Elisabella
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ORIGINAL: xBullx
No male responses yet?
I do believe we are seeking the Gorean answer here so I'll give it to you as straight as I see it, no whitewashing the idea for bullshits sake.
A woman has the "choice" to "not risk" the removal of her veils. Hense she is held to account by other free, and most often by men.
What social effect (being submissive or what have you) she employs to avoid the removal of these actual or hypothetical garments is up to her, I suspect that is where her freedom begins or ends if a Gorean man interjects his opinion. Or so it goes in the books, our western social perversions of the order of nature not withstanding.
In other words a woman utilizes the tools that her nature provides her with in order to survive. I suspect freedom could be a term of idle speculation in many cases.
Ponder in this for a time and maybe you'll start to see the world through Gorean eyes.
This is actually really interesting, Bull.
Do you think that Western women have a sense of invincibility, perhaps best demonstrated in the woman who goes to a bar, gets trashed and makes flirtatious sexual comments, leaves with a guy, then tells the judge she just wanted to "make out" with him...and she honestly doesn't understand why things turned out the way they did?
Most women I know who have a good head on their shoulders know there are two Western worlds, there's the world that 'should be', which is the world we use when talking about things in public, then there's the world that is, which our mothers might tell us about once or twice growing up, that we tend to only allude to with looks or pointed comments. The fortunate of us learn to navigate both worlds without any damage, but this sense of invincibility, the fact that we have it constantly drilled into our heads "this is what should happen, if it doesn't, you can sue, and it'll all be okay" seems to make many women hardheaded and convinced that if anything bad happens to them, there's NOTHING they could have done differently, and to even hint at that is putting all the blame on the victim.
I remember watching an episode of NCIS where one of the agents, a single woman named Kate, said she slept with a gun under her pillow, and her boss replied "good." It's pretty obvious that even a well trained special agent could very possibly be overpowered by a male intruder, and that the weapon sort of equals the playing field.
Anyway that was definitely an interesting post, I'd rather wait to hear from more Gorean FW to see if they agree that's the core difference because your observation as a man might prioritize things differently from their observations as women about their own lives, but it was great food for thought, and you're right, it does shed a new light on Gorean way of thinking.
Best <3 to you, Natalie, and your little tartlet,
Bella
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