. In the modern world of reality,who can say?

Humans are prey to many disorders-including denial.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/18/2010 4:02:20 PM

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I am a warrior in my heart and I can and will take a human life with no more thought than killing a bug . But I was taught that no life is to be taken unless in the defence of another . I have been taught and learned many things in my life and now I am the last of my kind ... I am a warrior and I am the last of the old gaurd .

I'll bet that comes in handy in the Supermarket produce aisle.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/18/2010 4:55:22 PM

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In my opinion, we live to live. We just seek to be be complete with oneself. It is not the choice to live or die. But a choice to live full of life, or live in a life that is dead.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/24/2010 2:42:46 AM

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MasteSlaveLA you want to see a life and death struggle go to a store closing 3 days before closing . Just make sure you have on Kevlar and lots of it . I won't work retail again after Kmart closed here . THat was scarry as hell .

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/27/2010 1:24:36 AM

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To quote Woody Allen: "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work...I want to achieve immortality through not dying."

I agree with Mr Allen on this point. I plan to use whatever science come up with and whatever Spiritual disciplines can come up with and just not die, and at least give a hell of a fight before I go down.

I wish you well

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/27/2010 4:30:04 AM

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I do not agree, the most basic instinct any living being have is the instinct to survive.

It has been awhile since i have been in school, but the last i heard on the subject: us humans have no instincts (with the highly debated possibility of territorial behavior). Survival is a learned behavior.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/27/2010 7:51:19 AM

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Your intellectual credibility is being challanged by this comment, so perhaps you could share your theory and reasons to say what you did.

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It has been awhile since i have been in school, but the last i heard on the subject: us humans have no instincts (with the highly debated possibility of territorial behavior). Survival is a learned behavior.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/27/2010 8:05:26 AM

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Your intellectual credibility is being challanged by this comment, so perhaps you could share your theory and reasons to say what you did.

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It has been awhile since i have been in school, but the last i heard on the subject: us humans have no instincts (with the highly debated possibility of territorial behavior). Survival is a learned behavior.

as i said...it has been a long time since i was in school, and following up on this subject was not necessary in my practice.

In terms of what you may understand, Bull...try this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct

then draw your own conclusions.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/27/2010 8:17:09 AM

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It has been awhile since i have been in school, but the last i heard on the subject: us humans have no instincts (with the highly debated possibility of territorial behavior). Survival is a learned behavior.

Are you sure that was not a school supporting creationist theory? As if you believe in evolution humans is animals we have the same instincts as other animals have.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/27/2010 8:20:22 AM

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Ok, I went down and read the section that states: In humans.

At best all I see is what they maintain is hotly debated and to me little more than speculative dialogue most likely contrived by some to imply some continued notion directed at human self-importance. Hence this point of contention is little more than a theory and perhaps I misunderstood you, but it appeared you presented it as a fact.

I suspect like everything in life we will have our advocates and detractors. Thanks for the link. I see now what you drew your conclusion from.

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In terms of what you may understand, Bull...try this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct

then draw your own conclusions.

edited to reduce the size of the quotes

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/27/2010 10:42:27 AM

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Ok, I went down and read the section that states: In humans.

At best all I see is what they maintain is hotly debated and to me little more than speculative dialogue most likely contrived by some to imply some continued notion directed at human self-importance. Hence this point of contention is little more than a theory and perhaps I misunderstood you, but it appeared you presented it as a fact.

I suspect like everything in life we will have our advocates and detractors. Thanks for the link. I see now what you drew your conclusion from.

I never said it was not debated...did i? I DID say a debate was going on even when i was in school...didn't i?

As to this...

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I see now what you drew your conclusion from.

You are clueless as to what my conclusions are, as i never stated them. What i wrote was what was being stated for the entire time i was in school.

If you do not like the link i sited...too bad, Sugar. I posted something I thought you would understand.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/27/2010 10:49:45 AM

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/27/2010 11:34:44 AM

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I believe that your initial post mentioned only territorial behavior as being debated; therefore your phraseology could leave us to conclude that you see other referenced concepts as fact.

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I never said it was not debated...did i?

Actually since you did choose to allude to one particular as being in debate, as I mentioned above, therefore it is within reason to conclude you see all other concepts as settled. But not being sure of your intent, I inquired. You are ok with being questioned when someone isn’t clear as to your intent, aren’t you?

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I DID say a debate was going on even when i was in school...didn't i?

No, you didn't state as much, you merely stated it's been a while since you had been in school. I took that to mean you were getting old, welcome to the club.

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You are clueless as to what my conclusions are,

I'm pretty certain that all present company could be included in this statement.

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as i never stated them.

No, you didn't go into detail, but you did make a comment and if you want to be misunderstood, perhaps you should reserve your comments or be more comprehensive with your dialogue. It has been my experience that when you are not understood you are left dealing with assumptions on the behalf of others.

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What i wrote was what was being stated for the entire time i was in school.

I am sorry to hear that. But it does explain a great deal.

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If you do not like the link i sited...too bad, Sugar. I posted something I thought you would understand.

I made no comment as to my preference about the site, I only commented about specific observations............princess (while I certainly don’t view you as regal or majestic, it seems that we are assigning pet names and this one fits you more appropriately than sugar fits me, I’m not very sweet).

And your sanctimonious attitude does little more than present a depiction as to your behavioral learning’s.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/27/2010 11:52:40 AM

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The material presented is rather superficial--a few theories, without support beyond conjecture, that humans override instinctual behavior mentally. This, however, is far different than not having instincts at all. Hell, a trained dog overrides instincts.

For example---flight or fight. A primitive response, to be sure, yet one humans absolutely and demonstrably obey without thought---an instinct.

Cultural conditioning may separate us from instinct, but it doesn't erase them. This, holly, is largely what the Gor books are about, that this inner division fosters unhappiness, that society can be reconstructed with the benefits (Home Stone) but without the artificial drain on our natures (instincts), making us happier. Governed by Codes, yes, but Codes better matched to the order of nature.

Put another way---we might, for example, mentally override acting on an instinct, but the natural "Damn! That one's hot!" desire when salacious members of the appropriate gender walk by will still be there.

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RE: Do Goreans seek to live or seek to die? - 3/27/2010 1:08:38 PM

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Good post...

That covers the subject rather well and objectively.

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The material presented is rather superficial--a few theories, without support beyond conjecture, that humans override instinctual behavior mentally. This, however, is far different than not having instincts at all. Hell, a trained dog overrides instincts.

For example---flight or fight. A primitive response, to be sure, yet one humans absolutely and demonstrably obey without thought---an instinct.

Cultural conditioning may separate us from instinct, but it doesn't erase them. This, holly, is largely what the Gor books are about, that this inner division fosters unhappiness, that society can be reconstructed with the benefits (Home Stone) but without the artificial drain on our natures (instincts), making us happier. Governed by Codes, yes, but Codes better matched to the order of nature.

Put another way---we might, for example, mentally override acting on an instinct, but the natural "Damn! That one's hot!" desire when salacious members of the appropriate gender walk by will still be there.

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