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RE: The juncture of submission and companionship - 2/4/2010 8:31:31 PM   
Cherylmazana


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Hi Bull, yes my question was a bit frivolous I didn’t think that the impression I received was what you meant but many times I have seen people here take what is written on Gorean forums and come to the conclusion that Goreans go around enslaving unwilling women and no woman is safe meeting a Gorean man because he is likely to strip, bind and then collar her if she so much as laughs at the wrong time. So I thought I would clarify so there could be no misunderstandings.

However shunning or having nothing to do with women who are frauds, or who claim to be one thing but are obviously something else makes sense. Face stripping to show the lies behind the veils is indeed a way to make someone metaphorically naked. The problem is that while you can strip away veils to show others, is it possible to strip away enough so that they can see as well?

Cheryl

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RE: The juncture of submission and companionship - 2/4/2010 8:36:45 PM   
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quote:

no woman is safe meeting a Gorean man because he is likely to strip, bind and then collar her if she so much as laughs at the wrong time


Quite right--that's silly, of course.

We'd strip, bind and collar her if she laughs at the right time too.




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RE: The juncture of submission and companionship - 2/5/2010 5:27:57 AM   
Cherylmazana


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And some people say we have no sense of humour here

Cheryl

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RE: The juncture of submission and companionship - 2/5/2010 8:09:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

no woman is safe meeting a Gorean man because he is likely to strip, bind and then collar her if she so much as laughs at the wrong time


Quite right--that's silly, of course.

We'd strip, bind and collar her if she laughs at the right time too.






We even do it with her not laughing at all....we might however do that instead, come to think of it.


I wish you well,

  Camerius


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RE: The juncture of submission and companionship - 2/5/2010 1:20:22 PM   
Arturas


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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Well, well, well the Jester speaks!

Arturus, your sworn statements, opinions and promises hold as much weight with me as a three foot squared unit of empty space.

Frankly I don't expect the likes of you to comprehend a damn thing I say, it's apparent to some of us that the Gorean philosophy is knowledge that, even in small measures well exceeds your pay grade. In fact it could be surmised that your post quoted below was a pathetic attempt of a drama queen to secure some much needed attention.

To the point, Cheryl is a rather astute individual and with reference to the Gorean philosophy she does better then some, in fact she maintains a level of understanding that I doubt you'll ever come to know. That being said, and considering the discussions I've had with her on past occasions she knows good and well I wasn't implying what she asked; so even if her question wasn't frivolous or just simply snarky it was little more than a rhetorical mention.

So do yourself a favor and cease with the self-mutilation of your own character and reputation.

Furthermore I assure you that this is a battlefield you are ill-equiped to negotiate, though the possibility does exist that you simply have a humiliation fetish.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Greetings Bull,

I'm sorry, I swore to myself I would never post here again, but you absolutely crack me up. I cannot believe you honestly said..."But to respond to your frivilous question directed at me I'll say..." to someone doing an honest post, to Cheryl specifically? I've seen her posts before and there is nothing frivilous about them.

And like Cheryl, I had to read your post about three times trying to descern your idea. I finally gave up and decided you were drinking when you wrote this, and that is OK, just so everyone realizes this.

You do crack me up! I promise not to post again if you promise not to drink and post at the same time.

Be well,
Arturas




Tal Bull(shit),

quote from your post to her: "But to respond to your frivilous question directed at me I'll say," ...
 
quote to me: : "That being said, and considering the discussions I've had with her on past occasions she knows good and well I wasn't implying what she asked; so even if her question wasn't frivolous or just simply snarky it was little more than a rhetorical mention".

That is a strange sentence back to me also. 
 
Now you insult everyone here reading this by denying what you clearly did say. 
Saying that is very much likeClinton saying he did not have sex. 
He was a liar..

I think you and I need to discuss Gorean morality soon. And work off the beer gut or start using an avatar like the big M does on yahoo and lose the big words, you are so damn embarrassing until you do.

Be well,
Arturas

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RE: The juncture of submission and companionship - 2/5/2010 2:17:55 PM   
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So in this situation how do you believe Gorean morality applies? I am sure you have read Cheryl's response, where she admits it was a bit frivilous (that is called owning up to something, and is the kind of thing that gains respect), so how does all of this mesh together in a Gorean sense?


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RE: The juncture of submission and companionship - 2/5/2010 7:22:54 PM   
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Hello Arturus,

You seem to be going back on your "promises".........................yet again.

It might also be important to note that it appears you are somewhat challenged with regards to reading comprehension, but I'll get to that in a bit.

In addition, I want you to remember that I offered you fair warning with reference to the intellectual battle you seem intent on waging.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Tal Bull(shit),



Ahhh, name calling; how...............expected of you.

quote:



quote from your post to her: "But to respond to your frivilous question directed at me I'll say," ...

quote to me: : "That being said, and considering the discussions I've had with her on past occasions she knows good and well I wasn't implying what she asked; so even if her question wasn't frivolous or just simply snarky it was little more than a rhetorical mention".
 


As I mentioned, reading comprehension seems to be evading you. I made no retractions at all as to my statement to Cheryl. Though I did leave room for the chance that perhaps I may have misunderstood her intent. But as she confirmed, I did not.

In fact as she mentioned, not only was the question somewhat frivolous, her intention may not have been to ask a question at all; hence her question may have been intended in a rhetorical manner. Imagine that, it appears I just might have been correct on both counts. And while I'd assume the crux of the matter would be transparent enough for most of our readers, it appears you don't maintain the depth of thought required to grasp the content of most of this forum's adult conversations.

So while it’s obvious enough that you're attempting to fabricate some inconsistency where none exists; I'm afraid your efforts are falling short and it is, yet again, you that is looking like the fool.

quote:



That is a strange sentence back to me also. 



I'm fairly certain the only strange thing around here is..................you. But we could take a poll.

quote:



Now you insult everyone here reading this by denying what you clearly did say. 



Are you qualified to speak for “everyone here”? I’m betting not, but again we could take a poll.

What I clearly said seems to be understood by everyone, but you. So your lack of reading comprehension is your own shortcoming, so improve yourself or live with your affliction.

quote:



Saying that is very much likeClinton saying he did not have sex. 
He was a liar..



Are you on any type of medication?

quote:



I think you and I need to discuss Gorean morality soon.



You're lucky I've afforded the amount of attention I have up to this point.

quote:



And work off the beer gut.



Is that supposed to hurt my feelings? I sure hate to disappoint you, but I'm rather comfortable with who I am.

quote:



or start using an avatar like the big M does on yahoo



I have no idea who the big M is.

quote:



and lose the big words, you are so damn embarrassing until you do.



You're desperation to find any discrepancy in my character to advance your agenda is becoming rather pathetic.

In closing I'm going to borrow a quote from a rather brilliant woman I know;

"I wish you adulthood."


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While some people are ruled by emotion, I suspect you'll find that I'm rather obdurate.

"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

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RE: The juncture of submission and companionship - 2/5/2010 8:33:56 PM   
Cherylmazana


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Arturas what you most likely do not realize is that I have been discussing things with Bull here for a very long time, by now he knows most of my writing quirks, often I ask a question not because I don’t know the answer but because I realize that others may not see it in the same way I do because they don’t know his writing style.

I also have a wicked sense of humour so I might even ask a question out of pure devilment knowing what a storm in a teacup it will cause, though on this forum with many non Goreans reading and replying I only made that mistake once with a very controversial question and was shocked at the replies, never realizing how it looked to outsiders.

And it’s because of that storm in a teacup that now when I see something that on a purely Gorean forum would be a reasonable statement and usually taken with a sense of humour but on a mixed BDSM forum is not that I will ask questions designed to clarify.

There are many times that Bull and I have locked horns, and others where we disagree on points of philosophy V lifestyle but on the whole he understands what I am trying to say and I understand him. And I do not believe there is any malice towards each other on either side.

Cheryl

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RE: The juncture of submission and companionship - 2/6/2010 4:37:02 AM   
xBullx


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cherylmazana

And I do not believe there is any malice towards each other on either side.



And that is correct...

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I'm not an asshole; I'm simply resolute...

While some people are ruled by emotion, I suspect you'll find that I'm rather obdurate.

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RE: The juncture of submission and companionship - 2/8/2010 7:20:14 AM   
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Hello Trevelyan,

Thank you for this quote. It is spot on with what I was trying to say.

Best, sunshine


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ORIGINAL: Trevelyan

Guardsman of Gor [Gor Series Book 16]
by John Norman
398

"I thought long after our conversation," he said. "You had
dared to confess your slave needs, and this had shamed you,
and it had scandalized me. But, why, I asked myself. Should
not, rather, one be more ashamed by deceit than the truth?
Can there truly be a greater honor in hypocrisy than in
honesty? It does not seem so. I then realized how bravely
you had trusted me and revealed this to me. My outrage gave
way to gratitude and admiration. Similarly, I asked myself,
why was I scandalized. Was this not connected with hidden
fears of my own, that I might discover complementary needs
within myself, the needs to own and be a master? Your
confession, so expressive and poignant, tended to undermine
a deceit of free persons. You had dared, it seemed, to break
the code of hypocrisy. Had the gate to barbarism been left
ajar? I regretted, for a time, the loss of the lie. We grow fond
of our myths. Yet our myths are like walls of straw. Ultimately
they cannot protect us. Ultimately they must perish in the
flames of truth."
"You would have taken me," she asked, "knowing that I
had slave needs?"
"Your slave needs," he said, "made you a thousand times
more desirable. What man does not want a slave?"
She looked at him, startled.
"It was thus my intention to take you into honorable
companionship," he said, "but, in the privacy of our quarters,
away from the sight of the world, to put you in a collar, and
keep you as a slave, even to the whip."



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