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Naturallurker -> Builders or slaves (1/11/2010 11:47:04 AM)
For those who, like me, enjoy seeing echoes of civilisations and (possible) cultural practices in world history within the books I offer the following. http://www.drhawass.com/blog/press-release-new-tombs-found-giza quote: “This is the first time to uncover tombs like the ones that were found during the 1990’s, which belong to the late 4th and 5th Dynasties (2649-2374 BC),” asserted Hawass, pointing out that this group of tombs can be considered one of the most important discoveries of the 20th and the 21st centuries, as they shed more light on the early period of the 4th Dynasty, as well as contradicting rumors that the pyramids were constructed through slavery. “These tombs were built beside the king’s pyramid, which indicates that these people were not by any means slaves. If they were slaves, they would not have been able to build their tombs beside their king’s,” concluded Hawass. also quote: Evidence uncovered also revealed that the families in the Delta and Upper Egypt sent 21 cattle and 23 sheep to the plateau every day to feed the workers. Hawass pointed out that the families who sent these were not paying their taxes to the Egyptian government, but rather they were sharing in one of Egypt’s national projects. I rather like the thought that this ethos of building together freely contributing as opposed to being forced through taxation, by free men of Egypt and contributing, is similar to that of the free men of the Gorean books. Even those of Port Kar reserving the building of their precious ships, for the free. Relying on mere slaves to build anything of import ( tombs, monuments, the means by which one earns one's living, web pages, groups, one's own reputation [image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s4.gif[/image] ) would seem contrary to more than one civilisation where slavery is common place.

nephandi -> RE: Builders or slaves (1/11/2010 2:10:22 PM)
Greetings Well one way to look at it is that it is simply cheaper to have free pepole do huge building projects for you. First off all you do not then need to take the time to get a slave trained to the point where he or she will not run away, you do not need allot of guards keeping watch. But more importantly, if a slave get sick or wounded you either kill the slave and loose their value and either have to capture and train or buy a new one, or you treat the slave's wounds spending resources on that and loose resources by not having the slave working. With a free worker if he or she get sick or wounded you send them from the workplace to fend for them self and just give their job to a new person, a person who want to be there to earn the small rewards offered for the work. Much more efficient, much more cheap. I wish you well

Malkinius -> RE: Builders or slaves (1/11/2010 11:13:47 PM)
Greetings Naturallurker.... This is not new news to some of us. After all those tombs were found more than a decade ago and the idea that many of the pyramids were built as public works projects during the times when people were not needed to plow, plant or harvest was suggested before that. While I am fairly certain there were some slaves involved in the building they may have mostly been in support roles rather than as the main laborers or craftsmen. The real answer is that we don't know for certain about all the the tombs. Most were probably mostly built by paid workers. I suggest that if you are interested in it you read back issues of KMT. Be well.... Malkinius

Naturallurker -> RE: Builders or slaves (1/12/2010 2:23:04 AM)
Hello Malkinius, Thank you for your suggestion, it isn't the newness of the discoveries that was of interest to me although I would reiterate quote: “This is the first time to uncover tombs like the ones that were found during the 1990’s, which belong to the late 4th and 5th Dynasties (2649-2374 BC),” Possibly signifying the widespread use of freemen's labour throughout several centuries. I suspect that the article is in the form of a press release regarding the new tombs discovered on the plateau, because these newly found tombs add to the body of evidence already gathered since the 1990 serendipitous discovery. What does interest me particularly is the possible perceived value placed on work done by free men as opposed to the value of that done by slave labour. I agree with you that we cannot be certain of anything short of the archaeologists discovering tallies of wages paid or slaves bought for purpose, we may never know. A perception which the good professor chose to include within the books, and yet we frequently see in online venues, such as this, men, who while claiming to follow the teaching in the books, attempt to augment their community standing using their slaves to "build" their petty monuments to ego (forums, webpages, artificial environments, reputations) While I have no doubt that there are a great number of very talented slaves out there, one does have to wonder about the man that allows (relies on) his slave to build his reputation [;)]

ZeIda -> RE: Builders or slaves (1/12/2010 3:28:19 AM)
Seems we currently have an example of this type of man on the board, as well as two topics full of drivel which show what good it does him. quote: ORIGINAL: Naturallurker While I have no doubt that there are a great number of very talented slaves out there, one does have to wonder about the man that allows (relies on) his slave to build his reputation [;)]

nephandi -> RE: Builders or slaves (1/12/2010 4:07:03 AM)
Greetings quote: While I have no doubt that there are a great number of very talented slaves out there, one does have to wonder about the man that allows (relies on) his slave to build his reputation A slave can not build a man's reputation. But a untrained, slave gone wild can definitely ruin allot of that reputation a man have built for himself. I wish you well

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