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tamedspirit -> Have i the right? (2/8/2010 7:09:52 AM)

Greeting's
i read the Gorean Forum on a regular basis, i used to be a frequent contributer up till about 3 years ago under a different name of course, but now i just dont feel i have the right, The problem is i was owned for 8 years by a Gorean Master but circumstances ended the relationship, i wont go into detail but i begged release, i am no longer owned and have not been since my ex Master and i parted company, i still feel inside me that i am a kajira even though i am now with a vanilla partner so have i the right to call myself Gorean anymore ? and if not do i really have the right to answer a thread as a Gorean kajira?
well wishes.
tamed.



Nephilim -> RE: Have i the right? (2/8/2010 8:22:42 AM)

No one has a right to post to any forum.  The privilege is provided by the forum owners.  In this case, it appears to be an unmoderated open forum, therefore anyone may post.  The only person who has a right to stamp something "Gorean" or say they represent something from the books would be the copyright holder of the books.  So, most of people posting post about self identification with no authority or "right".

What it seems you are looking for is the general approval of the others who post here.  It seems without the details of your situation, it would be difficult to know if you fall within any of our definitions of "kajira", but I am sure that even when provided with those details there would be no consensus. 

Seems to me, all should post and identify how they like.  This will invite criticism and judgment from others, but that seems to popular in online "Gorean" environments.  Each reader of the forum will weight your input with the knowledge they have of your background from what you have provided on your profile and your posts.

So, should you post?  Of course.  Will you be seen as the authority on all things kajira or a shining model of what a slave should be?  It is likely that there will be differing opinions.



Saffleur -> RE: Have i the right? (2/8/2010 8:29:38 AM)

Tal tamedspirit,

Gorean is something you are always, it does not become removed when you are uncollared. So that is a question you must answer for yourself. Then proceed to live the way you choose. In doing so you will also be scrutinized so be aware of such and continue on.

As for your right to answer a thread as slave, again it is something you are always, even the slave who has been freed has an instinct to be what she biologically is. Could your right to post be taken away. Possibly, if you are slave and adhere to protocol sure.

The questions you have asked us cannot be answered by us. It is only within yourself that they can be solved. If you doubt such that you do come asking then some introspection is needed.

I wish you well,
Scott



MasterAramis -> RE: Have i the right? (2/8/2010 8:44:45 AM)

quote:

if not do i really have the right to answer a thread as a Gorean kajira?


At present, I believe you would be considered a Free Woman seeing as you are not owned. While I understand that the slave still burns within you, you are not bound to the same protocols as a slave would be. There are some on here who have lived the life of a kajira and are now free and these women do post to questions regarding slavery even though they are not technically owned, or even care to be.

With that said, I would encourage you to post where you feel appropriate.

Aramis



Nephilim -> RE: Have i the right? (2/8/2010 8:55:23 AM)

>MasterAramis 

In practical terms, self identification is what matters here in the real world but I don't know where there is justification that a slave without an owner is free.  If a slave of the books is freed she is free as long as she is in a place that knows her status.  A woman with a brand and no owner is considered a runaway slave and it is a crime punishable by death for them to pretend to be or dress as free women.  So, if she were "freed" by her owner, and now acts as a free woman, she is free.  If she simply left an owner, she may or may not still be a slave by the books labeling.



MasterAramis -> RE: Have i the right? (2/8/2010 9:27:19 AM)

Nephilim,

The way that I read the OP, she begged for release and it was granted. Although I am making assumptions as she did not clearly state it was granted.

quote:

but i begged release, i am no longer owned and have not been since my ex Master and i parted company


So in my book, she is free and I will treat her as such. Slavery in the strict sense denotes that one is owned. You mentioned "self identification is what matters here in the real world". I am not sure I would agree. Just because she can identity as a slave, she is still self determining, she is still in control of her actions. There is no higher authority over her save her government and whatever spiritual / religious beliefs she may have.

Perhaps your remarks are more suited to the first part of her question:

quote:

i am now with a vanilla partner so have i the right to call myself Gorean anymore ?


Personally, I do not have enough knowledge to speak on that issue as it relates to this. I am still learning so perhaps you could share your insight as to that issue.

So to clarify my post, I feel she has the right to post where ever she likes, but to say that she is currently a Gorean kajira might be considered a stretch. I think it might be better worded as "once a Gorean kajira".



Aramis




starshineowned -> RE: Have i the right? (2/8/2010 9:27:52 AM)

Greetings..

I will take you as you feel you are tamed. You begged release and seems were granted this. By the book, your a FW. In reality, which is what I have come to understand this forum represents..(the reality of what can/can't, is or isn't practical) to live for us.. there are no high bridges here for you to be snafoo'd off of ..nor any Gorean Man that is likely to just up and snag you against will.

This to my understanding is about discovery of who you are, and being just that. I see no other way to really be a happy fulfilled person in this short life we have. I do have to say that issue does cause me to blink often. If a persons going to act like a slave and slut to someone on here that draws that out of them..I'm going to view them as a slave and slut. If they are going to then turn around and play the FW card to all other Free when it suits them..then I only see a player using that fantasy aspect described above in a reality setting that just doesn't fit, and I'll never see a FW, and simply never respond to anything that person would post.

I'm pretty positive this isn't a very popular outlook but none the less it's what I end up with.

starshine



tamedspirit -> RE: Have i the right? (2/8/2010 9:59:56 AM)

I would like to thank Everyone for the replies so far, may i clarify something , i stated in my OP that i still feel like a kajira inside, someone said to me recently you can take a girl from Gor but you cant take Gor out of a girl, as i said i lived as a Gorean slave for 8 years to the same Master and i begged release from His collar, it was granted but He did not Free me to be a Free Woman , i am too submissive to be classed as a FW , and even though my partner is Vanilla He is very Dominant in nature and i am automaticly very submissive to Him,
i guess i was seaking advice as to wether i am still classed by the Gorean society as still being Gorean as it was such a big part of my life and i have some wonderfull memories of being owned by a Gorean Master or perhaps i have something lacking in my life that has drawn me back to wanting to participate once more within the Gorean community. if it's the latter that may be a demon i have to address
Anyway i am rambling now so once again thank you and i welcome any other opinions.
tamed.



MasterAramis -> RE: Have i the right? (2/8/2010 10:27:05 AM)

quote:

it was granted but He did not Free me to be a Free Woman


Thank you for the clarification, I guess I am not sure what it is he freed you as? But the truth of the matter is this, while Free Woman are technically "Free" they can be still very submissive to the right man / men who will draw their slavery out of them as it seems the case with you.

Your question is really whether or not you can you classify yourself as Gorean, in your current state of affairs and whether or not that classification will be accepted by the community. Do I have this right?

Let me preface this to say that I don't have enough first hand knowledge of this as my studies have not really focused on the elements of this topic, however there are many woman here who are in a similar situation as you and do indeed consider themselves Gorean. They post as such and seem to be accepted by the community at large.

The thing that does interest me however is your self awareness of the demon that may be knocking on your door. Sometimes when you open the door to things, you may not be able to close it behind you. Be wary of what you may unleash, especially if this relationship you are currently in is meaningful to you, communication is key.

I am sure others will chime in with their opinions.

Aramis




tamedspirit -> RE: Have i the right? (2/8/2010 10:55:48 AM)

He Free'd me from His collar as His slave Master.. i appologise i should have clarified more specificly
tamed.



Koa -> RE: Have i the right? (2/8/2010 12:24:34 PM)

Whether or not you can call yourself Gorean is an arbitrary argument. Your real question is whether or not others here will except you as Gorean. Again that is not really important, for most Goreans do not care what others think of themselves. To most Goreans, to call one-self Gorean you must identify with and follow the Gorean philosophies. Free or slave, if you can do that, most will view you as Gorean.



Louve00 -> RE: Have i the right? (2/8/2010 6:00:12 PM)

I'm not an authority on it by any means, but if you begged release, and being in a position to seek anything you wanted, you found yourself with a vanilla partner, as you put it.  I think you have some deep soul searching that only you can answer for yourself.



XaviersXian -> RE: Have i the right? (2/9/2010 7:10:43 PM)

Hello everyone,

Hi tamed,

IMO, if you feel you are kajira, then that is how I will see you, unless you assert something different.  I believe that a collar (or lack of one) does not necessarily make a person a slave, or a Free person.  It is all down to whether or not a person exercises self determination, or passes that right to determine for themselves along to another.

As far as the boards go, in my time posting here, I have learned that you (or anyone else, for that matter) have the right to present yourself any way you wish here, as long as you are prepared to stand behind the claims you make by behaving appropriately for your choice.

If you claim to be a slave, then you will be expected to act like one.  If you claim freedom, then you will be expected to act as a free person would.  If you claim a non Gorean label, then you will  be excluded from Gorean standards of behaviour, though will still be expected to be respectful of others' opinions and choices.

I wish you well.



Maahsatti -> RE: Have i the right? (2/9/2010 7:19:00 PM)

Greetings Xian,

Very well said.
Straight and to the point, it really is just that simple.( you would think anyways)..lol

I wish you well,
Maahsatti



XaviersXian -> RE: Have i the right? (2/11/2010 1:54:00 PM)

Hello everyone,

Hi Maahsatti,

Thank you muchly.

I wish you well.



Silentrunner26 -> RE: Have i the right? (2/14/2010 1:37:04 AM)

When Tarl Cabot returned to Earth was he no longer Gor? I lived in the mountains of Arkansas for 3 yrs . That was 12 yrs ago I still smell the dew in the morning and hear the wolfs call to each other on cold winter nights . I feal the mountains call to me . I can not go back but I am still a mountain man . I always will be it is in my mind heart and blood . No matter how long you are gone you can return and start as if you left yesterday .



serenitysdream -> RE: Have i the right? (4/20/2010 8:37:56 PM)

Release and Freedom are different. Beggin release means she wants released form beign his persoal property. to be released from His service. she is still a slave until she gets papers stating she is a Free Woman as granted by a Free Person with authority to do so. if an unowned slave goes around thinking she is Free she could lose her life.. there is a difference between free and Free. free means she is free from her Masters collar. Free means she has been granted Freedom.



Cherylmazana -> RE: Have i the right? (4/21/2010 3:55:21 AM)

Hi Serenitiysdream

More role-play rubbish?

Try to keep a bit of reality in your replies please.

Cheryl



ElizabethAnne -> RE: Have i the right? (4/21/2010 3:58:41 AM)

Hey Cheryl,

Geeesh.....you beat me to it!   I was just getting ready to tell her that, or words to that effect.

Take care,

Elizabeth

ps - See there are times you and I agree on things!  ;)



Cherylmazana -> RE: Have i the right? (4/21/2010 4:03:30 AM)

Hi tamedspirit

My personal belief is that as we don’t live on Gor a woman can only be a Gorean slave if she has a Gorean owner, others beliefs differ.

You don’t wish to be free, you want to be owned and you empathise with slavery not freedom so you cannot be a Gorean free woman either as the dynamics are totally wrong.

What you are is an un-owned wannabe slave who is living with a non Gorean man, a situation that is an oxymoron on Gor but happens a lot here. There are many more women who want slavery (or their own fantasy of slavery) than men who are capable of enslaving them.

Call yourself whatever you like everyone does, but be prepared to take flack if you step out of the “role” you choose for yourself.

Cheryl



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