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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/15/2010 2:31:51 AM

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Greetings

Reading about the Gorean slave whips in the books always make me giggle, their description shows that Norman have no knowledge of, well whips. They are described as being five very thick, and I mean very thick two foot long leather strips. Now the slaves being whipped is described as howling in pain and being terrified of this whip, the problem is this that when one have so thick strips, I think it was about two inches, and five of them the whip get very heavy, and when it is then described that they are whipped so lightly that the whip leave no mark, then the whole thing get a bit silly. Five very thick strips would not hurt at all unless one hit hard enough to bruise for it would be actually blunt impact which would create any pain, not like with thinner blades in which one can have far more effect without using much force.

Added: It is not that a Gorean style whip would not work, however it would be heavy and blunt and one would have to use force to cause any pain. What I find silly in the books is that the girls are described as having no marks after the whip, when in fact such a whip would only cause pain when leaving marks, unless the girl had skin which would hardly ever bruise.

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/15/2010 6:58:10 AM

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Greetings candy,

while I was looking for quotes on Gorean whips (which I can't find online, sorry ruthie) I found another quote that you might like candy.

quote:

Magicians of Gor ~ p. 124

Excellent slaves are seldom beaten, for there is little, if any, reason to do so. To be sure, such a girl, particularly a love slave, occasionally desires to feel the stroke of the lash, wanting to feel pain at the hands of a beloved master, wanting to be whipped by him because she loves him, in this way symbolizing to herself her relationship to him, that of slave to master, her acceptance of that relationship, and her rejoicing in it.

I wish you well,

ishy

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/15/2010 9:52:05 AM

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Thank you Ishy, it was very kind of you to share that segment from the book Magicians of Gor. Yes its a very interesting indeed.
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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/15/2010 4:04:04 PM

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Greetings Nephandi....

I think that done properly it would be a lot more effective than you think. I don't have any great urge to use one and find out but it did look like a good leather working project for me. I don't have the quote at hand but when I was looking at making one I recall sizing them at about three feet long and about three inches wide for each blade. I think I was going to use eight to ten ounce or heavier leather. It would not sting. It would thud. It would be more like hitting someone with a slightly flexible board that is moving fast and packing a lot of mass. It will bruise and according to someone who made something like it, it can knock an unsupported person off their feet in one blow. Knock them across the room was the quote I recall. It would bruise but being somewhat flexible it would not break bones like a true board.

I haven't made one yet and I don't use a whip on slaves I have punished. I do have a belt that is about the proper width and long enough that when I double and redouble it gets to about the proper length. I can say from experience that it can bruise but it is not heavy enough to really move someone. I can also say that no slave has ever wanted to be struck with it a second time as serious punishment.

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/15/2010 4:56:49 PM

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Malkinius, i can't wrap my mind around a slave wanting, to be struck with the belt you describe a First time(as a serious punishment), let alone a second. Thats just my personal experience though.

Respectfully, candy

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/15/2010 5:51:56 PM

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Greetings

I have no doubt that such a whip can be made to hurt. What I am protesting is that it can do so and not bruise as it would thud. Leather is heavy and so wide blades of it would pack quite a punch, but it would either have to be used so gently that if one have normal pain tolerance, it would hardly hurt, or it would bruise.

No off course I can be mistaken. I have never used such a whip, nor have it used on me, however by all the knowledge I have, which may not be so great, you could not make such a device hurt unless one also bruise. Would be interesting to find out though.

I wish you well

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/15/2010 6:33:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

I have no doubt that such a whip can be made to hurt. What I am protesting is that it can do so and not bruise as it would thud. Leather is heavy and so wide blades of it would pack quite a punch, but it would either have to be used so gently that if one have normal pain tolerance, it would hardly hurt, or it would bruise.

No off course I can be mistaken. I have never used such a whip, nor have it used on me, however by all the knowledge I have, which may not be so great, you could not make such a device hurt unless one also bruise. Would be interesting to find out though.

I wish you well

Greetings Mistress,

I agree that a 5 blade made from heavier leather like you describe would cause a girl to be severally bruised, but it is possible to make and wield such a whip without causing bruises.

My Master uses a whip on me that fits the description of a Gorean 5 blade.
The leather he used is a fairly soft and light one though, nothing as heavy as what you describe.
It is because of this that this whip is very harmless when handled without a sufficient amount of strength, in my hands; it is pretty much a useless device. (Something that is also mentioned in the books, slave whips being only of use when applied with the strength of a man, the Free Women in the books generally used quirts or sticks or such.)

Anyways, the whip Master uses on me does not bruise me at all, the leather is too light for that, and I am who bruises very easily.
However, the whip does hurt beyond belief when he applies it with the strength that he does. It is a stinging pain, almost like a knife, and while it cannot knock you over from the blow, it is able to buckle my knees from the pain.
When Master is done beating me, my back is usually covered in red stripes. These marks disappear within a few hours though, and that whip has not left a bruise on me yet.

I wish you well,

ishy

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/15/2010 8:00:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Malkinius, i can't wrap my mind around a slave wanting, to be struck with the belt you describe a First time(as a serious punishment), let alone a second. Thats just my personal experience though.

Respectfully, candy

hi candy

instead of dealing with his silence, and his disappointment, the anger in his eyes and movements... sighs. there have been times i have begged to be beaten, preferring to deal with the physical pain instead of the emotional pain of knowing how deeply disappointed he was, hoping the pain takes away that edge from the emotional for us both.

well wishes

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/15/2010 8:07:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Malkinius, i can't wrap my mind around a slave wanting, to be struck with the belt you describe a First time(as a serious punishment), let alone a second. Thats just my personal experience though.

Respectfully, candy

hi candy

instead of dealing with his silence, and his disappointment, the anger in his eyes and movements... sighs. there have been times i have begged to be beaten, preferring to deal with the physical pain instead of the emotional pain of knowing how deeply disappointed he was, hoping the pain takes away that edge from the emotional for us both.

well wishes

tazzy

Tazzygirl Yes, there are different points of view on this. For me, there would ALWAYS be emotional pain involved, if i disappointed my Master, no matter how He chose to deal with it.

Respectfully, candy

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/17/2010 7:23:46 AM

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Greetings

My assumptions have to bow down to your experience ishy. Thank you for your information. I have to adjust my assumptions that the Gorean slave whip would not work. It would have been interesting to try such a whip out though and feel how it works on my body. And not because I am into BDSM, but because I have been interested in whips since I was a little girl when Simon Belmont from the Castlvania series was my big hero, and I just have a morbid curiosity about such things. Anyway thank you for the information.

I wish you well

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/18/2010 4:55:35 AM

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Still hoping for any info or links on Gorean whips and decorative style

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/18/2010 6:37:31 AM

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Hello Ruthie,

My suggestion is do the research for yourself, and if you choose to make whips that Gorean styled, do so from your own creativity based upon what you read from the books.

Goreans don't tend to respect free that are unwilling to do their own due diligence.

Take care,

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/18/2010 6:48:21 AM

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ruthie,

There's probably only a very small market, if any. Many Goreans aren't much interested in the "dress-up" aspects of the books, not everyone whips their girls, and those who do are often just as happy with a doubled-over belt (or similar handy implement).

Good luck.

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/18/2010 7:06:07 AM

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Greetings

In the books the whips are described as whips made of five, thick leather blades, I do not remember exactly how long but I think it was three feet in length or it might be two and a half, fairly long anyway. I remember something about them often being yellow. But if you search for Gorean whips on Google you should be able to find some quotes with more exact information.

I wish you well

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/18/2010 8:13:02 AM

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http://www.bdsm-gear.com/goreanfloggers.html

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/19/2010 10:38:09 PM

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thanks for the link etc

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/28/2010 5:21:42 AM

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http://www.swtchr2.com/product%20list.html

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/28/2010 5:24:18 AM

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ooops...out of practice here...yes, i was afraid that the long falls might not be effective enough in leather so am also doing it in rubber....it should be quite severe. i have done a 5 fall using paracord but it obviously doesnt fulfil the 'flat' criterion

Actually...paracord can ordered without the core or ironed flat. Maybe load and melt the ends and you'd have one hell of a mean toy.

Just sayin...

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/28/2010 4:36:54 PM

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quote:

But if you search for Gorean whips on Google you should be able to find some quotes with more exact information.

Greetings Mistress,

"Its handle was about eighteen inches long. It was white and trimmed with yellow beads. Depending from this handle, at one end, were five, pliant yellow straps, or lashes. Each was about two and a half feet long, and one and a half inches wide." Kajira of Gor ch3

Well wishes,
anna

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RE: GOREAN WHIPS - 1/29/2010 9:56:03 PM

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Put that one on the heap with the books description of branding, distance and acuracy of weapons, loss of bone density due to lower gravity, giant insects that "see" scent in the same way we speak, birds that can carry men, women who like to be raped, women who choose and like to be chattel, firing dematerialization guns in the house but not being able to kill big monsters with axes, the first book opens with priest kings bringing Tarl to gor so his father can use him in a plan, but his father has never met the priest kings, and we later find out, they could have simply leveled Ar and saved a bunch of books, um etc, etc, those are just the first that come to mind

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