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Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 8:19:43 AM   
wildnbeautiful


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Status: offline 		my Master says people who TRY to steal anothers collered girl has no honor/respect for others.. what is your thoughts?


i tend to agree with Him...


His nyla


yeah but were not gorean.. i am M/S slave


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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 8:23:05 AM   
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What men do. Not a matter of honor. So, is it honor to stand aside while others take jobs? Is it an honor to commit suicide because someone doesnt like you? Men have to hunt, and women own the trap.

Can't get behind that. If you are out looking to be taken by another, there is a matter of honor there, perhaps.

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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 8:27:40 AM   
ElizabethAnne


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Status: offline 		Hello nyla,

Oh heck, I'm bored today, might as well give you my thoughts.  If a man can "take" a woman from another man, she was never his anyway.   I don't see it as a man having "no" honor;  perhaps not an honorable action, but that depends on the situation.   I don't think you can generalize, any and all.

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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 8:29:09 AM   
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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 8:30:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		it isnt a Matter of anyone taking me i think it was more my focus and then allowing others to tell me what to do.. i let it happen that was a big Mistake on my part and I wont EVER allow it to happen again...my Master sent me a song while I was learning my lessons...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFe6oqtjD_8 and it is truth...

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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 9:10:28 AM   
ishyB


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Status: offline 		Greetings nyla,

If your Master and you are not Gorean, then why was it important for you to post this question on the Gorean board?
How is a Gorean's opinion on this subject more relevant to you then a non-Gorean's opinion?

As for your question, I've always learned that a person's honor can only be defined by themselves and their adherence to their own personal view on morals, ethics, codes and such.

Honorable actions aren't defined in a vacuum, but instead by measuring how well a person "practices what they preach" so to speak.
What is an honorable act for one man may be a dishonorable act for another man.

So from the context you offer here:

- Trying to stealing another man's slave might be dishonorable for a man whose ethical code prescribes to him that stealing is in all cases and absolutes a bad thing.

- NOT trying to steal and other man's slave might be a dishonorable thing for a man whose ethical code prescribes to him that he should never lower the bar for himself and act weaker than he is, just because it makes the playing field more "fair" to those weaker then himself.
If this man is confronted with a slave is pleasing to him and that is obviously lusting after him, craving his attention and dominance, but who is currently owned by a man to weak to keep her as strict as she needs to be kept, then walking away from that situation and leaving the weaker man the slave just because he got to her first might be the dishonorable thing for that man to do.

It's all a matter of perspective.

Other than that, I don't agree with the notion that if a man is able to steal another man's slave that that means she was never his to begin with. To me, it just means that she was no longer his at the time she was stolen. His hold on her was weaker than that of the man that stole her away, but that doesn't imply that in the past, his hold on her might not have been stronger, or that the weaker hold he had wasn't enough to master her until she was confronted with another force that was stronger than his.

Edited to add: I do agree with your Master on the fact that a man who tries to steal another man's slave has no respect for that other man. However, again, whether or not a man feels respect for a particular other man has no bearing on his personal honor, unless respecting or disrespecting the other man is in violation with his own personal codes.

I wish you well,

ishy


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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 9:57:23 AM   
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its just a question is all

im refraining from asking ,commenting anymore on this site people are rude not mentioning anyone here just i think ill refrain from these boards..

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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 9:58:32 AM   
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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:02:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		do you seriously have to comment on everything i say or do are you that concerned or obseessed GET OVER IT CHIKA..and MOVE along thankyou..besides hmm no profile found for you hmm

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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:03:18 AM   
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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:09:02 AM   
AlwaysLisa


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Status: offline 		Whats honor got to do with it? 

Happens in nature all the time..a stronger male attracts a female, the weaker male is left without.

Several others have replied that if you can be "taken" you never were owned in the first place.  Just saying...

Lisa  



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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:12:31 AM   
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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:12:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not a Man so i can't speak to how they see it but the way i see it as a woman, what does honor have to do with it?  As Liz said, if a Man can TAKE another Man's slave then to me it shows how lacking in hold the previous owner had and as Ishy commented the Man probably has no respect for the owner.  But eh, life happens.  He wanted a girl, he saw one he liked, he decided to try and obtain her, and if he did -- he did.  The other Man obviously wasn't strong enough to maintain his property OR he didn't care enough to pay the cost of keeping her via fighting another man so to speak to keep her.  (Says something about a slave's value to him, if a Man isn't willing to maintain his hold on her OR fight another to keep what is his).  In the end SINCE there is no legalities involved, and the ownership only exists based upon the strength of the man's hold on the girl -- is it stealing - really?  Its a Man being incapable of holding or deciding she isn't worth holding as his property.   Perhaps he just determined that she wasn't worth in value what it would cost him to hold her or he wasn't strong enough to keep her.  i know well as do many women, if a Man's hold on her is strong enough, no one is capable of "taking" her from him simply because his hold on her forbids same.  Men may see it differently, but then again their egos would be involved.  But i know most Men, if they don't wish their property to be "taken" they are sure to maintain a hold on said property.

Your last post flabbergasts me, you claim you were a Gorean (i presume a slave), you claim you know Gor and can't take Gor outta the girl, and yet you then whine that Free people aren't responding to you CORRECTLY lol and stomp your foot and claim you aren't responding anymore lol.   Seems your 12 years in Gor didn't teach you much as to where slave's exist within Gor.  Gee your gonna take your ball and go home -- i guess that'll teach Goreans on this forum.

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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:15:53 AM   
sunshinemiss


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Status: offline 		Hello Nyla,

Yes, it's true that I have no profile here. However, I have met over 60 people from this site, so those who wish to reach me can give me a call (or pm me for that matter). I also know that there are people who would hurt me and those I love by using my profile against me. I care enough for those people to keep my profile hidden. I have nothing to hide. I merely don't want to hurt people I care for. You don't like that? meh. I don't care.

Obsessed? Hardly. Just a little bored today, waiting for my next client. It's a slow day on CM, and you are pretty much everywhere spreading your ... stories. However, yes I am concerned. You are absolutely correct about that. I'm concerned that there are people here on CM whom I care for who have read one or two things you've written and will put energy into responding to what is only a smidgen of a story. Also, I am concerned because you are making a mockery of something many people hold very dear. For those reasons, yes I am responding to you. And you know why else? From time to time I enjoy being able to have a debate while having little to no emotional investment. This is one of those times.

Good luck,
sunshine

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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:16:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: wildnbeautiful

my Master says people who TRY to steal anothers collered girl has no honor/respect for others.. what is your thoughts?


i tend to agree with Him...


His nyla


yeah but were not gorean.. i am M/S slave


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I've had to read this thread a couple of times and finally, I'm just asking cuz maybe, somehow, I'm blocking something out and not getting it.  You started the thread out with the above question, then later responded saying....

"it isnt a Matter of anyone taking me i think it was more my focus and then allowing others to tell me what to do.. i let it happen that was a big Mistake on my part and I wont EVER allow it to happen again...my Master sent me a song while I was learning my lessons."

To which person are you referring to as your Master?  Did you leave a man for another man?  If you did, then, are you referring to the man you left as your master...or are you referring to the man you are with now as your master?  Orrr...did you leave your master for another man, regret the decision to leave, then come back and now are calling the original man your master?

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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:18:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		i didnt cause my children anything what im the one who is treted like a criminal for something my husband did that was premeditated and its my fault? its not my fault nor her fault it happened I cant change it but i have learned from it so its still mute..

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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:19:59 AM   
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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:22:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a matter of fact Sunshine, she reminds me of someone who recently posted a (what I call) "damsel in distress" story.

but I don't gossip!! 

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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:25:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: wildnbeautiful

i didnt cause my children anything what im the one who is treted like a criminal for something my husband did that was premeditated and its my fault? its not my fault nor her fault it happened I cant change it but i have learned from it so its still mute..


The word is MOOT, not MUTE. And this is being covered in another thread, no?

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RE: Honor or No Honor? - 2/9/2010 10:46:49 AM   
ElizabethAnne


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Status: offline 		Howdy Folks,

Ok, so I am still bored...but a song comes to mind; I am going to take the liberty of changing the name of it a speck, I doubt Tina will mind...

What's Gor got to do with it?

heh....

Elizabeth

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