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AlwaysLisa -> We are what we type.... (2/5/2010 3:26:09 PM)

Greetings...

I decided to ask this anew, rather then take a thread into a new direction.

It has been said that living under the Gorean mantle is a celebration of the sexes, each one embracing the inner core of his or her self.    In that regard, does anyone notice a difference in styles and mannerisms in posting online between males and females?   (not including the obvious, such as signatures or honorifics)

Have you ever looked at a post and thought..."hmmm, how utterly male"...or "sounds a bit feminine for a guy".     Is that the gorean mentality which sharpens your radar, or the entire online experience?

In other places, because the line between the sexes is not as clearly defined, it might be more of a challenge to determine if the words were typed by a man or woman.   However, here and other gorean forums, the font just seems to leap off the screen with identity.  

Just wondering if anyone else noticed :)    And if they felt it was the very nature of this forum, (gorean), that caused such clarity, or....if there was another reason.

Lisa
*ponderings on a rainy day



AnimusRex -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/5/2010 3:44:15 PM)

No, because when typing women are not able to dot their "i's with little hearts.



Musicmystery -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/5/2010 4:21:55 PM)

All writers have "voice," Lisa, and yes, one can tell a writer from the voice.



Malkinius -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/5/2010 5:19:23 PM)

Tal Tim....

The proper term is hand, not voice. I say hand as in the old usage about a telegrapher's hand and people being able to identify other telegraphers by how they sent code. Once you pay attention it is not hard to spot someone by how they type, use words, sentence construction and many other small details. Most people in a chat environment can not change their hand enough to fool people who know them well. At least, not for very long. The more they type the faster they get ID'd.

Be well....

Malkinius



Phoenixpower -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/5/2010 5:42:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa
Have you ever looked at a post and thought..."hmmm, how utterly male"...or "sounds a bit feminine for a guy".     Is that the gorean mentality which sharpens your radar, or the entire online experience?

In other places, because the line between the sexes is not as clearly defined, it might be more of a challenge to determine if the words were typed by a man or woman.   However, here and other gorean forums, the font just seems to leap off the screen with identity.  

Just wondering if anyone else noticed :)    And if they felt it was the very nature of this forum, (gorean), that caused such clarity, or....if there was another reason.

Lisa
*ponderings on a rainy day


Greetings AlwaysLisa,

for me it has nothing to do with Gorean but instead to do with how well you observe, pick up and combine.

I did a 4 year qualification back home in Germany working with challenging kids in children's homes...we got trained a lot to observe in details to try to find out at work which kid is ruling whom, what causes behaviour and whatever other aspects of group dynamic is going on. So in general that job made me much more observant and reflective as I used to be.

In regards to typing and words...I tend not to get on well with male aquarians...I surely can be blamed having prejudices about this star sign or whatever, but I think that my grandpa, my dad and my ex all being from that star sign and showing very similar aspects in behaviours I don't like, it somewhat made me sensitive to traits I associate with them...and that even more since funnily two friends of mine developed that same view about that star sign in combination with men.

Not saying that all of them are like that and not taking star signs overly serious....however, sometimes it happens that I do think from postings "this person comes accross to me like being an aquarian."

Of course I can be wrong sometimes and after all the answer would depend on the person given an honest answer when I would ask the person if he would be that star sign...but I did figure out some in the past online and in real life and one person who said he would not be one I am still quite convinced that he is one.

So I do not link it to Gorean, rather on how well you listen, observe and pick up on things.

Best wishes,



jakeskajira -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/6/2010 9:34:56 AM)

I feel that writing, and communication isn't masculine or feminine exactly....

Men and woman (in my opinion) DO think differently though, and that sometimes can be obvious, and it takes people with good skill to learn how to communicate well with others of either gender.

I think it comes down more to how someone is wired. If they are more logical, or more emotional (which I don't think is gender specific.). Neither in my opinion are a bad thing. But if you have the observation skills of how the person reacts/responses/thinks, you can usually get a good feel on how to properly communicate with them and vice versa. I know that I would speak differently to someone who I find is more emotional rather than logical and explain things differently to someone who has logic as their first reaction instead of emotions.

I am not drawn to emotional men though, I much prefer logical, cold men. - emotional men scare me.

I think the way they think and how their brain processes information and how well they can communicate comes through in their writing.  (In my case, I often am incoherent until my first cup of coffee or two before my brain starts functioning well. but thats a slightly different topic....)

I've never thought that someone was masculine or feminine based on their writing. but I have thought people were crazy, or someone I could respect.

Warm wishes,
Jake's emma



Louve00 -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/6/2010 10:29:05 AM)

I tend to agree more with Phoenixpower, but to an extent.  I don't feel (or at least I never paid attention to) Zodiac signs blocking or enabling my ability to communicate or pick up on a person, anymore than I think my not being Gorean disables me from comprehending or alluding to how someone will react or respond to a situation.  But yet, I do feel, thru listening, observing, and watching, I can learn a great deal about the demeanor of a person or how they may respond.  Now granted...often times because I'm not Gorean, I don't get the subtle little nuances of the ways Goreans think, which is why I tend not to get myself involved in those discussions.  But, being an online medium, I don't think Goreans have anymore of an advantage or disadvantage over me for being able to pick up on whether a female or male is posting.  I think thats because online mediums lack tone.  Goreans can be duped into believing things that just aren't true, if the person posting on the other end of the screen wants that person (gorean or not) to believe them.  It depends on how gullible, how much the listening person (Gorean or otherwise) wants to accept as truth or untruth from any given person telling them whatever it is they are telling them.

Now, if a person or persons (a couple, say (and I hate to say it for fear of opening another pandora's box, but...like Arturas and tammy), who have repeatedly shown themselves to have no credibility (and thats credibility in my eyes, as someone else's beliefs may lead them to think differently), then I am likely to doubt...more like discount or ignore whatever it is they say, nor would I even question which one was posting what because they've both proved to me they're...discrepancies...if you will.  Just as in Arturas insulting Bull in his post.  To me, the emotional responses of it made me think it was Tammy posting, but truthfully...who cares? lol 

I have a good life off the internet.  I have a very limited online life.  And usually, I go by the old saying..."If it doesn't seem right, it probably isn't".  Not too much else matters to me...especially if a female posting as a male wants herself to be seen as a male.  Thats just part of the internet bs we all have to be aware of.  [sm=2cents.gif]



windchymes -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/6/2010 10:32:49 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

All writers have "voice," Lisa, and yes, one can tell a writer from the voice.



Oh, this is SO true!



Phoenixpower -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/6/2010 11:19:03 AM)

****Louve00

I am not into paying attention to Zodiac signs in general...in regards to male aquarians I guess it has more to do with being conditioned from the daily influence my grandpa and dad had with being that sign and their similar difficult character they had/have (and nope, they aren't related, grandpa was from my mothers side) and realising as a teenager that my partner at that time had many of the traits as well which I so disliked on grandpa and dad and him having been the same sign as well, simply made me a bit sensitive to pick them up when they occur...I am not believing in it too heavily and i am not saying that all men with that star sign are like that, however no other starsign got so obvious to me when ten years ago a colleague and I did some reading about the signs (more out of fun and curiousity then out of seriousness). I simply am conditioned and biased about that sign and so it amased me in the past when I figured out some people from that sign via talking to them (some online, some offline).






Phoenixpower -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/6/2010 11:21:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: windchymes


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

All writers have "voice," Lisa, and yes, one can tell a writer from the voice.



Oh, this is SO true!


It is true...though it makes me wonder how one regular poster in a different section recently accused me of being a male troll [8|]

Now...I am not that girlygirlish...though, that does not make me to a man either [8|]



Louve00 -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/6/2010 12:08:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

****Louve00

I am not into paying attention to Zodiac signs in general...in regards to male aquarians I guess it has more to do with being conditioned from the daily influence my grandpa and dad had with being that sign and their similar difficult character they had/have (and nope, they aren't related, grandpa was from my mothers side) and realising as a teenager that my partner at that time had many of the traits as well which I so disliked on grandpa and dad and him having been the same sign as well, simply made me a bit sensitive to pick them up when they occur...I am not believing in it too heavily and i am not saying that all men with that star sign are like that, however no other starsign got so obvious to me when ten years ago a colleague and I did some reading about the signs (more out of fun and curiousity then out of seriousness). I simply am conditioned and biased about that sign and so it amased me in the past when I figured out some people from that sign via talking to them (some online, some offline).






Understood and noted!!  Don't get me wrong either.  I wasn't implying anything about astrology either, other than I don't know much about it lol.  I was implying that paying attention to detail and keeping yourself aware of the medium you're dealing in had more to do with determining pretty much anything. 

I hesitate to answer in a Gorean way because I'm not.  But I don't think you have to be Gorean to have an "inkling" something isn't quite right or at the very least....different, out of place, or odd.  Now, if the OP is asking only Goreans if they can determine sex, truth, what-have-you, then thats different and 1) I misunderstood and 2) retract my opinions because they don't apply as the question was limited to only a Gorean's response.  [sm=smile.gif]



Phoenixpower -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/6/2010 12:14:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00
Now, if the OP is asking only Goreans if they can determine sex, truth, what-have-you, then thats different and 1) I misunderstood and 2) retract my opinions because they don't apply as the question was limited to only a Gorean's response.  [sm=smile.gif]


but then also IMO such a "research" would be funtamentally flawed and biased [:D]



Musicmystery -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/6/2010 12:19:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Malkinius

Tal Tim....

The proper term is hand, not voice. I say hand as in the old usage about a telegrapher's hand and people being able to identify other telegraphers by how they sent code. Once you pay attention it is not hard to spot someone by how they type, use words, sentence construction and many other small details. Most people in a chat environment can not change their hand enough to fool people who know them well. At least, not for very long. The more they type the faster they get ID'd.

Be well....

Malkinius



Thanks Malkinius,

I had never heard that telegrapher usage before. I can assure you that among writers, it is indeed "voice," but I'm happy to expand my lexicon to include "hand," and it's certainly an interesting bit of history.

And yes, changing it is much more difficult than people think--among the reasons quality fiction is so difficult to write.

Live well,

Tim



domiguy -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/6/2010 2:57:57 PM)

Tal,

As the Great Earthy Ambassador to Gor I have found that only male Goreans have the ability to type in a way that exudes masculinity.

God Bless Gor and of of Her inhabitants.

Mal,

The Great Earthly Ambassador to Gor Lord Domiguy



Dinnardin -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/6/2010 3:14:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

Tal,

As the Great Earthy Ambassador to Gor I have found that only male Goreans have the ability to type in a way that exudes masculinity.

God Bless Gor and of of Her inhabitants.

Mal,

The Great Earthly Ambassador to Gor Lord Domiguy


which is why you can't?

John, AKA Dinnardin



Musicmystery -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/6/2010 8:03:19 PM)

Wait---I just realized....from Earth! That's who the Big M is.......

[image]http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2008/01/judi-dench-as-m.jpg[/image]

00domi, is she really like she is in the movies?

Can you tell it's her, even when the message is in code?



Naturallurker -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/7/2010 4:11:46 AM)

As  woman who has been addressed as male on this board (and others) more than once, I do find myself wondering what signals clues etc that I obviously must be neglecting to give out here. It would be so easy to say "it must be the reader's fault" but I seriously believe that the fault must lie in my own delivery, voice, writing style. The problem is, that in striving to write cogently, the femininity of my (written) voice gets lost. 

I have heard the term hand in connection with telegraphy but suggest it is less appropriate in this context, given that often it is the words themselves, that appear on the page rather than the stylistic tapping of our physical keyboards.



Musicmystery -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/7/2010 7:16:36 AM)

People not uncommonly hide what they write behind affectations designed to make them "sound" better--read "smarter." This is often not intentional, the product of churning out years of written assignments without interest or to try to game the system. This often continues into professional life. This shows up to extremes at times--we've seen a couple of posters here over the years. More often it's subtle.

But equally true, people read quickly and see what they think they're going to see or what they want to see, no matter what's actually written. Stereotypes and clichés die hard, and we aren't as perceptually sharp as we all like to think--a whole bunch of interesting research shows we readily see what we're predisposed to believe, even when it's not there. In one review of a traffic accident video, a test group and a control group were asked similar questions about a stop sign. The sign was mentioned in the questions for one group, not for the other. One group remembered the sign and commented on it; the other didn't. But there was no stop sign in the video.

In your case, with no picture, I suspect the handle might influence readers, as its connotations are more typically male.

But who knows.

Live well,

Tim



Louve00 -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/7/2010 7:42:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But equally true, people read quickly and see what they think they're going to see or what they want to see, no matter what's actually written.


That is sooo soooo soooo me!!!  I have on many more than one occassions replied to something that had no bearing on what the OP wrote or what was being discussed because I didn't give the words the time to comprehend what I was reading.  I had already set in my mind that I knew what they were going to say.

Needless to say, thats an injustice to everyone involved. 



Phoenixpower -> RE: We are what we type.... (2/7/2010 8:11:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Naturallurker

As  woman who has been addressed as male on this board (and others) more than once, I do find myself wondering what signals clues etc that I obviously must be neglecting to give out here. It would be so easy to say "it must be the reader's fault" but I seriously believe that the fault must lie in my own delivery, voice, writing style. The problem is, that in striving to write cogently, the femininity of my (written) voice gets lost. 


Unfortunately it does not just depend on how you write it also depends on how the other person perceives your message, which is part of the "communicationssquare" as it does not only depent on the message itself or the tone (or writing style)...it also depends on the way another person interprets the message received.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_sides_model



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