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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/19/2010 6:16:04 AM   
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All of Bewitched is available on HULU.
"It was a little parable about how threatened men felt by women in the workforce and in the sexual revolution, I think. "
--Drifa
i've been watching tidbits of this all over again off and on. Drifa, you are so right. 
Then again, Samantha very clearly chooses that life, she chooses to follow Darrin's lead. Is there an element of feminism and even submission there, masked by the choice to be a traditional housewife, masked by the ridiculous . . .wrongness of subduing a natural ability?

i missed "I dream of Jeannie" for the most part.  Television, at my house, was an intermittent and fleeting thing. i vaguely recall thinking she wasn't very bright.  Maybe it was the ponytail and pantaloons.  If i ever have the chance, i'll watch a little.

Excuse me while i go daydream about Xena saving Mary Ann and the Professor from being trapped on the Island and then taking them all to Emma Peel's house for tea.  Oops, sorry, was that TMI?




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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/19/2010 6:25:38 AM   
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I wanted to work of NASA, and I would have done it different with my Jeanie...That was what I was thinking of the "poor Major".  

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/19/2010 6:35:30 AM   
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I remember coming home from kindergarten and watching "Bewitched" just before I took a nap...those where the days!  I loved Samantha because she always seemed to have the upper hand even though "Derwood" thought otherwise.  The cast of characters her side of the family brought into the mix made it even more grand..Endora, Serena and the nutty Aunt who never got her spells right.

"I Dream of Jeannie" was okay and I liked the living-in-a-bottle idea, could be a contributing factor to my "tiny house" fetish, but I didn't care for the show as much.  Not sure why as both female characters were fairly strong.  Funny thing, in both shows, in looking back, I think the male characters were flakes who really couldn't get it right without the bit of "female magic" the ladies provided.

And then there was Maude!!!!

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/19/2010 6:37:10 AM   
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Interesting how these TV shows affected us as we came into puberty.

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/19/2010 6:43:50 AM   
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even though the show was before my time as a child, I think Jennie was one of my first boyhood crushes when I was just starting to figure out what those emotions were. I loved the music, the story, the hi jinks, the zaniness of the characters. And as the OP said, I found that despite how powerful she was that she still called him master and treated him as such intriguing.

Bewitched was interesting, but I found it less appealing for a reason I cant recall.

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/19/2010 7:32:07 AM   
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Bewitched season 1-6 (44 gb) can be downloaded at The Pirate Bay. In the comments there is a link to seasons 7 and 8. Unfortunately I have used up my download allotment this month already.

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/19/2010 7:45:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Drifa

I can't even watch these shows today. The excruciating thing in both cases is that the male in both shows is so insecure in his own masculinity that he has to forbid the powerful woman from using HER powers, even when they would do him nothing but good.

It was a little parable about how threatened men felt by women in the workforce and in the sexual revolution, I think.



Whoa. This blows me away Dirfa. Very astute call. I think this was doubly true of Bewitched, as she not only was reining in her powers so that her husband could feel like he was "making it" for them (in their post-war suburban American Dream) without the aid of any artificial (supernatural) prosthesis, but Samantha was also on a purely mortal level the more capable of the two of them. Darrin was an all-round klutz and she ran circles around him socially, intellectually, and emotionally even before twitching her nose. Yet she still allowed him to feel, nominally, like "the one ruling the roost". The ultimate strong woman propping up a weak but I guess endearing man.

Now the question is, how conscious do you suppose the writers were of this parable aspect? I would assume that was the very point. In fact, they were expressing something bubbling in the culture already (it was the 60s, so all of that was in full swing). And I suspect even the old-school men of the time who watched these shows, even as they expressed some fretting at the new "uppity women" all around them, were secretly getting some relief, even catharsis, out of being subtly parodied in those shows. My theory is even the Ralph Kramdens (see The Honeymooners from a decade earlier) of the time were getting flat-out worn down by the tiring facade they had to put up all day pretending to know how to run everyone's life (let alone their own).

So, I'd suggest that at least Bewitched was actually greasing the skids for (or reflecting at least) what was going on in society. "Jeanie", I'm not as sure about. Major Nelson was not put forth as much as a ridiculous figure as Darrin. His only hapless moments in fact were when Jeanie's childish antics got him in tight spots. And he was at once solicitous but also condescending toward her (she was, after all, a slave in a bottle). Now that I think about it, Jeanie seemed like a bit more of a backlash piece. She definitely was reining in her powers (and to take her act in for even a moment, you knew what those powers really symbolized, yes) so the Major could keep his status quo thing going. Stay home and be sexy, but don't get in the way of my important patriarchal expression of manhood at the Pentagon, please.

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/19/2010 11:09:25 AM   
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All I know is Jeannie was a Belly Dancer, put that down on my list of fetishes.

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/20/2010 6:16:34 AM   
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Diana Rigg in the Avengers and Julie Newmar as Catwoman (was she 7 feet tall!) locked it in for me.

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/20/2010 12:02:54 PM   
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i 'm also one that found i dream of jeannie more entertaining. Bill Daily as major roger healey had an exceptional funny input and so where the rest of the casting crew protruding such naive and goofy scenes that the Jeannie played by the beautiful and sexy Barbara Eden was trully "out of the bottle"!! They say that finding a Jeannie would make someones life allot easier but this didnt happen in major nelsons case played by an exceptional actor as Larry Hagman who when on to cast in so many other film characters of the small screen with "Dallas" to become the one that he was most remembered by as the greedy and powerfull JR who rulled the oil world and the lives of the people in it. Along with Bill Daily's exeptionaly very funny way of the comedian role i remember the great F trooper Larry Storch who his image alone was enough to have one laughing out of control!! The play was set in a similar goofy and naeve set and of course who can forget "Get Smart" and Don Adams role as .... James bond in the American way but so talented and funny. They where born comedians and stamped there characters on the small screen and gave my childhood some great entertainment of tv! (i dont forget Giligans island either...)

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/20/2010 4:16:58 PM   
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Haha, I love "I Dream of Jeannie"!  Not because in my little 8 year old head, I want the tables to be turned on "Master", but I really liked the idea of the possession of a magical girl in a bottle.   (As a side note: does anybody remember C. Aguilera's "Genie In A Bottle"?)  It was an innocent thought back then but grown up now, I much like the idea that "Master" possesses Jeannie and she does whatever to please him!  

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/20/2010 7:16:57 PM   
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i remember Jeannie clearly, although i'm drawing a blank on the bbq episode. i remember Jeannie as being so pretty and i couldn't understand why "Master" didn't seem attracted to her. to think..., with just a blink and a nod she could have made him 6 inches high and trapped inside her panties! i didn't think about that at the time, but is sounds exciting now! time for one of those hollywood remakes of a classic tv series - but i'm sure they would find a way to ruin it.

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/20/2010 7:48:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Jeanie was definitely in charge of that house, even if she had a master. Samantha was subjugated and confined which is what Endora found intolerable, even though Endora also seemed to allow her errant husband (the letch) who was out of her life, rule on some things.
Those were fun shows but until now I never saw how sexist they presented themselves.

Now Batman.. WHEW.. lol that was kink! Predicament situations, hot women in tights, men with minions at their beck and call... fun stuff. And lets face it, any Catwoman looked great.


Yeah but ultimately Jeanie's Master would insist she fix things after she was busted for her misguided attempts at doing what she thought was right. She would pout and whine.. but let's face it HER ASS WAS BUSTED and she was FORCED to FIX her screw up's. At least this is the Moral of the story I always got from it. Ummmm.. I'm sitting here thinking about the confinement aspects of Bottles verses Cages. Talk about literally Putting a Cork in it. Then again corks and plugs have a lot in common. My mind is all over Kinksville here. Not to mention the visual expose to heavy dungeon torture devices that occurs in the series. How the hell can somebody not associate it with BDSM?

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/21/2010 9:28:41 AM   
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I preferred Jeannie's evil twin and Samantha's bad, bad cousin way more than those goody-goody blonds.  Catwoman on Batman was number one, though.

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/21/2010 9:43:23 AM   
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You know, I loved Bewitched.  It was so queer.  Very very gay... I mean heck, just about every actor on the show was gay - Darrin, Endora, the Doc, Uncle Arthur!  And she had to hide who she was to be seen as "normal" in society but then she had to in the end be true to herself.  I tell you it was all subterfuge to turn little straight children in to HO MO SECK CHU UHLS. 

I loved Aunt Claire... and *I too remember the If'n song*

Elizabeth Montgomery had "Pandora Spocks" put up as the name of who played Serena "Pandora's Box".  I love plays on words.


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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/21/2010 9:47:11 AM   
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I loved I Dream of Jeanie, and thought it was hot (even as a child) to hear her call him master.

BUT, my all time favorite was Wonder Woman.  Sexy, kicked ass, and confident - and she carried a whip.

With Jeanie and Wonder Woman as my heroes, is it any wonder I ended up a switch?

WinD

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/21/2010 9:51:26 AM   
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I liked both shows, but the show I really liked was the original Star Trek. For some reason, I found Captain Kirk totally Dominant and I fantasized all the time about him. He was an action figure plus romantic and funny and I was jealous as a little girl that he kissed ANYONE on the show that was not me!!!

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/21/2010 10:02:28 AM   
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Funny, I found Spock to be the sexier of the two.  Distant, cerebral and logical.  Tell me that isn't HOT (snickers)

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/21/2010 10:03:59 AM   
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Haha..I liked Spock was not hot for him, Kirk was dramatic and intense...sadly what I became attracted to.

Should have gone with cerebral. :)

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RE: "I dream of jeannie" vs. "bewitched&... - 1/21/2010 10:04:59 AM   
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o.O Fascinating..................

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