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Spyke1985 -> To the general poly public... (1/27/2010 11:17:05 PM)

I have a bit of a question, or perhaps even a problem to pose to all of you.

I have two pets in my household; one is my fiancee and the other is his pet, which I allowed him to collar under me.
I do not play with my fiancee's pet, as his pet is gay, and I've no interest in forcing myself upon him in such a manner.
However, I do have quite a large interest in owning a female pet/sub/slave, just as he owns his male pet.
My problem comes in here, as I am extremely picky on the type of girl I would like to have. (My specifications, as it were, are on my profile, they're too long to list here without making a mile long post)
I'm wondering if perhaps I am being too picky, or if my preferences are too specific or possibly even intimidating?
I used to receive hundreds of messages a day on here, but since my new profile went up, though I've had many profile views, I've had not one reply, even though many of the girls that viewed my profile would have suited me well enough.

The problem is, everything said on my profile is the absolute truth. I didn't sugar coat anything, I didn't make any physical requirements (aside from that I prefer the girl to not be blond..... it's a personal preference between myself and my fiancee, neither of us like blond hair - go figure), and I spoke nothing but the truth when speaking about my family and what kind of girl I am looking for.

Perhaps people cannot stand to see so much truth at once? Or did I miss something? Is the world truly so polluted  with lies that the truth is now shocking?

I digress....

In any case, I would love it if I could have some feedback on the words in my profile, so I can perhaps understand what shocks people so when they read it.

Thank you.

Mistress Spyke




petmonkey -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/27/2010 11:46:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Spyke1985
I'm wondering if perhaps I am being too picky, or if my preferences are too specific or possibly even intimidating?
I used to receive hundreds of messages a day on here, but since my new profile went up, though I've had many profile views, I've had not one reply, even though many of the girls that viewed my profile would have suited me well enough.

Mistress Spyke



Mistress Spyke,
Perhaps contacting those prospects who viewed Your profile and seemed suitable would be useful.  Telling them that You wish to start a dialogue might be welcomed by a shy person. The wording in Your profile is, indeed, aggressive.  Some may find this titillating but feel too intimidated to send that initial message.
May You find what You seek,
Zx4500's pet, monkey




Spyke1985 -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/27/2010 11:56:08 PM)

I have indeed tried contacting them and received no response, that is why I posted this.
If it was merely that an aggressive profile received no response, and I'd made no efforts on my own to contact the parties who viewed it, I wouldn't be nearly as baffled.
This is not the case, so I truly am a bit baffled.




NihilusZero -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/28/2010 12:56:21 AM)

So you're asking what, in lieu of honest disclosure, you should be doing to get a hit?




Elisabella -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/28/2010 6:13:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spyke1985

I'm wondering if perhaps I am being too picky, or if my preferences are too specific or possibly even intimidating?
I used to receive hundreds of messages a day on here, but since my new profile went up, though I've had many profile views, I've had not one reply, even though many of the girls that viewed my profile would have suited me well enough.


They were probably turned off by your profile.

quote:

The problem is, everything said on my profile is the absolute truth. I didn't sugar coat anything, I didn't make any physical requirements (aside from that I prefer the girl to not be blond..... it's a personal preference between myself and my fiancee, neither of us like blond hair - go figure), and I spoke nothing but the truth when speaking about my family and what kind of girl I am looking for.


Both of the following statements are truth:

*I seek only a bisexual brunette or redheaded woman (sorry blondes!) who is polyamorous, who is into bondage and humiliation, who is willing to work to contribute to the household (financially or domestically) who is seeking a primary relationship with me and a strong possibility of a secondary relationship with my husband. Also, I am full figured with no plans to diet, so I hope you have an attraction to the curvy ladies.

*I seek a woman who isn't a fugly ass blonde, or a lazy slut, you're going to work here and if you don't like it fuck off, I'll break up with you in a heartbeat if you use illegal drugs but if you don't like the fact that my husband and I use a lot of legal drugs you're just a boring bitch. I'm going to let my husband use you and bite you if I feel like it and I don't really give a shit if you like it or not. By the way, I'm fat, and if you don't like that fuck off.

quote:

Perhaps people cannot stand to see so much truth at once? Or did I miss something? Is the world truly so polluted  with lies that the truth is now shocking?


The problem isn't speaking the truth. The problem is your hostile, overly aggressive attitude that seeps through your profile.

There is nothing in your profile that would attract a person to your situation, or show why they would want to bother with you. It was all about what you wanted, and your demands, which is a valid relationship dynamic, but the sheer level of disrespect for any potential disagreement or incompatibility honestly would make me recoil from the ball of negativity that you appear to be.

I'm not saying you are a negative, aggressive person, but the words you chose in your profile are both of those things, and as I showed above it's possible to sacrifice aggression without sacrificing truth.




KnightofMists -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/28/2010 8:10:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spyke1985


Perhaps people cannot stand to see so much truth at once? Or did I miss something? Is the world truly so polluted  with lies that the truth is now shocking?




or perhaps is the manner in which such truth is communicated! I would also stated that the manner you have communicated says a few things you didn't stated... and that might be a truth that you fail to listen to yourself.




AquaticSub -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/28/2010 8:21:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Spyke1985

I used to receive hundreds of messages a day on here, but since my new profile went up, though I've had many profile views, I've had not one reply, even though many of the girls that viewed my profile would have suited me well enough.

I hate to state the obvious but...
 
So message them.
quote:



Perhaps people cannot stand to see so much truth at once? Or did I miss something? Is the world truly so polluted  with lies that the truth is now shocking?



Unlikely.

I'm currently at the third paragraph and I would have left your profile already because you tell others to sod off so many times. It's just so hostile that I would expect you to be a hostile person as well and that isn't attractive to me.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with saying "I am X, Y, and Z and that is how thingsare" but maybe grouping them all together and then saying sod off or just saying "Then we aren't a match" might be better.

Unless, of course, you are a hostile person and then you should leave it because then the only responses you get will be from people who are into that.

To me the profile comes off as more harshly blunt than straightford and truthful, which would again put me off as I have no interest in that. I prefer tactful honestly with a care towards people's feelings.

The way you talk about your husband would DEFINATELY have me stop reading. Of course, if it's true there is nothing to be done about it but I have no interest being around any guy who is 28 and acts 16. I particularly have NO interest in being around anyone who bites as a show of affection and I have to "get used to it". I like being bitten, Val and I bite each other as a show of affection but we know when NOT to bite. Sounds like this guy doesn't.

Again the "world of hurt" thing sounds so... hostile and defensive. I wouldn't want to get anywhere near that relationship.

The "get a job you damn lazy slut" would be a huge no-no. I love being called slut, whore, cunt etc. but you don't even know me so... no. The fact that you use it in the profile tells me you'd probably use it speaking to me way before I'm comfy.

Honestly, I don't see anything what you are offering. You mention cuddles and love but I confess I don't really believe it given the hostile and angry tones. I really don't see much to entice anyone unless they are very specifically into that.




AquaticSub -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/28/2010 8:22:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Spyke1985

I have indeed tried contacting them and received no response, that is why I posted this.
If it was merely that an aggressive profile received no response, and I'd made no efforts on my own to contact the parties who viewed it, I wouldn't be nearly as baffled.
This is not the case, so I truly am a bit baffled.



To be fair to them...

If you messaged me, it would take one of hell of a message to get more than a "thanks but no thanks" once I saw your profile.




LillyoftheVally -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/28/2010 9:56:53 AM)

Firstly here you say he is your fiancee yet at the start of your profile you say he is your husband, are you unsure which is which? Sorry that was snarky but that is the mood that your profile put me in, it was aggressive/hostile/nasty I have never nor would never join a relationship with someone who refuses to change at all for anyone, in a poly situation you have to be able to adapt to incorporate people you talk about what you don't want and not about what you would bring to another persons life, other than high blood pressure.

If I got a message from you, judging your profile as the type of message you would send, I wouldn't reply.

Again all personal stuff, but the word hostile has appeared many many times in this thread.




NihilusZero -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/28/2010 10:56:25 AM)

Wow. I hadn't even looked at the profile when I first responded...




LaTigresse -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/28/2010 11:04:00 AM)

What Elisabella, KoM, and Aqua already said.

RE: point # 10, I think the word 'slightly' might be an understatement.




persephonee -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/28/2010 1:55:49 PM)

Well, that was fun.




CaringandReal -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/28/2010 5:19:03 PM)

Ok, I'll give this a try. Even if I was looking for exactly what you offer (I'm not but I could be someday) and thought you very cute (which I do) and was attracted to the dynamics of your household as you describe them (which I am), and was age-appropriate, I would never dare write you, ever. I'd be scared I'd be blasted to smithereens if I did because you sound so very, very, angry in your profile. You may not have felt angry writing it, but that is the impression it gives. The thought of writing someone who wrote what you wrote scares the living daylights out of me.

Here's how you can fix it:

Fluffy paragraph: first two sentences are fine. The rest is overkill and kind of off-putting, it makes you sound angry even if you are not. Kill the rest of the paragraph.

Pagan paragraph: first two sentences fine. Kill the rest. It's hostile. There's no need to state it, the fools are still going to write and argue with you, and the people who are cool with it, again, are going to get the impression that you're angry at THEM, that you're accusing them. I know you're not accusing the good readers, when I think about it rationally, but if I were one of those readers I would still feel your anger directed at me and be afraid to approach you.

Strong Will paragraph: Kill half of it. Starting with "So do not reply..." Again, that never stops the fools from replying, but it does serve to make the really cool submissives want to run and hide from you. Again it sounds like you're accusing your reader personally of being this way. Talking about yourself is fine, it's when you start implying what your readers are like that you get into trouble, as people apply what they read personally to themselves.

Two Pets Paragraph: 1. Kill "and if you don't like me playing with my husband, you can get the hell off this profile." Same reasons as above. The people who would never do such a thing will read your profile and think you are accusing them of it, or suspect they will do it before you even meet them, and this will scare them off. 2. Change "so you don't have to worry about that pet playing with you" to "so that pet will not be playing with you." The first wording implies you know what the reader is thinking or worrying about. You don't, and it's mildly insulting, particularly to someone intelligent.

Straightforward paragarph: Change "If you are not, please leave this profile. We have ZERO room for liars, drama-momma's, and psychos in our group" to "We are strongly interested in someone with similar values." Same reasons as above. The assholes never read or listen, the good people are going to think you're already suspecting them of the most henious thoughts and not want to get near you.

Cuddly paragraph: Kill the part that starts with "If you do not like..." all the way to the end of the paragraph. It's Ok to replace that part with something else positive, like "We're looking for someone who finds the idea of sleeping this way irresistable."

Movie Watchers paragraph: kill the last sentence. or replace with "If you enjoy any of these things as well, please let me know in your reply."

Puppy paragraph: Take out the "get used to it sentence." Everything you've said up to that point implies this, so saying it, again, just adds to the hostility impression. Oh, and most definitely kill that last sentence. Again, it's both hostile and insulting to the intelligence/sensibilities of the people you want to attract. It also, to be frank, makes you sound a little insecure. Don't worry about the jerks--you can't prevent them from swarming by anything you say in your profile. Just deal with them as you will when they do come knocking. Again, peopel with good hearts are going to think you expect them to act like total shits, and they aren't going to want to risk getting to know you if you seem that touchy.

Java paragraph: kill the last sentence. It helps one's cause not to overly threaten the people one hopes to attract. ;)

Blondes paragraph: Clarify whether you'd accept a natural blonde who dyed her hair another color.

6. Work paragraph: (a) Delete "the Get a damn job you lazy..." sentence. Why are you assuming someone is lazy, someone you've never met? That is what your readers will be asking, and some of them may be people who work much harder than you do. (b) It's unclear whether you are offering full-time housemaid/housework as a viable alternative to a money-earning job, because you are so sarcastic about it. Some of us will have no trouble doing that level of physical housework daily, some might even relish it, so it would be better if you take that part out if you don't mean it. If you need your potential submissive to bring in money, just say so directly without this confusing side trail.

7. is nice. :) Actually, a lot of what you write is very attractive, if you take out the parts I've indicated. Don't worry about attracting more trolls and creeps. No matter what you write (I've experiemented with all sorts of profile styles), they will still come. So you might as well write something that attacts the people you do want to meet.

8. My property paragraph: Take out the words "Must be able to understand that" - it's insulting.

9. drugs paragraph: Leave it exactly the way it is. This is one case where a very hard-nosed style is important. If you change the rest of your profile to remove the harsh bits, this paragraph will stand out in stark relief to the rest and will be noticed more. Right now, because most of your paragraphs are harsh, this one gets lost among them all. And you don't want this point to get lost.

10. Wild paragraph: kill "and I'm sorry..." It's funny but it adds to the hostility impression. Maybe if you delete all the other hostile stuff, that would work. Not sure though, I'd need to see the rewrite.

Last paragraph: oh! you weren't being sarcastic with the housework option. Ok, then...

6. Work Paragraph: in addition to what I wrote above, delete "Think that's a little too much?" to the end of the paragraph. While not openly hostile, it makes it a little confusing as to whether you'd seriously entertain a house slave.

In general...

It's OK to demand and expect a lot but overall, I think it would help your cause to say more about what you offer to others. Yes, that is implied in some of what you said, but it helps attract others if you make it clearer. Your household is well established everyone knows and like everyone else in it and a newcome is going to wonder if she will be accepted or liked. It'll feel kind of like breaking into a closed clique, because you make it so clear you all get along so well. Telling a potential submissive that she'll loved or at least warmly accepted/regarded, or made a part of everything wouldn't hurt. And, are you open to learning about her interests? Maybe she'd have some fascinating ones you could add to your list of fun things that you do. Your profile, once rid of the hostile bits, will appeal strongly to those looking for a family. I'm sure you can trust yourself to weed out those that won't make good members of your family, so there's really no need to try to do the weeding beforehand. Those that are inappropriate to begin with never weed themselves out. Those that are a spectacularly good fit for you will, because they will be sensitive to the undercurrent of hostility that your words seem to convey.

















petmonkey -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/28/2010 10:38:08 PM)

Serious kudos for your detailed message, CaringandReal.




Spyke1985 -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/29/2010 3:37:46 AM)

Ok well that all makes allot of sense. I hadn't looked at the profile from a different perspective than the o e I wrote it in. I can indeed see how it would be more than mildly hostile, now that I look at it from that perspective. Thank you all for your input, I'm sorry for putting more than a few in a less than pleasant mood, it wasn't my original intention. I'll rewrite it then, when I'm not stuck on this iPod, and perhaps I'll be more able to provide an accurate account of my family, without making us all seem like the hooligans and sickos we obviously have been observed as. No, my fiancée does not bite like a rabid, mindless animal. I suppose I should have been more clear about that... I posted the bit about him biting only to tease him in the first place, but apparently it got out of hand. Most of everything I was trying to say got out of hand, I suppose.

Also yes, thank you very much for your detailed response, CaringandReal; it was a kinder response than the profile deserved, as is evidenced by the rest of the replies.

In any case, I'm sorry your eyes had to be put through such brutal torture, I shall attempt to make a more palatable profile soon. In the meantime the original profile will be gone.
Thank you all for your time and comments, at least they were truthful.




Spyke1985 -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/29/2010 4:40:25 AM)

Also, Elisabella, I'm curious as to where in that profile I stated that my family does use drugs??? I didn't make the statement of preferring that the potential addition not using any hardcore drugs as a statement of hypocrisy. We don't use hardcore drugs, nor will we ever.





Spyke1985 -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/29/2010 4:57:48 AM)

Alright, profile adjusted and updated. Let me know what you think. Should be a vast improvement over the last profile; similar in requirements, but far less aggressive in tone. I'll be updating it more later in detail to include some other information, but it will also be fiercely regulated in it's tone, so nobody should have any worries about their eyes being assaulted again anytime soon by my profile. :)

Thanks again A/all, I do appreciate the comments.




CaringandReal -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/29/2010 5:10:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Spyke1985

Ok well that all makes allot of sense. I hadn't looked at the profile from a different perspective than the o e I wrote it in. I can indeed see how it would be more than mildly hostile, now that I look at it from that perspective. Thank you all for your input, I'm sorry for putting more than a few in a less than pleasant mood, it wasn't my original intention. I'll rewrite it then, when I'm not stuck on this iPod, and perhaps I'll be more able to provide an accurate account of my family, without making us all seem like the hooligans and sickos we obviously have been observed as. No, my fiancée does not bite like a rabid, mindless animal. I suppose I should have been more clear about that... I posted the bit about him biting only to tease him in the first place, but apparently it got out of hand. Most of everything I was trying to say got out of hand, I suppose.

Also yes, thank you very much for your detailed response, CaringandReal; it was a kinder response than the profile deserved, as is evidenced by the rest of the replies.

In any case, I'm sorry your eyes had to be put through such brutal torture, I shall attempt to make a more palatable profile soon. In the meantime the original profile will be gone.
Thank you all for your time and comments, at least they were truthful.


I "got" the teasing about the biting. ;) Just dump a smiley face at the end of that paragraph, it'll make it clear to the humor-impaired. Although some cases are so far gone that they wouldn't know a joke even if you shot a gun and a flag came out its end that said "JK!"

Also, it wasn't brutal torture...although if you're offering.... ;) I'm an editor, and I saw this as a breeze of a assignment. There was only one basic problem with the writing and it repeated, so all that was needed was to point out the pattern. Most copy I edit (including my own, sigh) has about 25 basic problems with the writing.

For what it's worth, you guys don't seem the least bit sick or hooligan at all. I don't know how anybody would read that into what you wrote. You struck me as a charming and very fun and sexy family to be around. But I've had a lot of experience with many of the things you described, particularly the intimate friendships and unusually creative dynamics involved. I know how wonderful they are and I believe the person you want to attract will realize it immediately when they read your profile. It's so rare to see this sort of thing in a personal ad. :)

It makes sense to me that this could have been written under a bad mood. I often turn out similar stuff when I'm pissed off at something else. I call it mood-related writing, and when I notice the next day or so that I've done it, I usually delete it.

Good luck to you and don't take any negative feedback too hard. Remember, a lot of people can't help but take this personally, even though you are not talking about them. It's a pretty powerful piece of writing, as evidenced by the way it's affecting others. Writing like this can be a very useful tool when circumstances require such an approach.




CaringandReal -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/29/2010 5:12:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: petmonkey

Serious kudos for your detailed message, CaringandReal.



Thank you petmonkey! :) I do this for a living, so it's like a dog scratching fleas. It comes naturally. ;)




Spyke1985 -> RE: To the general poly public... (1/29/2010 5:17:01 AM)

Yes it was an amazing response actually, it was the only truly clear and concise iteration of how the profile could be if I'd taken the time to rewrite it. And I did, and actually followed your suggestions almost to a T, so thank you very much! :) If you could re-read the profile now that I've updated it and provide any feedback, I'd love to read it :)




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