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question from a slave - 3/27/2006 9:35:52 PM   
Naryina


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Status: offline 		As having been collared by a Gorean Master, and living in a poly household, i was a little shocked.  it was my very first time ever being Collared and being introduced basically to the Bdsm lifestyle.  In the beggining things were good.  I understood that Masters 1st girl/wife would always come first in his life.  As his second girl, i would come in 3rd, right after his kids.  But after a few months i often found myself feeling very alone and ignored.  I tried extra hard to please Master, by taking on extra chores, and doing things for him that i wouldnt normally do.  But to no availe.  I felt like i really wasnt there anymore. it was hard to even get him to give me a good morning Kiss, let alone getting to spend alone/play time with him.  is this a normal thing to feel for a 2nd girl in most Poly homes?  Is it normal for most Poly/gorean Masters to ignore their girls?
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RE: question from a slave - 3/27/2006 10:11:32 PM   
MistressDREAD


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quote:

is this a normal thing to feel for a 2nd girl in most Poly homes?  Is it normal for most Poly/gorean Masters to ignore their girls?

NO

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RE: question from a slave - 3/27/2006 10:17:55 PM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: Naryina

As having been collared by a Gorean Master, and living in a poly household, i was a little shocked.  it was my very first time ever being Collared and being introduced basically to the Bdsm lifestyle.  In the beggining things were good.  I understood that Masters 1st girl/wife would always come first in his life.  As his second girl, i would come in 3rd, right after his kids.  But after a few months i often found myself feeling very alone and ignored.  I tried extra hard to please Master, by taking on extra chores, and doing things for him that i wouldnt normally do.  But to no availe.  I felt like i really wasnt there anymore. it was hard to even get him to give me a good morning Kiss, let alone getting to spend alone/play time with him.  is this a normal thing to feel for a 2nd girl in most Poly homes?  Is it normal for most Poly/gorean Masters to ignore their girls?


In a nutshell lass, A Gorean master can treat his property as he wishes. Remember if this is a Gorean Home and he is a Gorean master and not a pretend one, you are owned property… He may be ignoring you to enforce your slavery on your mind or he may be involved with other things..   Now form my personal view, I don’t believe in ignoring any girl in either my House Collar or in my Personal Collar without a reason.. It I do so as punishment or training, you would know either before hand or after the event..  
 have to ask though.. In your profile you are adamant that don’t want to be owned..
  1. So why are you in a Gorean Collar?  
  2. Were you told beforehand what a Gorean Collar means?
  3. Is your Maser a Life Style Gorean or a Role Play one with no concept what it is to live a Gorean Lifestyle? 



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RE: question from a slave - 3/27/2006 10:39:06 PM   
Naryina


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Status: offline 		Im no longer owned by him, because it all became way too much for me to handle.  I wasnt told until after i was collared what a gorean collar would mean.  he was both Rp and RT gorean.

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RE: question from a slave - 3/27/2006 10:49:43 PM   
littlebitgypsy


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Status: offline 		Greetings,

A girl wonders how one is a r/t and r/p? Most gorean men this girl knows either live a gorean lifestyle OR they roleplay. It is difficult she thinks to do both without something being off kilter.

respectfully,

gypsy

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RE: question from a slave - 3/27/2006 11:15:08 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Actually Gipsy, I know several Gorean Lifestylers who also still RP. a couple even RP in the medieval forum as well including the SCA. The secret is to leave the RP where it belongs  On the computer and get back to reality when you are off it.... I did both for a time and the only problem is that there are a minority including oneor two here, pick up on the RP and refuse to accept that you may also be a Gorean Lifestyler too....  All the role players I know inckluding the guys I use to fight in the SCA and several medieval groups have an excelent grip on reality. We role played for fun and entertainment.. But if you feel that by role playing we all must have something off kilter so bve it.. Just figure out who we are here and ignore us.... I know several who identified as Gorean and refused to even come to this forum due to the strong anti RP attitudes from one or two.. They are in the process of building a Gorean Lifetyle site for those of us who currently or have role played inany format , computer or in real life (SCA as an example) Frankly I'm thinking of leaveing here and joining them. Just too old to have to put up with anti RP shit....  

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RE: question from a slave - 3/27/2006 11:29:49 PM   
unownedredhead


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ORIGINAL: IronBear
Actually Gipsy, I know several Gorean Lifestylers who also still RP. a couple even RP in the medieval forum as well including the SCA. The secret is to leave the RP where it belongs  On the computer and get back to reality when you are off it.... I did both for a time and the only problem is that there are a minority including oneor two here, pick up on the RP and refuse to accept that you may also be a Gorean Lifestyler too....  All the role players I know inckluding the guys I use to fight in the SCA and several medieval groups have an excelent grip on reality. We role played for fun and entertainment.. But if you feel that by role playing we all must have something off kilter so bve it.. Just figure out who we are here and ignore us.... I know several who identified as Gorean and refused to even come to this forum due to the strong anti RP attitudes from one or two.. They are in the process of building a Gorean Lifetyle site for those of us who currently or have role played inany format , computer or in real life (SCA as an example) Frankly I'm thinking of leaveing here and joining them. Just too old to have to put up with anti RP shit....  


Master Ironbear, I have never role played and would not even know how to go about finding and joining a roleplaying site.  I have made negative comments because I did not know any better.  Does the prejudice work both ways?  or would they let me join so I could find out what it is all about? 

sheeepishly,

dina

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RE: question from a slave - 3/27/2006 11:52:21 PM   
IronBear


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From: Beenleigh, Qld, Australia
Status: offline 		If they get it running hun I will personally invite you to join and learn from the great RPers..... RP can be in any format such as DOOM, my favourite at the moment is Dune 2000, I love Sword & Sorcery Games. They are my relaxing time when I can forget pain and life's problems and just be a kid again and relax..  

Even if I take a sabatical from the forums, I'll stil have my profile in CM so you can always contact me direcr ot via Neets.


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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 2:27:58 AM   
unownedredhead


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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear
If they get it running hun I will personally invite you to join and learn from the great RPers..... RP can be in any format such as DOOM, my favourite at the moment is Dune 2000, I love Sword & Sorcery Games. They are my relaxing time when I can forget pain and life's problems and just be a kid again and relax..  
Even if I take a sabatical from the forums, I'll stil have my profile in CM so you can always contact me direcr ot via Neets.


Thank you Master IronBear,

Grin, I would love to to learn from you and the great Rpers.  Did Lady Neets tell you that she invited me to your home for her next birthday party?  smile, I am going to do my best to get holliday time and save up my airfare.  I always did want to see Australia and I would be honored to meet both of you in person.  How big is a stupid duck pond anyway???? 

Respectfully yours,

dina

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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 3:39:43 AM   
runawaykajira


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Status: offline 		Dear sister in bondage
to be honest it is natural to feel that at time even if you are number one girl.  My first suggestion is talking to him about. letting him know how you are feeling, also you might try begging for your release, letting him know how lonley and empty you are feeling right now.
hope this helps, for i am going though the same thing with mind and i am first slave, only because his wife is not in the life.
take care and be safe
runaway kajira

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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 4:03:14 AM   
IronBear


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From: Beenleigh, Qld, Australia
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quote:

ORIGINAL: unownedredhead

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear
If they get it running hun I will personally invite you to join and learn from the great RPers..... RP can be in any format such as DOOM, my favourite at the moment is Dune 2000, I love Sword & Sorcery Games. They are my relaxing time when I can forget pain and life's problems and just be a kid again and relax..  
Even if I take a sabatical from the forums, I'll stil have my profile in CM so you can always contact me direcr ot via Neets.


Thank you Master IronBear,

Grin, I would love to to learn from you and the great Rpers.  Did Lady Neets tell you that she invited me to your home for her next birthday party?  smile, I am going to do my best to get holliday time and save up my airfare.  I always did want to see Australia and I would be honored to meet both of you in person.  How big is a stupid duck pond anyway???? 

Respectfully yours,

dina


dina, you would be more than welcome here.. I have visions of you and Neets off on a shopping trip whilst I drank coffee at an outside cafe with Sasha on a leash laying down or talking to all the people who want to pat her. Sasha is our malamute (BTW). Ermmm size of duck pond  hmmm  bloody huge >>>>> Pacific Ocean ....  <grins> At least you will enjoy warm conditions and Aussie BBQs..


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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 4:55:30 AM   
MrDiscipline44


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Status: offline 		I agree with IB on both counts. A Master can and will treat his property as he wishes. Even if it's to ignore it. But personally, I would give mine attention as best I could in what ways I can, so that it would better serve me. The day that I'm not giving my girls any attention at all is the day I'm working too much. A travesty that will be amended as soon as it's pointed out. After all, if I'm working too much, that means the slave isn't working hard enough.

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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 5:01:00 AM   
litaTshai


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Status: offline 		greetings,

i too do both rp and r/t Gor.  Master Iron bear can tell you of my Mistress! *chuckle!*

and please, Master Iron Bear, let me know when that site goes up?

respectfully,

lita {Tshai}

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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 5:02:10 AM   
litaTshai


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Status: offline 		p.s.  i also do the SCA thing when i can

respectfully,

lita {Tshai}

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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 5:03:54 AM   
Yedi


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Status: offline 		IB has my vote on both accounts as well... as is normal....

Yes you can treat your property how you wish

However why would you want to ignore it... unless it was a punishment

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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 5:41:19 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		It sounds like you got into something without completely understanding, looking into, talking, and communicating what exactly you were getting into.  Though you thought you did in the beginning.  Which is fine, its a lesson learned. 

My advice is do not dissect the relationship in an open forum, simply because only you can reflect on the relationship because only you and him know what happened. You will find people here who will sympathize, who will psychoanalyze based on basically no information lol, will tell you you were wrong, will tell you he was a jerk, she was a witch etc etc etc.  But there are a lot of perhaps, and basically you can't expect people who weren't there to tell you why he did what he did and judge him because of how you feel, and to tell you if what he did was normal.  Its not fair to you, its not fair to him, and its not fair to the effort that was put into the relationship.  Strangers can only comment on what is described but the problem is, they then fill in the blanks themselves which is what starts rumors, starts slams and flames against people.  . 

What is real is your feelings, your perspective of the relationship, etc.  Use that to delve deeper into what your slavery means to you, where you go from here, and how to approach your slavery in the future.  Use the forum to garner advice on how to move on, how to adjust your outlook, your identifying, your understanding of slave, but do not ask a public forum to judge your relationship based on pretty much no information.  It will not help as your relationship is over and only two/three people can judge that relationship and that was the people involved.

How do your feelings now reflect on your slavery outlook?  What are you looking for in a relationship and why?  What are your expectations etc? 

angel



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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 6:40:50 AM   
littlebitgypsy


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Status: offline 		Greetings Master IronBear,

A girl was thinking more on role playing gor she supposes. It is not that she is totally against role play but more that she has seen so many role players who have never even read a gorean book. In a 3D chat realm Second Life there are many role playing cities where FW and panthers are "captured", slaved, branded and escape on an hourly basis. It has made the girl a bit tainted about gorean role play cities.  It would be next to impossible to be in any online community and not have an element of roleplay but isnt there a line?

respectfully,

gypsy

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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 6:43:31 AM   
littlebitgypsy


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Status: offline 		PS. How many times can one person role play being a virgin? *giggles softly and considers that herself*

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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 8:20:01 AM   
Nosathro


Posts: 1483
Joined: 9/25/2005
From: Orange County, California
Status: offline 		Tal and greetings
 
Personally I perfer a owning one slave, meaning one in my personal collar and brand.  I have trained slaved, more than one at a time, but that was strictly training.  Yes as a Gorean but I do not  neglict a slave..she like anything else, ignore it for a time and something goes wrong.  I also r/p EverQuest and other games as well as SCA and Adrian Empire, that way I get my excerise.
 
I wish you well
 
Nosathro
 

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RE: question from a slave - 3/28/2006 9:18:29 AM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: littlebitgypsy

Greetings Master IronBear,

A girl was thinking more on role playing gor she supposes. It is not that she is totally against role play but more that she has seen so many role players who have never even read a gorean book. In a 3D chat realm Second Life there are many role playing cities where FW and panthers are "captured", slaved, branded and escape on an hourly basis. It has made the girl a bit tainted about gorean role play cities.  It would be next to impossible to be in any online community and not have an element of roleplay but isnt there a line?

respectfully,

gypsy


I can understand this lass. One of the reasons why so many really good people left MSN Gor and most were also Gorean Lifestylers, were due to the influx of testosteroine ladened guys fresh fron high school and who had never seen a Gor Book and didn't want to.. I quit after we moved to GCN and later Voodoo.. There is a temptation to carry somethingaccross. I do it still in the automatic use of the word trik for girl.. and my love of the kassar language, both od which were never in the books.. I do as you have proably seen use some of the Red savage for personal reasons though but I have been critisiased evenfor that. heh.. I get the same usage back regularly from a couple of my Peers who are more inclined to use it daily seeing they are Sioux.. However if you look at the role play world generally it is suprising how many terms people use have come from RP games or movies. I have friends who will without thinking still farewell you with "Be Well and prosper"  or at end a debate some will comment "There can only be one" The point is, people are influenced by what they do. I always say "I wish you well" or "Be well". I was talking tonight on a Pagan IM I use toa lovely lady who always says "BeWell" when she closes her posts. I asked her why she said that and she commented that she heard me saying it and it sounded cool so she copied it. Now she is anti BDSM and Gor so she was horrified when I tiold herit was a classic Gorean Expression..


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