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At what point - 2/11/2010 6:15:56 AM

starshineowned

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Greetings..

Master Orion expressed a few things in a couple of posts in other threads here that sort of stuck with me, and prompted some thought as well as discussion with Master.

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If someone knocks my mailbox down with their car, I am going to sue them and have the mailobox replaced, not gut them.

Why is it you think that this man did not stop and try to take responsibility for his actions to begin with, and does making a first response to just "sue" lend hand and lead to a society of men who wouldn't stop and own up?

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Sorry but I pretty much feel that the world may actually be better off if we were a little more clanish, and less of the world organizations in charge of things.

Does taking the first action of "sue" first help to promote that of what we feel would be better, and state we ourselves strive for or hold to a greater importance?

At what point if any do the Free feel it is time to extend what they know to others and take opportunity to teach or influence those they encounter?

Masters first response of action was to try and find a way to communicate directly with the guy, and have him either take a weekend day off and come replace it or at very least give a fair amount of reimbursement for it, and Master would fix it himself. He said who knows..we may even end up becoming friends over it.

This is not directed at Master Orion, and I did click on his name in order to ask if it was okay to use his words here but it stated no profile found, and I apologize to Master Orion if this is not acceptable to him. It is meant to ascertain more of what it is people do or can do that serve best to promote the very changes we would like to see.

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RE: At what point - 2/11/2010 9:16:36 AM

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This is not directed at Master Orion, and I did click on his name in order to ask if it was okay to use his words here but it stated no profile found

Greetings starshine,

I think I am going to have to go back and re-read what you are referring to so that I get everything in context, but yes Orion's profile is turned off but if you would like to get his permission, (a bit late, I know) you can go to one of his posts on the forums here and look just underneath it, you will see a "PM" (Private Message) button. That will allow you to send him an email and he does check them from time to time as I have used this myself to get in touch with him.

Aramis

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RE: At what point - 2/11/2010 9:37:32 AM

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Greetings starshine,

I don't think one necessarily chooses to teach someone, they just do by example. In my case I usually want to help and end up showing something new to the person or an easier method. I do that everyday and get my kudos from my NCOs and fellow soldiers/civilians I interact with. On occasion I decide to actively teach someone just because they are ate the f*** up. I like the way your Master approached the broken mailbox issue. It tested the guy's mettle. If that happened to me, and the guy just downright refused or was disrespectful about it, then I would sue the s*** out of the guy to the extent of the law lol.

M. Alex

p.s. this was a bit more articulate but my browser crashed so I just summarized it. -_-

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RE: At what point - 2/11/2010 10:43:40 AM

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Greetings..

Thank you Master Aramis..now that you pointed that out I recall in past persons referring to that but thought it was a instant message thingy like yahoo, and never thought past that.

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RE: At what point - 2/11/2010 3:37:28 PM

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You guys are going to sue for a broken mailbox?

The cost isn't worth the time to file the papers.

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RE: At what point - 2/11/2010 7:46:45 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Greetings..

Master Orion expressed a few things in a couple of posts in other threads here that sort of stuck with me, and prompted some thought as well as discussion with Master.

quote:

If someone knocks my mailbox down with their car, I am going to sue them and have the mailobox replaced, not gut them.
Why is it you think that this man did not stop and try to take responsibility for his actions to begin with, and does making a first response to just "sue" lend hand and lead to a society of men who wouldn't stop and own up?

Who said the first response would be to just sue? That would actually be the last response. My first response would be to talk to them about it, but the end of conflict resolution in what I mentioned would likely be a law suit. This is working within the laws of the community I am a part of. If the person replaced the mailbox, then no harm and no foul.

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Sorry but I pretty much feel that the world may actually be better off if we were a little more clanish, and less of the world organizations in charge of things.
Does taking the first action of "sue" first help to promote that of what we feel would be better, and state we ourselves strive for or hold to a greater importance?

Have you created a hypothetical situation that the first response would be law suit, or is that your assumption based upon what I wrote?

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At what point if any do the Free feel it is time to extend what they know to others and take opportunity to teach or influence those they encounter?

Cannot speak about others but I do this every day.

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Masters first response of action was to try and find a way to communicate directly with the guy, and have him either take a weekend day off and come replace it or at very least give a fair amount of reimbursement for it, and Master would fix it himself. He said who knows..we may even end up becoming friends over it.

Sounds like a good plan.

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This is not directed at Master Orion, and I did click on his name in order to ask if it was okay to use his words here but it stated no profile found, and I apologize to Master Orion if this is not acceptable to him. It is meant to ascertain more of what it is people do or can do that serve best to promote the very changes we would like to see.

starshine

You have been on these boards for how long and do not know how to mail someone with a hidden profile? Also, while you state it is not directed at me, you use my post quote for quote, so it may not be pointed at just me, but it is directed at me, as I own my words.

It may be a bad mood, tired, or valid, but two posts in a few days calling out something I have posted is kind of irritating, and apologies beforehand do nothing but tell me that you had an idea it may irritate me.

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RE: At what point - 2/11/2010 7:51:09 PM

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Hiya Tim,

The principal to hold someone accountable actually means quite a bit to me, but the suit would be the last step. It is also something I take personally if someone were to damage a part of my home, and not try and at least apologize and talk to me about it.

In this neighborhood I would likely just go over to their house and talk to them about it, and something would be worked out.

Live well,
Orion

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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You guys are going to sue for a broken mailbox?

The cost isn't worth the time to file the papers.

Live well,

Tim the Practical

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RE: At what point - 2/12/2010 12:23:21 AM

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Seems now a day's most people think... sue, sue, sue. To think sue as a last resort would be a good thing. A person might be lucky to knock down my Masters mailbox or destroy my Master's property maliciously and "just get sued". He/she may face a shot gun to his person or get a way vehicle. (Please note, may as in might depending on circumstances)

An accident (non malicious) would most likely be a conversation to resolve. If the conversation didn't "resolve" then perhaps a small claims suit for that which was lost. Perhaps.

My Master has never sued for anything like this or similar, yet that doesn't mean the possibility might not exist in the future.

His initial response would be to resolve the issue and seek compensation. If that didn't work.... it opens the situation for further thought and recourse.

Some people in the world won't do right by either "accident" or "malice" and so one might not know the direction they end up taking on the onset of the issue until later.

People should accept responsibility of their actions whether caused accidentally or maliciously. Always.

Wishing you all most well,
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RE: At what point - 2/12/2010 2:41:23 AM

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quote:

A person might be lucky to knock down my Masters mailbox or destroy my Master's property maliciously and "just get sued". He/she may face a shot gun to his person or get a way vehicle. (Please note, may as in might depending on circumstances)
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People should accept responsibility of their actions whether caused accidentally or maliciously. Always.

Hi Twinkle,

I agree, which is why I wonder why your master would even consider using a shotgun to resolve the issue of a maliciously broken mailbox in ANY situation. Some creep destroying a piece of property that won't make it past small claims court surely isn't worth a few years in jail for shooting him in the knee is it?

I wish you well,
Bella

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RE: At what point - 2/12/2010 5:16:06 AM

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Greetings..

No Master Orion I did not know about the pm thing other than what I stated. I do not peruse this board other than to simply read threads, start a few, and respond to a few. I doubt I've even ventured to actually look at another persons profile at all more than 5 times in the 5yrs I've been here. I also don't have a habit of writing others first..it just isn't something I do.

The initial of sue first was yes my first impression of what you might have done since it is what you expressed but thinking about it for a bit I knew better that this is probably not what you yourself would of first resulted to but it still set that thought pattern in motion as for many today..that is exactly what their first response would have been no questions asked.

The clanish or closer knit communities is not a unique wish or thought unto yourself. I see and hear persons all the time refer to feelings of something like this once was and is now gone..again as I tried to express it did fit into that first mindset of those that would sue first in one situation but yet still still stay back and seek for the latter, and the jest was to try and ascertain if having these differing thoughts and responses to things just were not clicking that in reality they seem contradictory to creating the very thing they seek.

Adding on trying to clarify: Who is it best to teach, and show by personal example: The righteous or the sinner? I see this alot from the religious groups that constantly put down, push off, disassociate with the very segment of society they claim needs them the most yet feel the best way to "help" them is to avoid and shun them, and simply scream from the pulpit of how un God like they are. This way doesn't seem to be yielding the best results, and seems very contradictory to what it is they claim to want or their purpose is.

starshine

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RE: At what point - 2/12/2010 8:35:31 AM

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Seems now a day's most people think... sue, sue, sue.

Greetings twinkle,

Your post reminded me of once when I was in high school and moved to Germany for a while. We had just arrived within about a couple of weeks, and one Saturday we went into the local bakery for a little breakfast. When the girl came with the trays (they served each drink on it's own tray and the pastries separate), she walked away without realizing the tray wasn't fully on the table. It overbalanced and landed on my lap giving me burns that landed me in the hospital for 3 weeks and took me out of school for 4 months. While I was in the bathroom trying to throw wet paper towels on my skin, my mother ran into the kitchen to try to get more help, call the ambulance etc. She found the girl (who was the daughter's owner and not much older than me) crying and her father white as a sheet. They were a small family business and they had gathered we had come from America and they were probably terrified of being sued. She actually spent some time hugging and consoling the girl after she got me squared away. Truth is it was an accident and it could have happened to anyone. My parents never sued. The girl came and visited me every day in hospital bringing me goodies from the bakery (if you're going to have an accident, have it in a bakery !

), so she took some ownership for what happened and tried to do what little she could. And over the three years that we lived there we were always regular customers.

Well wishes,
anna

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