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Is separation key in Gorean philosophy? - 1/18/2010 7:48:44 PM   
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The people of Gor, like the people of Earth before industrialization, were born and live their lives in a relatively very small territory.  Also, as with agrarian, non-industrial societies, most of their labor force was employed in primary production of necessities for life.  This is one reason it is easy for small groups (villages and towns) to homogenize their philosophies, ideals and protocols among themselves but have great conflict with those in the next village or town.  This forum is an illustration of what happens when the intimacy of personal contact and the communal relationship that grows when one is exposed to the same group day in, day out is absent.  We each seem to be representative of our individual village or city and have great conflict with each other because of our differences.  I think many people do live a lifestyle close to what is illustrated in Gor, but a similarity many of these people have is that geographic separation (living usually in rural areas), and lack of communication outside of their own small groups.  As a side note, the posturing, rudeness and "contests" we see here, I imagine, correlate directly to the books descriptions of fairs.  So credit to the author for getting that right.

My question is:  Is that literal geographic separation and focus on primary life production key to reproduce the close bonds and cultures that we see presented in the books?  Also, from the standpoint of "what is Gorean philosophy", do you think that one should seek those more simple trades/castes that are described and seek to lead the "simple" life.
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RE: Is separation key in Gorean philosophy? - 1/28/2010 7:45:05 PM   
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You might be interested to read "Bowling Alone", which studies the breakdown of local community and voluntary organizations over the last few decades. Another good one in the same field is "The Lost City", which studies three neighborhood communities of 1950's Chicago and contrasts them with the modern day.

I don't see the nature of community as a key theme of the Gor novels, though.

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RE: Is separation key in Gorean philosophy? - 1/28/2010 9:06:30 PM   
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Culture decides what is truth, but truth, unfortunately for culture, is unaware of this. Cultures, mad and blind, can die upon the rocks of truth. Why can truth not be the foundation of culture, rather than its nemesis? Can one not build upon the stone cliffs of reality rather than dash one's head against them? But how few human beings can think, how few dare to inquire, how few can honestly question. How can one know the answer to a question which one fears to ask?
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My question is:  Is that literal geographic separation and focus on primary life production key to reproduce the close bonds and cultures that we see presented in the books?  Also, from the standpoint of "what is Gorean philosophy", do you think that one should seek those more simple trades/castes that are described and seek to lead the "simple" life.



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RE: Is separation key in Gorean philosophy? - 1/29/2010 9:38:13 PM   
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Sounds like liberal college/hippie crap.  It embodies the "nobody can think but me" fallacy.

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RE: Is separation key in Gorean philosophy? - 2/2/2010 12:39:03 PM   
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The people of Gor, like the people of Earth before industrialization, were born and live their lives in a relatively very small territory.  Also, as with agrarian, non-industrial societies, most of their labor force was employed in primary production of necessities for life.  This is one reason it is easy for small groups (villages and towns) to homogenize their philosophies, ideals and protocols among themselves but have great conflict with those in the next village or town.  This forum is an illustration of what happens when the intimacy of personal contact and the communal relationship that grows when one is exposed to the same group day in, day out is absent.  We each seem to be representative of our individual village or city and have great conflict with each other because of our differences.  I think many people do live a lifestyle close to what is illustrated in Gor, but a similarity many of these people have is that geographic separation (living usually in rural areas), and lack of communication outside of their own small groups.  As a side note, the posturing, rudeness and "contests" we see here, I imagine, correlate directly to the books descriptions of fairs.  So credit to the author for getting that right.

My question is:  Is that literal geographic separation and focus on primary life production key to reproduce the close bonds and cultures that we see presented in the books?  Also, from the standpoint of "what is Gorean philosophy", do you think that one should seek those more simple trades/castes that are described and seek to lead the "simple" life.



Nephilim;

Yes, I personally, think that for some, myself included, a return to a simpler Way would be a good thing. I think that indeed, a literal separation would be of much value for many.  I have lived in a large city most of my life, but in a few instances I had the opportunity to live in the wilder places. They have since called to me...calling me back to the land, so to speak.  I think that people have distanced themselves from the land and in doing so have distanced themselves from clear communication with each other - and their hearts.

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Qorvas

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RE: Is separation key in Gorean philosophy? - 2/2/2010 1:54:07 PM   
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Actually it is very well rooted in sociobiology. Basically we as people can create any culture we wish, with whatever limitations we wish, but human behavior will react to it, regardless of what we say.

It is not so much geographic isolation, or difficulty in travel between them, that created close bonds (though it may have helped), it is human behavior to be a community of some sort that moves it. By community it does not mean that everyone has to agree on anything other than, it is their community. The more removed individuals are from assisting and directing their community, the less sense of community they will have.

As far as living a simple life, that is a state of mind, and not what you do, that defines that.

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Sounds like liberal college/hippie crap.  It embodies the "nobody can think but me" fallacy.


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