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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 9:17:56 AM

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Come to think of it, he didn't capitalize "Gor" either.

If it was an intentional attack, it was a thorough one.

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 9:19:09 AM

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not etirely a gorean thing. consider: uncle hup, declaration of independence, plato's 'the republic', and so on. (what's wrong here?)

people, place, thing; a proper noun.

home stone? Home Stone? whjat yoo thing?

not a big deal for me either, but then i am apt to do crazy shit with the english language.

little lol.

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uncle hup, i hereby declare my independence from your republican grammar rules.

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 9:50:27 AM

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To be a platonic friend, one must have a penis (natural one most likely, wonder if there were exceptions), didn't you see when Harry met Sally?

Oh, and I am offended by the lack of capitalization in the usage of The Declaration of Independence. Does that need quotes or italics? and I am standing.

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 9:59:12 AM

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Tal,

And that was my entire point, Nephilim.

Uncle Hup
Declaration of Independence
Plato's 'The Republic'
Home Stone

and properly written it is either:

When Harry Met Sally, or; When Harry Met Sally (not for nothin', I suppose though.)

I really have no dog in the fight.

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 10:02:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: Nephilim

Camerius,

Do you find it difficult to type while standing? I assume that you are standing while discussing matters of honor. I see the answer to that as two possibilities. Either you stand whenever you enter a thread about honor and and type uncomfortibly while bending to the computer (which amuses me at the silliness of the thought), or you just chose to follow the formal rules when it suits you and allows you to be appear indignant. As a Gorean would never write the words "Home Stone" in english, why would one care about its capitalization? Home Stone is not a propper noun or title, it is an object. I could see the argument for The Home Stone of Ar. Also, the contraction or even hyphenation in phonetic speach which is reflected in online posting seems perfectly acceptible. Of course, I am no grammar expert, but I doubt that you are either. Ths sounds like another person being corrected for not using the proper onlinism.

Elisabella,

Doesn't "Gor" literally mean "Home Stone"? You know, since Gor is the Gorean word for Home Stone, wouldn't it be more acurate to Contract or use a single word in English as well such as homestone?

Yes, I DO find it difficult to type standing, since I'm some 6' 6" and as such it would be both not very practical as well as uncomfortable for me and my back. Non the less, I do NOT choose to "appear" to be indignant here, I truly AM indignated since this a matter, undertanding and object that I value very dearly and don't talk about or take lightly. I also don't "just chose to follow the formal rules when it suits you and allows you to be appear indignant. " if that is how you understand me or what I have written so far, then you're barking up the wrong tree.

I'm also very clear that it is an object, a very significant one as well, to me as well as to other Goreans. And no, the matter of Home Stone and it's (correct) spelling isn't an online-ism. It is as I wrote to Elisabella "To treat it with the kind of disregard and diminishing description you have used is seen as a disgrace to the meaning as well to the holder or holders OF that piece of rock, i.e you're insulting a Gorean concept as well as as the embodiment of something of very great importance to us.". This matters to Goreans, and very much so.

Whether or not you, personally, agrees with this is not relevant here. What IS relevant here is that the name and the object called Gor when translated to English is Home Stone and this is both told and spelled out to us by John Norman. It is dove clearly and even with a explanation of why this piece of rock is so special to Goreans. So, since it is a creation of John Norman, and he uses it explains the reasons and values for and off it, then it's a pretty safe bet that he knows best since he IS the Author, right?

Whether or not a Gorean would write it one way or another is pretty much besides the point here, we have it clearly pointed out to us that the way it is spelled as well as Capitalized is from the hand of John Norman and from that it is done as Home Stone. No other way.

That is what matters here along what that "object" embraces. That is to a Gorean, of cause.

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 10:05:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: Nephilim

What makes you a Gorean by observing forums and online conversations:

1. The ability to troll a forum, looking for an opportunity to "correct others".
2. The desire to allow any debate to dissemble to an argument about semantics and then penis measuring.
3. The love of online drama over introspection and adding anything to the world.
4. The ability to glance at others online and immediately know why they are deficient and certainly Not Gorean.
5. The innate ability to offend even the most passive of people and run off even the most sadistic.
6. The ability to be offended by any question or statement on an online forum, no matter how seemingly benign.
7. The ability to role-play, but be offended by the accusation of role-play. Basically a role-play where you must stay in-character at all costs.
8. The ability to take a wide latitude in the use of the word slave when applying to one's own sexual partners, but a very narrow definition when applying it to others.
9. Above all, to still have the desire to still self-identify as Gorean even with the above qualifications and appraisal by others finding your self-identification insufficient while others in a wider BDSM world judge you for being associated with people with the traits listed above.

This post seems to be the best answer so far. Maybe the OP was a troll.... maybe the OP should have used the "search" function more adequately. Maybe the OP needed some gentle guidance.

But without a doubt, the tendency to rip somebody a new asshole when they look for information is a phenomenal form of xenophobic behavior. "Home Stone" is a freaking *English translation* of a Gorean word (ie "word in a fictional language"). Is it an important concept, yes, to some. Does that importance vary widely? Yep, it does. (I actually read through some of the discussion threads on the topic myself and saw that many members of this forum who routinely *avoid* the "You're-Not-Really-Gorean-BitchSlap" treatment admit to not having a Home Stone....) And it would be a whole lot more *constructive* to explain the personal importance of something, rather than just flailing about like a child having a tantrum when their new neighbor doesn't kiss their favourite stuffed animal on the nose.

But I suppose it wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable. And the Gods know, being Gorean is all about hedonism, first and foremost. *sarcasm alert*

With all due respect, there is a definite tendency to attack the relatively minor things, and completely miss the boat with regards to actually addressing the OP. I *get* the whole "stranger/enemy" thing but for crying out loud...

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 10:27:45 AM

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quote:

It is as I wrote to Elisabella "To treat it with the kind of disregard and diminishing description you have used is seen as a disgrace to the meaning as well to the holder or holders OF that piece of rock, i.e you're insulting a Gorean concept as well as as the embodiment of something of very great importance to us."

Hi Camerius,

I wasn't treating the Home Stone with any sort of disregard or diminishing description, I wasn't even discussing the Home Stone so much as I was discussing the importance of writing it a certain way.

To put it another way, are Muslims who read the Qur'an more devout than Muslims who read the Koran?

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 10:37:46 AM

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As long as this thread is going to continue to assemble flawed analogies and linguistic litanies--

Nothing "makes" anyone a Gorean.

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 11:38:19 AM

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Elisabella,

Your

quote:

That's actually a good question, I've never understood why people get upset when people write Home Stone as "homestone."

is what triggered my

quote:

To treat it with the kind of disregard and diminishing description you have used is seen as a disgrace to the meaning as well to the holder or holders OF that piece of rock, i.e you're insulting a Gorean concept as well as as the embodiment of something of very great importance to us.

response.

I also didn't say that you did treat the Home Stone with either disregard or diminishing description, but by the way it is done, such as you described by writing "homestone", then it is treated as such. Follow me?

I wish you well,

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 11:51:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: D221

I just started reading the gor books and noticed that I had lot of the same philosophies as the book. I would like to learn more and take part in the lifestyle but I don't really care about it's protocols or customs like homestones or slave positions, I'm just interested in philosophy and making that a part of my life.

I'm still waiting for Norman to write me into one of the books and then I'll feel confident that I am in fact a Gorean.

Until which time I suspect I shall remain an Iowegian man with Gorean philosophical underpinnings.

I think that underpinning shit is just fuckin' hilarious.

I hope the OP is able to deduce my ideas through a bit of bravado and sarcasm.

If not just imagine this, be true to yourself, live as the man, woman or even beast you are, apply the values, principles and/or tennets you feel important and if in that you feel Gorean or are somehow mistaken as one by others, then that is quite possibly who or what you just might be. Apart from that all you'll ever be is an opinion of an idea.

Good luck, and by the way, on this journey of yours, you might want to stop and smell the flowers, admire a mountain, listen to the ocean winds and sample the flavor of a woman/man or whatever taste floats your boat.

cheers,

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 12:13:11 PM

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Elisabella,

There is no need to play down your insult, you are a free woman, and obviously don't share a "Home Stone" with Camerius. It would be a far more "Gorean" thing to do to piss on his homestone than to explain that you meant no offense. There is no backing in the books for someone having respect for anyone else's Home Stone. You are using weak Earth conflict avoidance techniques rather than telling him to piss off and your city would kick his cities ass. You only need to tread lightly if you are within his sphere of influence which with most "Goreans" doesn't extend beyond their own mind.

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 12:21:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nephilim

Elisabella,

There is no need to play down your insult, you are a free woman, and obviously don't share a "Home Stone" with Camerius. It would be a far more "Gorean" thing to do to piss on his homestone than to explain that you meant no offense.

No, it wouldn't.

quote:

There is no backing in the books for someone having respect for anyone else's Home Stone.

Yes, there is.

quote:

You are using weak Earth conflict avoidance techniques rather than telling him to piss off and your city would kick his cities ass. You only need to tread lightly if you are within his sphere of influence which with most "Goreans" doesn't extend beyond their own mind.

Clearly, this description applies to you. This post also shows that despite reading a few books, you've missed the Home Stone concept entirely. Previous posts in this forum indicate the same thing. You get that it's a rock. That's where you stopped thinking.

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 12:57:14 PM

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So.... um.. what was the original question again? *swiftly goes back into hiding...*

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 12:59:24 PM

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First I'd like to thank AnimusRex, Aramis, Elisabella and especially Nephilim for you answers. Now what I asked was rather a simple question about what it means to be a gorean wanting to know more about it's philosophy but rather than getting a straight answer a lot of you were more concern with capitalizations. What interested me about the gorean ways is that in the story Gor was a place were people lived and died by their word and honor unlike our modern society were a persons' word don't mean a god damn thing. So I want to ask this to ElizabethAnne, Camerius and Musicmystery, if they would sacrifice their own lives to protect a Home Stone if I put a gun to your heads and threaten take it from you and I don't mean this in the context of the story as if you were actually living on Gor, I mean in your real life where you're living now (I know some people actually do have homestones).

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 1:08:11 PM

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quote:

So I want to ask this to ElizabethAnne, Camerius and Musicmystery, if they would sacrifice their own lives to protect a Home Stone if I put a gun to your heads and threaten take it from you and I don't mean this in the contents of the story as if you were actually living on Gor, I mean in your real life where you're living now (I know some people actually do have homestones).

Answering for myself alone, yes, I would protect my own Home Stone with my very life, as well as the Home Stone of my community.

I wish you well,

Camerius

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 1:57:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Camerius

Elisabella,

Your
quote:

That's actually a good question, I've never understood why people get upset when people write Home Stone as "homestone."

is what triggered my
quote:

To treat it with the kind of disregard and diminishing description you have used is seen as a disgrace to the meaning as well to the holder or holders OF that piece of rock, i.e you're insulting a Gorean concept as well as as the embodiment of something of very great importance to us.
response.

I also didn't say that you did treat the Home Stone with either disregard or diminishing description, but by the way it is done, such as you described by writing "homestone", then it is treated as such. Follow me?

I wish you well,

Camerius

Hi Camerius,

Yes...I did kinda wonder if that was what you meant but my initial reading was the other way, which I responded to.

Much clearer :)

I wish you well,
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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 2:00:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: D221

First I'd like to thank AnimusRex, Aramis, Elisabella and especially Nephilim for you answers. Now what I asked was rather a simple question about what it means to be a gorean wanting to know more about it's philosophy but rather than getting a straight answer a lot of you were more concern with capitalizations.

Ohhhh, you wanted spoon fed just what you wanted us to say. Or did you intend to get a bunch of dialogue back and forth for your entertainment. WWell, from me you got as good of an answer as you had earned. You ask a general question you get the answers you inspire. So count yourself fortunate that I chose to respond at all.

quote:

What interested me about the gorean ways is that in the story Gor was a place were people lived and died by their word and honor unlike our modern society were a persons' word don't mean a god damn thing. So I want to ask this to ElizabethAnne, Camerius and Musicmystery, if they would sacrifice their own lives to protect a Home Stone if I put a gun to your heads and threaten take it from you and I don't mean this in the context of the story as if you were actually living on Gor, I mean in your real life where you're living now (I know some people actually do have homestones).

Again it looks to me as if you got the type of answers you asked for. You seen Goreans doing as Goreans do, just because they didn't choose to entertain you with some long winded response that some of us can be guilty of does not mena you went unanswered, in fact I feel you got more than you deserved.

Now after reading your second post and noting you discounted and in fact spit on anything that was said by those that found you lacking I'd have to continue by adding the following:

Kiss my ass!!! Gorean enough for you?

And no I wouldn't die for some homestone. But I'd damn sure consider killing for the people and principles that my Home Stone represents!!!

Direct any further questions to my feet, smartass.

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 2:00:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nephilim

Elisabella,

There is no need to play down your insult, you are a free woman, and obviously don't share a "Home Stone" with Camerius. It would be a far more "Gorean" thing to do to piss on his homestone than to explain that you meant no offense. There is no backing in the books for someone having respect for anyone else's Home Stone. You are using weak Earth conflict avoidance techniques rather than telling him to piss off and your city would kick his cities ass. You only need to tread lightly if you are within his sphere of influence which with most "Goreans" doesn't extend beyond their own mind.

Hi Nephilim,

At no point in time did I intend to insult Camerius, his Home Stone, his city or his nation. I have respect for him as a person and I have enough respect for myself to not go around and tell people "this thing you value enough to die for is shit" (and for the record, no I don't think the concept of a Home Stone is shit, I was just saying that even if I did, I wouldn't go up to him and say it)

I would rather back down when my words are interpreted wrong, than keep pushing ahead defending something I don't even believe just because I can.

I wish you well,
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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 2:45:38 PM

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So.... um.. what was the original question again? *swiftly goes back into hiding...*

It's being discussed. Watch, and you may learn something.

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RE: What makes you a gorean? - 1/27/2010 2:53:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: D221

First I'd like to thank AnimusRex, Aramis, Elisabella and especially Nephilim for you answers. Now what I asked was rather a simple question about what it means to be a gorean wanting to know more about it's philosophy but rather than getting a straight answer a lot of you were more concern with capitalizations. What interested me about the gorean ways is that in the story Gor was a place were people lived and died by their word and honor unlike our modern society were a persons' word don't mean a god damn thing. So I want to ask this to ElizabethAnne, Camerius and Musicmystery, if they would sacrifice their own lives to protect a Home Stone if I put a gun to your heads and threaten take it from you and I don't mean this in the context of the story as if you were actually living on Gor, I mean in your real life where you're living now (I know some people actually do have homestones).

Is it that you don't understand, or don't want to understand? You're still talking about a rock. We're talking about the concept of Home Stone and its central importance to understanding Gor. Perhaps you just don't like the answers, as they're different from what you were expecting.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

Home Stone threads

Read. This has been explained and discussed several times. You want your question answered, here it is.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Camerius

Answering for myself alone, yes, I would protect my own Home Stone with my very life, as well as the Home Stone of my community.

I wish you well,

Camerius

And if you understood Home Stone as Camerius does, you would do the same.

As for the rest...I think Bull has this already well-covered.

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

Now after reading your second post and noting you discounted and in fact spit on anything that was said by those that found you lacking I'd have to continue by adding the following:

Kiss my ass!!! Gorean enough for you?

And no I wouldn't die for some homestone. But I'd damn sure consider killing for the people and principles that my Home Stone represents!!!

Direct any further questions to my feet, smartass.

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